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If this thread gets locked does Arch get -5 points? Arch, thanks for all you guys/girls do to keep this forum in the upright and locked position despite others efforts to tip it over.

Just saw this happen... OP Luis posts a run of The Sixth Gun for sale, read the thread here. after 5 pages of back and forth complete with discussion of fair value, recent ebay sales and such this gem gets posted: WOW. Taking selling in someone elses thread to a whole new level. Summary: OP: Im seeling Books A-Z for $1000 5 pages later... 2nd guy: Im seling Books A-Z for $1000 later this week others are complaining about the OP pulling the books after a period of time, and arguing about what the books are "worth" on the market... the OP hasnt put a stop to the crazy talk, but good lord its (as my daughter would say) a debacle.

Gotta check my list but this might be the last Gothic Lady in White for my collection!

As insane as some modern series are, this surprises me not at all. "Oh, Snap, Comic X is going uuuuuuuuppppppp - better boost that ask!" Also wonder if there is some behind the scenes PMing from others with the same book saying "dude if you sell it for that the market will drop to that level, so up your price"

So is it kosher for a seller to raise prices (unmarked) in their sales thread before a sale is made? Just curious (not me or my sale, just watched it happen in a different listing) Im a big proponent of a seller gets to ask what a seller wants, but changing the price after listing seems a little dodgy to me. (granted no one hit the BIN yet, so its a moot point cause it doesnt affect a transaction... but still seemed a bit uncouth)

Selling a bunch of Shelf Porn: Hardcovers Omnibus Collected Editions Complete Runs all sorts of fun stuff http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6590346#Post6590346 will start doing freebies and specials tomorrow maybe to try and entice you guys!

Yeah to me the Probation List and the HOS are no different (as far as how I use them). I avoid both lists when considering dealings. The other benefit is that it gives a seller an easy out if a PL/HOSer posts a "take it" then they have the complete freedom to say NO and keep the book available immediately.

Sweet! (And excited cause that means my ECC books cant be far off!)

Wow just went back to the Sales thread that Larry krapped on (Guardians of the Galaxy Phantom variant presale) and its now clean as the driven snow. No threats, no nothing..... just the OP and one sale listing. wonder who coerced that clean sweep.... I certainly hope a strike was handed out (to Larry for crapping in a thread where a seller was selling the same book as him but at a lower price), but my pessimism doubts it happened.

There must have been some threadkrapping bug spread by CAL's reverse auction... now we've got an OP getting krapped on for pre-selling a Phantom variant of the Guardians of the Galaxy book, and getting krapped on by none other than LarrysComics... who is one of the Phantom distributors/retailers... who is also selling the same book on his website right now for more than the OP is selling their copies... While the topic of whether what the OP is doing is "redistribution" or not (since apparently the Phantoms cant be "redistributed"), and the topic of pre-selling books is always a mix (some are fine with it, some are not), the fact that someone who is selling the same book (on their website at a higher price) is krapping on another OP seems pretty low. What am I missing here that justifies Larry's position on this? See the action here: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6542250#Post6542250

was hoping that one thread could be here in the discussion section, vs in an actual sales thread....

wondering if someone could be nominated to the PL for citing non-verifiable, or non-accurate sales information (GPA or otherwise)... it's not against the rules, so it must be ok to make up sales info yes?

In general, I'm not a fan of the whole signature series idea, but books like this are EXACTLY the kind I would want to get signed. That Infantino sig turns this copy from a nice little reprint into something special, and doesn't do any damage to a lovely vintage book. Very cool! That was my goal too, I just wish there were more nice vintage reprint covers (not the Milestone ones, ones that REALLY look like the original).

I'd say use the "Notify mods" button and state your case, then let the mods decide if they want to poof the thread/contact the OP or what. Most people here play by the spirit of the rules, some play by the letter of the rules... but where its up to interpretation, just report it to the mods and move on.

Part of my new goal of having SS from all of the living legends. First goal: Mr Infantino on a replica of Flash Annual #1 (bought this sight unseen off eBay and had the seller ship it right to the signing sight-unseen, so Im happy it got a 9.6)

From the recent Desert Wind Legends event. Happy with my 9.6, considering I had to move fast, buy direct from eBay and then have the seller ship to DWC directly... could have been much worse. I'm still hesitant to have real SA books get signed, so this Flash Annual #1 Replica was a nice middle ground. Also it looks like Carmine is just doing his last name now for sigs?

alas, information updates (which I think would include price changes) aren't considered bumps.

