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This is obviously an added feature to give the cover a dynamic rainbow shift to really pop GH's head! I am just amazed that the CGC heads really sit back, look at this and say..."yeah, this is an example of our crystal clear optics that should be shown to everyone". Also CGC:

CGC is likely going to try and charge you in the hundreds of dollars each to "clean" the back cover and you are not even close to being guaranteed they will do a good job or receive a favorable grade.

These books will not be eligible for the signature series label as they were not witnessed by a CGC representative (you will need a facilitator to pick them up). If you want them graded by CGC if you pick them up they will either get a green label for non-witnessed drawings or a blue label with a significant grade hit. If you want them graded and the sketch/signature recognized you will need to go with the "other" company. Having CGC clean them with an eraser for you may not be cost effective but that is a value decision you will need to make. Edit for clarity as I thought they were already picked up.

This is correct, it is page #19.

TLDR: CGC has become the defacto authority on recognizing Pedigrees; unfortunately, they have also been poor stewards of that responsibility. Bias: I own 500+ “modern” comic books from the Savannah Pedigree and another 50+ from the Twin Cities, Fantucchio, and a couple Pedigrees not CGC recognized that are considered “modern”. Also, for reference, this is a post I made almost ten years ago about hoping to get my X-Men run recognized. Since its inception in 2000 CGC has been a driving force in the comic book world and outside of the recent (and very), blatant money focused variety of encapsulation shenanigans they have been an overall positive influence, with the major exception being that of a refusal to acknowledge all of the books in pedigrees. This single action has had devastating results and harmed an entire generation of collectors for no other reason than ideological gatekeeping by boomers who refuse to come to terms with the circumstance that time itself drives forward despite their best efforts to prevent it. Prior to CGC, collectors of Pedigrees have always had the same gatekeeping conversations…in the 60’s and 70’s many believed only books from the golden age should be acknowledged since Marvel books from the 60’s are not really keys. In the 80’s and 90’s Silver age finally gained wide acceptance with few detractors left to man the purity gates. Obviously in the 2010’s only mid-bronze was begrudgingly viewed as acceptable (a decision solely enforced by CGC), but never “moderns”… NEVER! WE MUST MAINTAIN THE DIGNITATY AND PURENESS OF COMICDOM, SHUN THE NEWBIES AND THE BOOKS THEY GREW UP WITH, SHUN THEM! AFTER ALL, 1973 WAS JUST FIVE YEARS AGO (circa; 2010s cigar smoking mustache twirling CGC suits). In 2011, the Savannah Pedigree was acknowledged and CGC immediately set precedent that any post 1985 book would not be included. No official statement was ever given as to why, but when I asked at the booths during multiple conventions, I was told that: “Comic books printed during the modern time frame are just too new to be considered part of any pedigree, in some cases millions of copies were produced, and due to direct marketing most of these examples were never purchased from a newsstand. These factors do not fall In line with what a pedigree should represent” -This is from memory of multiple conversations had 10+ years ago This was also partially acknowledged in a 2012 forum post from ASK CGC: The original thread this was pulled from can be found here: https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/247790-pedigree-noted-on-moderns The Savannah Pedigree encompassed over 40 thousand books and large portions of them were from 1986-2010. These modern examples where from both the newsstand and direct editions with many deep runs having multiple copies. Due to the size of this collection HA did not issue the large format COA for every book and stopped attempting to encapsulate moderns after the first batch did not receive the designation. I know of many examples were the HA receipt/COA was lost and entire runs of modern Savannah books could no longer be authenticated (the entire run of Nomad, last half of Namor, most of Silver Surfer, and some New Warriors and Quasar, all low value direct editions from the 90s). I am hopeful that these could still appear on the market someday with their