Jaydogrules

You have the budget wrong on shang-chi , it was actually 175MM, not 150MM, and once you factor in global P&A you're close to 300MM all in. Not on any planet is 432MM "clearly profitable" with those numbers. All three of those movies were bombs just like the movies DC released last year were bombs, just bigger ones. -J.

A completely fallacious hot take. Nobody went to see those three dumpster fires they released last year. People go to see the movies they think are worth seeing, and they don't go to the ones they don't care about. It ain't rocket science. -J.

I agree with everything you just said. -J.

In the end this movie will make in 3 weekends what Batman made in over 2 months , without the benefit of 2 major markets that batman had. And then it will continue to make money several weeks after that. This will make 100-200MM more than batman did. Nobody cares if the money was made on the front , the middle or the back, because that's irrelevant. The fact that Marvel, by your own words, has elevated Strange to a higher profile than Batman, is just as much a testament to the marketing power of Disney, as it is an indictment of whatever it is Warner has been trying to do. -J.

This movie (featuring nothing but C and D list characters) will make more in 3 weekends than what Batman (featuring DC's #1 A lister) made in over two months. And it will do it without China and Russia. #Bat-meh -J.

....for barely a day and then *poof*! -J.

It's hard to model books like that, there's usually some price compression in every grade below 9.8 and then a huge premium on the 9.8. -J.

The 9.4 selling for 13k, 3 years ago was a high outlier sale at the time, higher than even what a 9.6 sold for, and as such, is not a reasonable barometer. -J.

To reiterate- This C list character in a decidedly "whatever" movie has nearly made in two weekends, what the unequivocal #1 DC character made in the "Best Batman Eva" in two months. If Marvel has "lost its way" with this bona-fide Batman crushing blockbuster, what does that say about the state of DC, and comic book movies in general? -J.

So just to make sure I have this right now .. "corona" and made-for-cable-TV "wars" only affect DC movies and Marvel movies nobody wants to see(?). -J.

Try reading more and posting less, bud. You can start with what I actually posted and then graduate to the articles I linked. Enjoy. -J.

When are you going to realize you're not very good at this ? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/streaming-services-churn-2022-deloitte-1235055461/amp/ https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/uk-households-cancel-streaming-subscriptions-record-numbers https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/netflix-monkeyhammered-20-lower-catastrophic-earnings-sees-loss-2-million-subs-q2 Never, I suppose. -J.

You're gaslighting again. I NEVER said aquaman was an "abject failure". I did say it was an over bloated monstrosity, which it is. But here's a crew challenge for you- link to where I called aquaman an "abject failure" financially. Of course you won't because I never did. I only commented on it's outlandish budget and that itwould probably need to make about a billion dollars to turn a profit. And I wasn't too far off from the analysis. Good for it that it did. But yeah , it sucked creatively. Oops. Guess I commented on the "quality" of a movie again. Guess you got me there. As for spider-verse. Yeah , a 350MM on a `190MM all in ain't close to being an "overwhelming success". Come on. In reality , it didn't break even until it hit home video and caught a following there. For me , all that says is it only should have been a DTV release in the first place. (For context , and direct comparisons, venom, which came out the same year as spider-verse, and had a comparable budget, along with a china release as well, both movies did, was, in fact, an "overwhelming success") I at least know how to be consistent with my financial analytics. @Buzzetta Streaming is ancillary revenue and I highly doubt batman helped its cause much with those numbers on HBO. Streaming subs are actually down pretty much across the board now. -J.

Dude what are you talking about? Quit trying to gaslight my posts like that joker with the "dot" for a username always does. What I said, when Batman under performed when it first came out, was that its financials were barely "meh", given that he is DC's biggest character by far. I continued to say the same week after week as it continued to be nothing better than a distinctly mediocre performer. Only now that it is officially done have I said that it, in fact , UNDER performed , to what it should have done, as the "best batman eva" that caught every break from a wiide open schedule for a month, to a China release, to the breathless critical raves that I linked early. It had EVERY possible benefit to actually be a big hit, but alas, it failed. And now we see the full picture of its failure on that front as a marvel C lister in a "whatever" filler movie just dwarfed its opening numbers BY A LOT, which I actually said would happen even before DS2's first tracking numbers were released. Unlike some people around here, I actually keep my statements and analytics consistent. -J.

