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All of the color images in this thread are confusing me. This should be moved to the GA section.

https://www.hakes.com/Auction/ItemDetail/209995/ACTION-COMICS-1-COVER-RECREATION-ORIGINAL-ART-BY-SUPERMAN-CREATOR-JOE-SHUSTER The Hake's listing.

THANK YOU! I had complete forgotten about Mike's. This is a bazillion times easier than comics.org to navigate.

To some extent, the price point does this on its own. Such that you are going to see more modern stuff and more unpub pieces. And then if someone was able to hustle or dig hard enough, or got lucky with a nice vintage piece under $500, then they get a little bump for that effort too. I think overall what you are getting at is a blind "art contest" and where we are at currently is an "art collecting review". The current emphasis is on the collectors. Because it's not like we were the ones drawing this stuff. We just bought it. But I like that you are thinking outside the box! The current format was made possible because of the new board format with the easy Like system for voting. Hmmm... maybe I can think of a simple way to do a "black box" category next year. Until then, take a look through this recent (great) thread--

Lest we forget... Mrs. Arbogast

Batman. But what if we rephrase slightly: "What character will an artist charge you more for because they're a pain to draw?" Swamp Thing? Medusa?

I'll explain it in Gene Wilder terms... It's kind of like you're the accountant Leo Bloom from the Producers- and you're trying to walk into the Chocolate Factory and argue pricing models with this guy-

Writing that down. That's a good one for next year. I should be offended by this, but I'm a teeming mass of contradictions so I'm gonna run with it. I applaud your ability to argue your side of this in a total vacuum without an entry this year or any personal stake. It speaks to your credibility. Totes- https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/30/business/trump-tax-cuts-beat-gilti.html

Cross-posting my reply from the other thread... McCloud and Martin's books are great! I have to check out the Molly Bang book. I'd also add Terry Moore's drawing book as well as the magazines from Two Morrows. Rough Stuff, iirc, had a great column by Bob McLeod where he would break down sample pages and show you how to rework them. It was fascinating. And of course, their Comic Artist and Modern Masters series are just gold through and through! https://twomorrows.com/

McCloud and Martin's books are great! I have to check out the Molly Bang book. I'd also add Terry Moore's drawing book as well as the magazines from Two Morrows. Rough Stuff, iirc, had a great column by Bob McLeod where he would break down sample pages and show you how to rework them. It was fascinating. And of course, their Comic Artist and Modern Masters series are just gold through and through! https://twomorrows.com/

The big change in that decade was the rise of bookstore sales (including Amazon) over the comic shops. So how much of this is the retail echo chamber...? Buyers at the chains with only limited comics knowledge buy these titles because that's what they've been told to stock... which are then on the endcaps and are then what sells. By "invoiced" do they mean after returns? Because that would negate the above echo chamber effect.

Just to get into the weeds a teensy bit, because details DO matter (and also we encourage OCDs in my house!)... It's not about treating all potential buyers equally, it's about staying under a particular budget within your personal means or situation. Also, you've mentioned in past threads (as have I) that factoring in sales tax has affected your bidding. So that's you staying under your budget. Now, I could argue further that under a certain price point... say $500 where shipping could be up to 10% of the total, people factor that into their budget as well. Shipping for higher-priced pieces doesn't really factor much into the total cost. But we still leave off shipping from the entries here because. But this is all just academic. The BEAB prefers a more wine-fueled intuitive approach to rules, so let's see what happens next year! Now go buy some cheap art!

Alright, alright... Just post your piece already! If it's $500.15, we won't ding you.

This is awesome! https://www.comicartfans.com/bestofpiece.asp?piece=1554431

The problem I am having this year with the big surge in entries (due to just being able to select pieces from regular galleries) is that there are too many to narrow down to just a few per category. So while I am browsing and loving all of the art, I'm not going to vote this year. I just don't have time to try to whittle it down with a billion tabs open. If the large number of entries continues next year, I would recommend changing the voting system to something similar to what we do here on the boards for BUDGET... As you go through the listings in a category, you can Like or Vote for as many pieces as you want. If something catches your eye, you click Vote right then and move onto the next piece. Then, all of the totals are tallied up. Overall, the middle will get lifted up with more overall votes, showing more diversity and breadth of tastes, while the top will still be the top. But most importantly, an individual voter doesn't have to spend time ordering their own selects down to just 3, 5, x, etc.

Too many entries. I might go the other way... 6-figure only category!

Thanks! Kudos to them for tagging all of those. Now, if we can just get them to redesign their interface!

It's like nobody can even see me at all.

The BEAB takes any tallying discrepancies very seriously. We have conducted a full investigation and discovered the votes in question came in from one "lb jefferies" after the results were tallied- It's too bad really. I was looking forward to firing the imbecile who miscounted. The BEAB doesn't need any FIFA-level scandals.

It would be fun to see an example if anyone knows of any.

But seriously... Why are we just talking auctions here? Dealing privately doesn't incur sales tax. Go out and buy that way and clean up during next year's awards! That's your way in people! To balance the scales, shipping, packing, insurance, etc. are NOT factored in. I don't want to penalize our overseas collectors.

My thought process was if you buy a bottle of Cisco and you know up front you're going to be charged sales tax, you factor that in. Tree-fiddy is your budget. That's it. You have to come in under that. But if you think it's only going to cost you a bus ride to get back to the shanty town under the freeway, and THEN the bus breaks down and you gotta "work" your way back across town... well your costs of carry just went up. That's nobody's fault and has nothing to do with your ability to budget or your finely-tuned tastebuds and their appreciation of Cisco over, say... Thunderbird or C45.

I appreciate all of your passionate lobbying, gentle-beings. The BEAB (Budget Edition Advisory Board) will certainly take all of these things under advisement.

...is the name of next year's pop-up category!

Well, the decorations have been put away. The stale cookies have all been eaten. 2019 is proper over, but one thing remains... COMIC ART COLLECTING GLORY!!! Russian bots have worked laboriously to tally the votes and the winners are... In the PUBLISHED category, @PhilipB2k17 billy-clubs his way into first place with his Alan Davis and Mark Farmer Daredevil page! In the UNPUBLISHED category, @fenip unleashes his inner Kraken courtesy of Jeremy Bastian! The Budget Edition Advisory Board decided to carry over a popular category from last year... Therefore, this year's TASTEMAKER and the boardie with the overall most votes goes to @damonwatson ! Congrats, you have the most discerning palate under $500. And in the FEELIN' DIRTY category (which I just made up), @GotSuperPowers?flies the friendly skies with his Goran Parlov Punisher page! Congrats on corrupting our innocent minds! *Honorable mention to @mister_not_so_nice for sneaking a finger in there at the end. Thanks to everyone for their entries and voting this year. Once again, some beautiful art. I think limiting the entries to 3 tightened things up this time. We will continue to play around with the numbers next year to keep it fresh. Meanwhile, please tell your friends next year! There is a ton of great art on CAF, IG, FB, 2DG that would qualify. So, let's get them over here. See you here for Best of 2020. If anybody needs to sell a kidney, I got a guy! This year's Budget Edition was sponsored by BumWine.com.