authentication. This mindset would also continue to destroy the moderns in the Twin Cities Pedigree sold by HA; but slightly change for the Fantucchio Pedigree. In the thread referenced above an updated post in 2017 provided proof that what was then viewed as “keys” were allowed to be slabbed under the pedigree designation. The example presented was Batman TAS #12. Unfortunately what is viewed as a “key” changes with popularity and the New X-Men #133 (1st app of Dust; a now $350 book) from Fantucchio was not encapsulated and lost during a raw bundle sale (I was out bid on this lot). So why bring up this meandering rant now? I never liked the look of pedigree labels (mainly colors) and was trying to break the online submission form to allow a custom label and select the pedigree option at the same time. To do this I was using a run of bronze X-Men when I found out I could now select the pedigree option for all Modern books (previous I could not do this). I created a thread about my shenanigans trying to get some clarity in ASK CGC here: https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/517290-pedigree-designation While some specific questions were answered, ala the X-Men #1 (1991) could receive a pedigree designation they were purposefully vague when I asked about all moderns. After some deliberation, I decided to bite the bullet and make a very selected submission of books drawing only from newsstand versions with the HA large COA from the Savannah Pedigree. If this is successful then I will make another submission of direct edition books with the HA receipt or COA, Comiclink receipt (for Fantucchio), HA receipt or COA for Twin Cities, and finally various already encapsulated books from 2011 to today (many custom label books I had reslabbed) with the Savannah HA COA. My overall hope is twofold: That this will shine a brighter light on modern books that were part of pedigrees but denied the designation by CGC therefore giving collectors that grew up with these books a chance to own something that might have been out of reach from their favorite titles. These books will be preserved as part of their rightful pedigree and not lost to time as so many have already. So what is the downside? I was lucky enough to receive a copy of books (that I had asked about) in the Savannah Pedigree and my fear is this: CGC will still only recognize what they deem as “keys” regardless of newsstand/direct edition. CGC will only recognize modern newsstand copies CGC will only recognize direct edition copies if they are “keys” CGC doesn’t have an actual stance and the grader that day will make a very subjective judgement based on their personal feelings of what they believe should be “allowed” in a pedigree. Using X-Men (1991) as an example, there are multiple copies of each book until #24, and then it is sporadic until all single copies at #52 going forward. There are both newsstand copies and direct edition copies up until at least #16 (that is the last newsstand copy I have); #30 has two copies listed and one of them is a newsstand as it was encapsulated then auctioned on ebay in 2011 with a COA. Ghost Rider (1990) has the same pattern though thins out much sooner to single copies. Darkhawk is an outlier as it has only direct edition copies of every issue except two additional newsstand copies for issues #13 and #14 (I own these). Sleepwalker only has direct editions even though it is from the same time period. Multiple books post 1993 have two copies of issue #1, an example of this is Ghost Rider 2099 (1994) which has a second copy of #1 that is a newsstand, with the entire run in direct editions. I have been told there is a large cache of DC newsstands from the early 2000s when Harley Quinn received her own series but I have never seen them in person. I believe outside of increasingly rare second copies of first issues, most of the newsstand copies stopped being collected in mid-1994, as the GR in question is the last newsstand that I have actually seen with a HA COA. In the interest of full transparency, I have submitted 13 books that have been cleaned and pressed, have the full HA COA, and are newsstand editions, which have the best chance of receiving a 9.8. These are all Marvel and from 1991-1992 (my next submission will be more DC focused if these all get the label). X-Men (1991) #1 X-Men (1991) #2 X-Men (1991) #3 X-Men (1991) #4 X-Men (1991) #5 X-Men (1991) #6 X-Men (1991) #7 X-Men (1991) #8 X-Men (1991) #9 X-Men (1991) #10 X-Men (1991) #11 Darkhawk #13 Ghost Rider #15