OMG someone didn't like what you liked and pointed out its massive short comings ? Perish the thought! (Has anyone ever told you that the internet might not be for you? Lol) -J.

Yes I agree with you on this. And it sounds like you agree with me as well that Dr. Strange should not make more than Batman. -J.

How about because I neither feel like nor have the time to scour this thread to bash some irrelevant shlub's misguided opinion from these boards? The fact is, there are PLENTY of starry eyed fanboys who have posted glowing opinions about the alleged superior quality of this movie, some to the point of hyperbole that is akin to the "professional reviewers" I linked to, and have passionately repeatedly defended its subpar financials Either that, or, like you, they have engaged in pathetic ad hominem attacks when confronted with anything that remotely contradicts their precious opinions. Those people know who they are, I don't need to "call them out" here directly, linking to MULTIPLE "professional reviewers" who have said the same is more than sufficient to make my point, it in fact , makes my point even BETTER (like this little nugget from forbes' mark hughes "a glorious, jaw-dropping love letter to everything everybody loves most about Batman" https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2022/02/28/review-the-batman-is-the-batman-movie-weve-been-waiting-for/?sh=eca89b143422 ) Fact remains, this movie underperformed well below what it should have, the book-ended performances of no way home and Dr. Strange now prove that once and for all, and all the excuse making, spinning, and equivocating in the world ain't gonna change that fact. Sorry sport. Good talk. -J.

You're the one who always seems "triggered" By facts, that is: "Best Batman Eva!"... https://www.blackwelljournaltribune.net/articles/12321/view https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.denofgeek.com/movies/the-batman-review/%3famp https://www.thecosmiccircus.com/best-batman-movie-to-date/ https://www.slashfilm.com/783792/wait-is-the-batman-the-best-batman-movie/ ...immediately outdone by a polished, though relatively pedestrian Dr. Strange movie. -J.

A bona-fide C-list marvel character in a decidedly "whatever" movie is about to blow the doors off this supposedly "best batman eva!" film. What does that tell us about the state of DC films and the obvious curve that some like to grade their "success" on at this point ? -J.

All this constant spinning must leave you exhausted. -FYi the first hour of this movie was virtually unwatchable. -J.

Now at 2.2 x. Another "raging success" for Sony. -J.

Dude even forbes has acknowledged that the days of Hollywood making a killing in China are basically over , covid or no covid. Look , I appreciate you like, really , really liked this very average movie. I get it. But at this point your , "hey but what if this , what If that" is nothing but rank speculation, and there ain't no asterisks on movies' box office performance. The die is cast on this mediocre movie. Over and out. -J.

No way home did not open in China. And even if you DOUBLED the piddlijg box office this movie made in China and rounded up to $50MM, that still would only add a rather sad $27MM to this movie's total. Why you continue trying to hang your hat on China, is baffling, especially considering the fact that more American movies have bombed there over the past few years than succeeded, "covid" or no "covid". -J.

*yawn* I've already addressed your tone deaf, repetitious statements numerous times and will not be doing so again. And as always, your ridiculous statements about "covid" are lame and beyond played out. Move on. Cherry picking data, "facts", and analytics neither helps nor saves this movie from being the middling, under-performer that it was. -J.

Yup. And a decidedly C-list character is about to make a boat load more money in its first weekend than Batman did. And nobody called Batman a "failure". It is not a failure. Unless you consider under-performing by about 200MM dollars to be a "failure". I didn't and I don't call it that. Gaslight all you want about china, while ignoring what F&F and Bond and Kong made there, and yeah , as I predicted, it didn't even come within 100MM of homecoming, which was released 5+ years ago , and had the same China release this thing did. I just called it what it is - a middling under-performer, especially considering this is DC's single biggest hero , by far. -J.