Jaydogrules

A new GPA high for a 9.0... $3900. http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=162840506609&item_hash4=610f7d4a&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&_pgn=1&rc=nt&_trksid=p3750801.m370.h1613&rmvSB=true -J.

If you thought homecoming was "absolutely horrid" you must have found that travesty of a movie, Wonder Woman to be a completely unwatchable turd. -J.

This is a lot of words for someone who brings no actual facts, figures or stats to the table. If you want to see the invoice do your own due diligence and track it down yourself like I did. At some point when only one person is discussing and providing facts and figures and the other is not, either nit-picks or ignores or constantly asks for "more and more", one just has to accept they are dealing with a troll and move along. If you want to see the reported order numbers for the various other comparable issues of the ASM's that I cited that can be found here: Comichron.com It should be noted that the average orders for ASM during this era was about ~70,000 give or take. And since we all know that ratio variants are distributed based on orders received that tells us that each one would have no more than about 700-750 of the 1:100s. Not a lot but still quite a lot more than the `~225 of the 667. Hence that book's absolute scarcity within every single observable market metric. Your "maybes" and "what ifs" stopped being relevant to anyone who has been following this book and actually knows what they're talking about since around early 2013 at the latest. I continue to be simply astounded with your negative obsession and fixation with this book. Feel free to keep rooting around in all those warehouses looking for one for another three years. Just watch out for those counterfeit copies that have been making the rounds as fraudsters try to cash in on the book's frustrating lack of copies. Good talk. -J.

This statement is as mind bogglingly vapid now as it was when you said something similar under one of your other boardie names 2 1/2 years ago. So I will make the same response as I did then. The 667 Dell'otto was a one case pack shipment of about ~225 copies. Just because you are not privy to the Diamond shipping invoice for the book does not mean it doesn't exist and it isn't true. Guess what- it's true. Deal with it. Or don't. Either way, it doesn't change the facts. But one does not even have to actually see the invoice to perform a reasoned analysis based on a now 6 1/2 history of the book (and others like it from the era). As to the book "sitting in collections" and nobody bothering to slab it, well of course that overlooks two obvious facts- 1) Nothing brings books en masse to the census (and the market) than a high profile sale. Here we have multiple high profile four and five figure sales of the book, both slabbed and a few raw, and that still ain't happened. Considering that this is Marvel's top character in their flagship title, that is not only unusual, it's remarkable. There is no other book like it. But then I am not familiar with any other ASM's intended for wide distribution only having a couple of hundred copies printed. and 2) People can still list and sell raw copies of the book (if they had it). But alas, there have only been three bona fide raw copies offered publicly in three and a half years, the last one a year and a half ago. Again, remarkable for a mainline title. And to further demonstrate the utter frivolity of your assertions , let's have a look at the other 1:100 variants that ASM had during the same time frame, shall we? Issue Number/# of 9.9/9.8 slabs on census/ Total Slabs/Approx 9.8 FMV: 638 (Sketch Variant): 9.9- 1; 9.8- 57; Total Slabs- 84; $150 FMV 639 (Sketch Variant): 9.9- 2; 9.8- 39; Total Slabs- 48; $300 FMV 640 (Sketch Variant): 9.9- 3; 9.8- 53; Total Slabs- 67; $150 FMV 641 (Sketch Variant): 9.8- 48; Total Slabs- 63; $70 FMV 648 (Variant Edition): 9.8- 22; Total Slabs- 62; $1250 FMV 648 (Sketch Variant): 9.8- 86; Total Slabs- 133; $315 FMV 667 (Dell'otto): 9.8- 16; Total Slabs- 32 Interesting how so many more copies of each one of these 1:100's from the same era and run have so many more copies on the census, so many more high grade copies as well (including some 9.9's!), and a few of them barely sell for enough to cover the cost and hassle of having them slabbed. And yet there they are, on the census nonetheless. Since these are from the same time frame, one would have to assume that those copies were also "originally purchased by people with no knowledge or interest in the secondary market" and that "they were actual comic collectors, not people who buy the book on Wednesday to sell it on Thursday", right? Of course these are just simply ridiculous assumptions and not based on anything more than, what, "cuz 'Darkstar' sez so"? Please. And yet here they are, a few barely worth anything, and still slabbed by somebody. Gee I wonder why the 667 would sell for 10X-200X+ multiples of these other ASM issues and still somehow manage to have the least amount of copies on the census, only a handful of slab sales, and an average of less than one raw copy popping up for sale per year. Could it be the fact that there are only about 225 copies in the world? I bet it coooooould. Gee and I wonder why there would be so few copies that have been able to hit a 9.8. I wonder if that could have anything to do with the fact that many of the copies that came out of that one case pack were damaged. I bet it cooooould. Sorry bud, you can protest with your uninformed opinions and crazy assumptions over and over until the cows come home, whilst somehow simultaneously (and bafflingly) ignoring every fact and stat and number that is out there as "just not good enough, dagnabbit!", doesn't change or affect anything in the least. Ahhhhh. This was fun. -J.

Original raw X-23 #1 closed at $970. Think that's a new high for a raw copy of one of these. https://www.ebay.com/itm/X-23-1-25-Variant-issue-1-Gabriele-DellOtto/253383851728?hash=item3afedabed0:g:-hgAAOSw4DJaZiCQ -J.

Call me crazy but I don't consider either "newsstand editions" nor foreign versions of comics to be bona fide "variants". At least not in the same sense as the 667 Dell'otto, is an official publisher designated/released variant. But that might just be me. -J.