Received: 5/22 Now to make my thread in comics general about pedigree's...

Outside of the rare occurrences (pictured above) CGC will note on the label if a comic is a facsimile, reprint, second print, and so forth. This is one aspect of the company that can be trusted combined with personal understanding of what you may purchase (in case of a miss label). welcome to the forums.

This one is Lady Mechanika by Alex Konat

Controversy of modern shenanigans not withstanding CGC is actually very good at identifying and labeling facsimile/reprint books and can generally be trusted to supply such information.

I would recommend specific comic boxes (high sides with lids) which can be bought cheaply off amazon. Storing in low sided boxes can result in damage to the top of books as you walk through to room at night, carrying something and misjudge distance, spilling/dropping something. Obviously many of us have stored books just like you are (and some still do). This is fine for now, but once you start picking up more expensive books I would recommend at least a short box.

Do you have a picture of the books, Cert#, or title (there are a lot of spider-man books). You said you purchased a "1st edition", then say you purchased a facsimile... Is this ultimate fallout #4?

Modern Slow Shipped: 5/5 Delivered : 5/9 Received: I am expecting delays due to additional content that might need to be validated; I expect them in the system by 5/22.

My longest slabbed run is my X-Men (1991) Registry set: X-Men V2 Set My longest raw runs are: X-Factor 1-149 Sgt Fury 2-130ish (never picked up the first issue, now it's a bit to pricey) A bunch of 1-50ish runs of a lot of 90's books.

If you guys are Jack Jadson experts I could use a hand. I have the following page (will update a better picture tonight): This was purchased in 2005, it is on the back of Marvel art board and was titled as being from the Might Thor (it is not). I can say it is not from the following books: Vampire Girls: California (1996) The Experimentals (1997) Lady Death/Bedlam (2002) Jungle Fantasy (2003) Lethal Instinct (2005)

Effective May 16, 2023, CGC has updated its Mechanical Errors policy for clarity and consistency. The uncontrolled QC issues have reached such a breaking point to our bottom line that CGC will now blame and charge the customer for our own wanton mistakes. For clarity and consistency going forward any "mistake" will now be considered necessary and the standard of product production. seriously stop trying to blame us for not doing what we claim to, it really makes us look bad.

I think a better response from them is that they do not keep an active customer searchable register of what has been annotated on signature series books. This is quite close to something I asked about 15 years ago when I was curious about finding the serial numbers of books on the census to find which copy was graded first. CGC has and can pull up this information but chooses not to share it on the client side as it does not hold enough value for them to implement. On the other hand they might not be able to implement this type of search feature due to just how old the framework of their database is. As it has aged it has become less and less intuitive functionally and they do not seem interested in upgrading its infrastructure in any customer beneficial way. As more and more pictures of books are added can you imagine the following: Census Data Base: Search: X-Men #1 1963 9.8 Result: X-Men 1963 (Parent directory) X-Men #1 9.8 (2) (result) Select the number in parentheses and you are directed to the following serial numbers: 0631963001 0000000000 (i don't have the # for the second one) You can then click on the serial number and go right to the certification look up with all the books information. A nice clean searchable data base would be great and something no other potential competitor currently has, though beckett has feelers out currently (survey's) to select customers asking about more integrated (searchable) data base options for all of their products.

Thanks, I've been looking at that one and another one in the archives trying to get spacing and templates correct (generally just cutting a pasting to mash things together).

a very important point also is that you cannot have a custom label on a pedigree! It is one or the other and if you remove the pedigree designation you need to make sure you still have the HA COA documenting it as such or it will be not be able to get it back in the future. Edit: You can submit this for any SS signing like the Claremont that just happened and it will get the yellow label and keep the pedigree. Overall I am generally against SS Pedigree's and do not see much of a value bump over regular SS. The collectors of these two are vastly different, but if I was going to get a pedigree signed Savannah would probably be the one, lol.

Finally got all the pictures and descriptions loaded for my X-Men (1991) Jim Lee set still trying to figure out the myspace era html for a cool set intro/description.

"The" CGC only grade books, they do not sell them as a business. You would need to contact a consignment/auction house to sell these for you. I would recommend the following based on what you have: Comiclink.com Mycomicshop.com Both have commissions less than ebay and are easy to work with.

A non-key issue of a modern comic isn't intrinsically valuable outside of a 9.8. Did you base your pricing off of ebay sold listings or just what was listed with BIN? In any case, we would need to know what issues and potential grades to know "value" but I don't see much change on GPA over the last twelve months some of the titles you posted.

Directly across from Nicole Kidman's head on the spine looks to be two color breaking ticks, there could be another one lower (or lint).

I missed out on this Incredible Hercules #122 page by a couple months; Clayton Henrey was going around conventions with stacks of his OA from this series and Spider-girl. When he came to St. Louis this was the first page I asked about and he sold it for $75 at the start of the con season without knowing how much of a meme it had become at the time

Not only comics but on original art as well! I have received a number of pages with art on the reverse, signatures, color or shading notes. I never understood why they would not add this information.

I like to guess just how terrible I did by the emoji Mike uses...