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+1. Throw GPA out the door on this and other rarer SA big guns. -J. I really dislike that kind of answer. Without tools like GPA, the only people who benefit are dealers. I didn't say GPA is useless. But the fact that they don't accept sales reports from dealers is one of the main reasons they are such a trailing indicator on the aforementioned keys, hence why there are never any available "at" or anywhere near "GPA". -J. Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing with you. I just dislike markets where information on value is largely in the hands of the salesman. It is like buying a car at a dealership pre-Kelly Blue Book... No real understanding of market value and purchase behavior is played out in microcosms. Not sure what GPA does and does not allow in their reporting, but in my mind anyone buying a multi-thousand book should have a paper trail indicating payment (and thus a reliable source of data). That's for sure. I don't want to beat that dead horse too hard though. . I use GPA along with heritage's past auction result feature as well as closed listings on ebay (at least the non-shilled ones), in addition to the reliable and trusted dealers on these boards all taken together I think they give a nice picture of the pie. GPA is but one slice. (thumbs u -J.

I would expect that ST 110 to end at something approaching double that. -J.

+1. Throw GPA out the door on this and other rarer SA big guns. -J. I really dislike that kind of answer. Without tools like GPA, the only people who benefit are dealers. I didn't say GPA is useless. But the fact that they don't accept sales reports from dealers is one of the main reasons they are such a trailing indicator on the aforementioned keys, hence why there are never any available "at" or anywhere near "GPA". -J.

+1. Throw GPA out the door on this and other rarer SA big guns. -J.

That 3.0 is a real head turner as well. -J.

That is a nice copy joey. Looks under graded big time. -J.

Look at the feedback left by someone. That may have been a scam. Definitely a scam from a high jacked account. Not an actual sale. -J. I see one negative feedback but otherwise . Apparently it was a BIN. Maybe the seller didn't realize the value ? It appears the seller does not actively sell comic books. That's one of the first signs of a scam/high jacked account. That, and a book selling at one half FMV when it is extraordinarily easy to see what the book goes for normally on ebay. Don't worry, you didn't miss out on anything. (thumbs u -J.

Look at the feedback left by someone. That may have been a scam. Definitely a scam from a high jacked account. Not an actual sale. -J.

Especially the PQ... Yes, the stated "PQ" on the label is impressive for this book as well. -J.

I agree that we are seeing a lot of the pump and dump technique on the Boards. I hate it also. However, for the most part, I think this BB28 thread is an honest love of the book. For me, it's always been a favorite, a holy grail and so much more important than any movie hype. For your viewing pleasure only....... Oh wow, that's a beauty. Everything about that copy sings. -J.

That is seriously the nicest looking 5.0 I've ever seen! Speaking of "nice looking", and slightly off topic....that's a gorgeous 1.8 AF 15 in your sig line my friend! And yes, a gorgeous X men 5.0, amazingly bright for a mid grade copy. (thumbs u -J.

That book is pure insanity, well done! And it also seems to disprove the notion some have that "unwitnessed" signatures on the cover result in an automatic green label. (thumbs u -J.

It does appear to have some steam right now, and RDJ recently indicating that he is down to do more movies certainly won't hurt (him, obviously, or the book ) but I wonder if it trails the other mega keys a bit simply because it's a 1963 book, and not a 1962 one. -J.

Don't be too sure. People act like they do when they go to Vegas when they go to SDCC.....they tend to get a little starry eyed and reckless with their money. Plus there is something to be said for actually being able to hold an awesome mega key in your hand and not just seeing a scan of it on your computer. Impulse buying can certainly be a factor and dealers need to mark up somewhat to pay for their travel expenses and their space. -J. Impulse buys are one thing but paying double market? Most people aren't going to do that. I've been surveying ST #110's around the room. Found a few reasonably prices ones - aggressive, meaning towards the upper end, but still reasonable. Others? 2 times what they are actually selling for right now. 6.0 copies for $4000. Some dealers are having a hard time replacing keys so they are just marking them up high with a 'take it or leave it', non negotiable price. And believe me when I tell you that some of the prices are absolutely non negotiable. Zero. And it's always been that way for SD (meaning, strong prices) but it seems to be amplified this year. 4000 for a 6.0 is a bit rich right now, but it might be 2015 prices. You think the book is going to almost double in price after already going up 500% in two years? All that, and there are still less graded unrestored copies than even hulk 1 on the census. I certainly think so. (thumbs u -J.