So let's talk about some real numbers then: 32- Copies on census after 6 1/2 years (a small fraction of multiple other rare variants/reprints from the era, including WD 100 red foil (250 announced print run), Saga 1 DRS reprint (rumoured 500 print run) , Siege 3, Campbell (rumoured print run 400), Batman 608RRP (rumoured print run 400). 3- Raw copies sold publicly in 3 1/2 years. 1- 9.8 copies sold publicly in five years 0- Copies on eBay now. The point about "Overstreet advisers" was precisely what Lonzilla said- OPG does not feature rare incentive variants, so they have no capacity to render a credible opinion on the matter one way or another. As I said, I have seen the diamond shipping invoice for the book, it was indeed a one case pack ship of a couple hundred copies. Seeing the invoice only validated prior estimates of the print run that I had previously seen on multiple sites and other boards. If you think $8k paid for a 9.6 was crazy, you would flip your lid if you knew about the $7500 I saw a 9.4 copy sell for on a Facebook group shortly after that 9.6 sale. "Relevance" is in the eye of the beholder. For me, owning one of, if not the rarest ASM ever printed for a wide distribution, by one of my favourite artists is very relevant. -J.

Obviously nobody knows exactly what percentage of the ~200 copies of this book that were produced were damaged. But it was a significant one, whatever it was. Considering that I literally just linked you to one of the only three raw copies that have sold in the last ~3 1/2 years that show the same type of damage that had been previously observed and discussed on other forums (here is a second of those three copies, this one from Sept. 2015, no pics anymore but the damages on the book were discussed https://comicbookrealm.com/topic/8/24682 , book still sold for $2050 )and you ignored it, I would say this has officially slid once again into troll territory and I will respectfully bow out for now. -J.

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Estimates are 400-450. http://www.recalledcomics.com/Wolverine1Deadpool.php -J.

Then they did not get it during the "normal course of business" or through normal ordering practices because that's not how the book was made available. In addition to being offered for only a few days window after the original dealer final order cut off, Marvel put some fairly ridiculous hoops for dealers to jump through assuming they even noticed the book- 1)Order 100 copies of 667, 2)Not any 100 copies, but only of the regular cover, 3)That means none of the orders for the other variant for 667 counted, which itself was previewed months in advance, and was heavily ordered since it had essentially no ordering limits with a very easily met ordering threshold, 4) Even if 100 copies of only the regular cover were ordered, actually go back into their Diamond account and special order just that one book (the 667 Dell'otto assuming they saw the belated solicit). https://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/746?articleID=110712 I can only surmise your shop must have also gotten it through some secondary channel that you were not privy to, perhaps similar to the way my Canadian shop did. -J.

It is no mystery. If the shop ordered the requisite 100 of the regular cover and then saw the belated solicit for the book during that brief window after the original dealer final order cut off, and went back into their account to order that one book then they would get it. As it turns out, very few shops also did all that, hence the only ~200 or so copies that went out from Diamond. -J.

This isn't a court room and I'm not here to "prove" any case. Obviously the people in that discussion were privy to less facts then that have since come out. And maybe you don't understand the meaning of the word "rumour", but that's what I said the damages claim was now as they did then. Anecdotal evidence supports the rumour however, as I have noted (as the poster in the other forum back in 2013) that many if not most of the few raw copies that have appeared for sale have the same spine and rear cover damage. There have been only 3 bona fide raw copies offered for sale publicly since September, 2015, the last one was on mycomicshop nearly two years ago (March, 2016), that still has the pictures available, which they called a 7.0 due to that same rear cover damage (scratch(es) in the dark blue). Book still sold for $1700. https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?ItemID=36417518 -J.

Did you ask the shopkeeper? I would imagine he got it the same way people in the States manage to acquire pence versions of books. I got my copy from a shop on a remote Canadian island and I know they didn't order anywhere near close to 100 copies of ASM (they also didn't see the original solicit for the book either, probably because it was offered for only a brief window after the dealer final order cut off for the month). They ended up getting their copy for a customer who requested it through a dealer trade, but the customer never came back to pay for it. Lucky for me I guess. -J.

https://comicbookrealm.com/topic/8/19488/amazing-spider-man-667 -J.

I'd take what "Overstreet advisors" have to say about modern variants with a grain of salt. I've seen the Diamond shipment invoice for the ASM 667. It was indeed a one case pack of around 225 copies shipped (half of which were rumoured damaged). -J.

Exactly. The fact that the image has become iconic enough to warrant a fairly prestigious reprint, only puts a greater sheen on the original. -J.

Seller would be better off doing a straight no reserve auction. -J.

IDW has also used the identical image to Danger Girl 2 (1998) once or twice for original content comics that were released in North America. There are other examples but that is the most high profile variant where that was done that I can think of off the top of my head, and that has also remained one of Campbell's most expensive and highly sought after variants. -J.

Um....La Mole and Panini have been recycling/reprinting famous/expensive variant covers for years many of which have found some value, albeit at an expected significant discount to their original counterparts. -J.

Whoa. The virgin x 23 #1 reprint is already pre-selling at $300. https://www.ebay.com/itm/X-MEN-RED-1-Gabriele-DellOtto-X-23-Virgin-Variant-9-8-CGC-SOLD-OUT-KEY-ISSUE/152878581585?hash=item2398460751:g:9YsAAOSwODFaZpIO&redirect=mobile -J.

Sweet books, congrats! -J.

Exactly. Plate changes aren't expensive. If a retailer wanted only 500 copies of a particular cover generated, or just 50 copies, they could get it, as long as they are willing to pay for the plate change, and (for now) order 2500 copies with other covers. Of course that has not always been the minimum ordering threshold, and may not necessarily be in the future. Thanks for clarification jimmy. -J.

That is bad azz. -J.

Let's see them together. -J.