CAL finding loopholes So the rule he's closest to kind of breaking is: "Threads may be bumped three times total AND only ONE FULL DAY AFTER falling off of the front page. This does not include "sold" notices, or truly useful informational updates. Note: we CAN tell the difference between a real update and a fake bump-update. Tread that line at your own risk. If you're spam bumping, "lawyering" the rules will not save you." TECHNICALLY he's compliant. CAL is changing the price of a book, so that's not considered a "bump" (it would be considered a useful information update).... the mods will have to decide whether to address it or not, since they are the ones who make the call. If it was a book with a price that was closer to the market, and he was "bumping" the listing by dropping the price every day, would it still be a problem? Another parallel would be if I listed a book closer to GPA, but was constantly bumping my thread by dropping the book price by $1 each time. but its a slippery slope since part of the loophole has to do with pricing the book so out of scope with the market, since everyone agrees the buyer gets to decide what price to list their books at... its the use of a reverse auction as a bumping tool that needs some sort of rule around it.

jrob well said and welcome. I agree the 24 limit (if thats the sellers term) is tough. But if a seller is hot to sell, I'd expect to see an instant PM/Invoice following a in a thread, and if you were on to post the then doing the paypal should be easy enough since you're already online...

I've seen people include that sales are at their discretion (in other words the seller can decide not to sell it to a potential buyer). You could be general like that. Or you could be specific that anyone with fewer than X number of posts must communicate an via PMs with references provided (ebay, other sales sites), and that you have the right to reject a purchase offer from a new user, and leave a book on the market. Have people done this before? (your scenario of an just to get a competing book off the market that never gets consumated cause its a shill account while the "real" user sells the same book to a real buyer while yours sits off the market. I would hope...

Yes I agree too, 3 days is a really tight time frame, and a bit ridiculous to expect all to be able to accomplish since this is (for some) just a part time hobby, and as we all know many of us (though not all) have lives outside of comics/comic forums. I agree the reasonable middle ground is that the seller can relist a book once his term date has passed and fear not the probation list, but does that also free the original buyer from any possible PL nomination? And does merely relisting it cancel the prior obligation, or would it require the book to actually sell? [i would assume relisting, since that is more cut and dried]

I take one day off... and look at the Probation thread! Such entertainment to get thru... The original question from @nocutename was "How long do we currently have to wait for payment?" The terms of the purchase did not specify timing at the time of purchase (either in the PMs or in the sale thread). There are no default timelines for transactions to be completed. Nothing is stated in the Usage Guidelines . Where there is a timing component listed is in the Probation Rules. So essentially a transaction can take any amount of time, but after 30 days the seller can nominate for PL if there's been no payment, and similarly the buyer can PL nominate if the deal hits 30 days without the books being shipped (granted the interpretation of "completed" can go a few different ways between book shipped, book received, etc, but I like to use shipped since that's the last thing that the seller has under his/her full control). So again back to @nocutename's original question "How long do we currently have to wait for payment?" In function, the seller technically has up to 30 days to pay you before they could be nominated for PL (yes in reality that means if s/he takes the full 30 to pay, there's no way for the transaction to be completed in 30 days, but that's about the only way to read the rule without dipping into the huge variable of shipping time/USPS problems etc). To the bigger question of can sellers dictate non 30 day payment requirements. The answer has to be yes. In function there have been plenty of sales with more prescriptive requirements than the forum dictates. Whether that's Paypal fees, shipping dictum (priory boxed only), or payment timings. There have been numerous "I need some cash fast to pay for a book/pay for bills, payment needed in 3 days", and if you commit to a purchase in that thread, you are buying based on those rules, and should be held to them. As people have pointed out, this is a part time hobby to many, so they may state a purchase intent, and not be back to the boards for days (or the following weekend), thus violating the specific sales thread purchase agreement. But if they were so gung-ho to buy, shouldn't they be ready to pay, same time? Its tough, I see both sides, but I think the sellers have a right to set the terms of their sales (at the time of posting, and in the same public way as they are posting the sale itself), and the buyer gets to decide if s/he wants to purchase in a thread and abide by those rules. The question then is, if we were to amend the Probation rule with the language about transactions having 30 days to complete "unless otherwise stated in the specific sales thread requirements" does that mean that for the "3 day payment" threads the buyer could immediately be nominated at the end of the 3 days? I would venture to say yes. Again back to the OPs case, since those terms were not specified in the thread the buyer has the standard 30 day window.

Maybe a little, but the responses you are getting is making it a worse problem than just selling a book on ebay and here. Also its a bit of an unusual case considering there were competing completed deals (in essence). 99% of the time when someone lists a book here that's on ebay they de-list it on ebay and the problem becomes moot.

Like have a boardie purchase a book from another ebayer, seems he sold his copy on ebay, while listing it here too? come on, you seriously think I meant to apply that statement to everything? In context surely you understand that I meant that Weekend has the right to set his sale rules (ie a minimum purchase amount) Listing a book that was also on ebay is a big no-no of course. Making it right in a very round about way is also a mess, and not the way to do things.(We buy here so we can AVOID ebay!) He should have cancelled the ebay sale, or said the one book was no longer available, and sold it as intended her on the boards.

Dont worry you are just the flavor of the moment, the Probation Thread will long outlive your botched transaction. Side point, and Weekend gets to do what he wants, but has anyone else seen a "minimum" requirement in sales threads here? Cause I dont remember seeing any, and that includes some peoples $1/book threads.... Again, Weekend gets to do what he wants, its his thread... I just think most buyers here arent thinking "minimums" when they start buying (and there's nothing saying he wasnt going to buy more.... and was waiting to see what else was offered in the thread)