Does that mean ST 110 is STILL not a top 20 Silver age comic? maybe it will be by the time the sequel comes out. -J.

Don't be too sure. People act like they do when they go to Vegas when they go to SDCC.....they tend to get a little starry eyed and reckless with their money. Plus there is something to be said for actually being able to hold an awesome mega key in your hand and not just seeing a scan of it on your computer. Impulse buying can certainly be a factor and dealers need to mark up somewhat to pay for their travel expenses and their space. -J. Impulse buys are one thing but paying double market? Most people aren't going to do that. I've been surveying ST #110's around the room. Found a few reasonably prices ones - aggressive, meaning towards the upper end, but still reasonable. Others? 2 times what they are actually selling for right now. 6.0 copies for $4000. Some dealers are having a hard time replacing keys so they are just marking them up high with a 'take it or leave it', non negotiable price. And believe me when I tell you that some of the prices are absolutely non negotiable. Zero. And it's always been that way for SD (meaning, strong prices) but it seems to be amplified this year. 4000 for a 6.0 is a bit rich right now, but it might be 2015 prices. They may already be pricing in the expected announcements about the Strange movie.... we should probably take this conversation to the ST 110 thread . -J.

Don't be too sure. People act like they do when they go to Vegas when they go to SDCC.....they tend to get a little starry eyed and reckless with their money. Plus there is something to be said for actually being able to hold an awesome mega key in your hand and not just seeing a scan of it on your computer. Impulse buying can certainly be a factor and dealers need to mark up somewhat to pay for their travel expenses and their space. -J.

None of the other big-time GA books have the combination Cap #1 has: *No.1 issue of a series devoted to that specific superhero. *First appearance of a classic superhero. *Origin of a classic superhero. *First appearance of that superhero's arch nemesis (Red Skull). *Classic cover. *Impressive cover artistically/visually. Action #1 -- an anthology series, one hero story, classic but artistically simple cover. Tec #27 -- an anthology series, one hero story, no origin whatsoever. Superman #1 -- no 1st app., mostly reprinted material, no notable villains. Batman #1 -- not the 1st app., of the title character. Marvel #1 -- No top-tier characters, no noteworthy villains. In those respects, no other GA book is in Cap #1's league. And the combination of factors listed above are, to me, much more than "Oh yeah, that's neat" kind of stuff. You say that in "those respects, no other GA book is in Cap #1's league", and that may be true based on the criteria that you defined, however based on the criteria I might define the same could be said about Action #1... I don't usually put this much thought into ranking the top books based on personal desirability, but here goes... Although I actually perform a calculation, I suppose that I typically implicitly look at the following criteria, in the order shown, when ranking the desirability of the best of the best Superhero books: My highest weighted criteria: (1) First Appearance of 1st Tier Superhero (2) Cover Related: 1st cover appearance of Superhero &/or Classic Cover (3) 1st time origin story told? Bonus points if the book has this stuff: (4) Arch Nemesis included? (5) Is it a #1 issue of a book that has one or more solo stories in every issue for the Superhero in question; a bit of a bonus if the entire book is devoted to the Superhero in question (6) Other noteworthy factors not covered above I suppose I then implicitly assign ratings to each of the criterion above and then multiply those rankings by the applicable criteria weighting in order to arrive at the overall ranking of a given book Based on the criteria I have identified above: Action #1 -- Meets all of my criteria above and ranks high in each category IMO (bonus points for being a #1 issue and for being the 1st major ongoing superhero book) Tec #27 -- No origin story, and while Bats appears on the cover, the cover isn't quite as classic as some of the others IMO. Very high ranking for criterion #1 / no noteworthy bonus points. Superman #1 -- Not Supes first appearance and not the 1st origin story (although it is expanded on a bit). Bonus points for being a #1 issue and for being the first book devoted entirely to a superhero. Batman #1 -- Not Bats first appearance, nor is it the first time his origin is told (although it does have a very early / very classic reprint). Borderline classic cover IMO (personally I'm not a big fan of Robin on the cover ). Big time bonus points for Joker first appearance and some more bonus points for being the #1 issue of the first book devoted to Batman. Marvel #1 -- 1st newsstand appearance / origin of Subby and 1st Human Torch, but neither are what I would call 1st tier superheros. Classic cover with the Torch but no Subby. Bonus points for being Marvel #1. Cap #1 -- 1st appearance and origin of Cap, and while his stock has certainly gone up of late, I still wouldn't put him in the same category as Batman or Superman. Classic cover. Bonus points for being a #1 issue devoted to Cap and for the 1st appearance of the Red Skull. If I were to actually work through the calcs (assigning weights to various criteria and ranking each book against each criterion, and then adding up total score for each book), based on my weightings / rankings, I believe I would probably end up with the following rankings: Action #1 Tec #27 Cap #1 I'm sure everyone else has other criteria that they look at, and assign different weightings to their criteria than I do, if they were to take the time to try to explain how they personally rank various books... P.S. Having said all that, I guess I don't always follow my own "rules" as my formulae above would probably rank All-Star #8 above Sensation #1, however I actually prefer Sensation #1 over All-Star #8 I like Sensation #1 over All Star #8 as well, I also like Wonder Woman #1 over All Star #8. But Cap is not a first tier character. So putting him at #3 I can't get on board with BLASPHEMY I say!!!! (Hi Bill ) On a global box office scale, Cap currently is a top tier character. The Winter Soldier has out- grossed both Man of Steel and Amazing Spider-Man 2 worldwide. So if Cap isn't currently a top tier character, neither are Superman or Spider-Man (which I don't agree with). In this day and age, movies approaching the $1,000,000,000 are the highest measures of success. Superman is also suffering on the newsstands. Over the decades, cumulatively, there is no doubt that Superman is a top tier character. But in today's world, Cap is absolutely a top tier character. Using that logic, I could negotiate a license to produce a comic book about Avatar and suddenly the first appearance would be as relevant as Captain America's first appearance? Or Superman's? It's not based purely on box office performance, but that may be the largest measure. I am admittedly unfamiliar with Avatar, for the most part, so it's tough for me to comment. But when Avatar came out, it was extremely relevant and a top tier film. And when the Cap comic came out, he wasn't. Timely didn't really hit their stride until the 60s, as Marvel I believe I know what ciroac means, though I do not attempt to speak for him. But I do believe that he means that cap is not a "top tier character" (and I am inclined to agree with him) in that he is not transcendent in the way the actual top tier characters are....those characters being superman, batman, spiderman, and wolverine. These are top tier characters who are created, or redefined the entire craft of comic books. Captain America was originally a just a propaganda tool, which ultimately became dated and was eventually scrapped altogether until avengers 4. Batman, superman, spiderman have all been featured in continuous titles, usually multiple continuous titles, since their inception. Their enduring popularity is not related to how much box office the next movie makes. As others have pointed out, cap 1 was a slow book until the movies, and his recent popularity is because of and almost entirely based on his presence in movies. All comic book characters have benefited from the movies to varying extent, but captain America is no batman. He is comfortably in the second tier of characters along with the hulk and Thor however. Still very good company. (thumbs u -J.

Um wow, is right. The bidding pattern suggests this is/will be an outlier. -J. All data points are relevant - there is no such thing as an "outlier" Truer words were never spoken. That auction and the high bidder just look a little fishy is all. It may be worth checking the seller's feedback in a week or two to see if the sale was even legitimate. -J.

Figured this club needs a Is it just me or does Mr. Stark's first appearance seem to be doing very well in the low to mid grades right now? -J.

Um wow, is right. The bidding pattern suggests this is/will be an outlier. -J.

PQ = Page Quality Very true, but for this particular fellow the venue hardly matters. -J.

I've bought stuff from there before and they are legitimate. He sells a lot of things on consignment. The most likely scenario is that someone hit the "buy it now" and then backed out on the sale or didn't pay so he re listed it. GPA is usually pretty good about picking up sales that fell through and not reflecting it in its data, so no need to worry. What's more interesting to me is that great looking 5.5 in the heritage auction that has already obliterated the previous GPA high. http://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/superhero/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-fn-55-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7097-91280.s -J.

Anecdotally, anything is possible. But if a "cr/ow" went for more than either book a week earlier or later, what could we possibly divine from those results either way? -J. Nothing because the cr/ow didn't sell the same day/auction as the OW/W and WHITE. Then what does a hypothetical, anecdotal auction prove ? -J. You are annoying. I now know to never ever interact with you on the boards. Thank you. Always nice to be reminded that a personal swipe is what a little intelligent dissension and debate will get you on these boards from time to time. (thumbs u -J.

Anecdotally, anything is possible. But if a "cr/ow" went for more than either book a week earlier or later, what could we possibly divine from those results either way? -J. Nothing because the cr/ow didn't sell the same day/auction as the OW/W and WHITE. Then what does a hypothetical, anecdotal auction prove ? -J.