It's back up, with the married back cover that was supposed to have been slabbed with the interior.

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On 1/4/2024 at 7:42 AM, sledgehammer said:

Cool. So I guess this time that we are in agreement that comiclink couldn't possibly know that the list will slowly dwindle down from what it is now.

The only way the list of books to watch out for would not dwindle down is if CGC does not update it. 

ComicLink already has some books sent out to them to review/recertify with a different cert number, so after review they will no longer be books to watch out for, no longer books on this "recall list", regardless of whether or not they remain in the same condition.  We have only just begun this process.  It will obviously take time and effort, but will be getting in touch with all our clients that ever purchased one of these books, and this will happen soon.  Additionally, if they have resold books, we will advise them to inform the party they sold the book to and encourage them to go through the review process.   That will be good for both the most recent owner and the market as a whole.  If CGC is footing the bill, no reason not to do it.

Best way for CGC to handle the list now requires proactive updating by CGC.  The original list should stay up, but CGC should revise status for books that were resolved. Simply marking all reviewed and recertified books with a new cert number as "recertified" would mean that the certification number in question no longer exists, so no one need worry about it. 

On 1/4/2024 at 7:05 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

What do you mean the images are fine? The scammer gets the books reholdered, so the images in the database of course match up.

I will explain. There are cases where the individual purchased the book from another seller, via ComicLink, then turned around at a later date, and resold the same book (same cert number), after having it reholdered (b/c it was reholdered by him, it is included on CGC's list).  I can tell that the book is the same before/after as before from the images, because multiple defects, wraps, etc., line up the same exact way in the image before he bought it, and the image after he resold it.  

On 1/4/2024 at 12:16 AM, gmasstermcd said:

Inside job might explain why there is such a huge percentage of books on the list with graders notes. Maybe it was a precaution in case someone noticed you could point to the notes and say ya look there was indication of some flaws on these 9.8s

On 1/4/2024 at 12:13 AM, comeaux said:

CGC  released this list so they should obviously know who the scammer(s) are, why not release the name(s) to protect the community? 

Inside job 

No, this was not an inside job.

Nighty night

And you make a good point.  Now that the list is released, perhaps prematurely with books that are just fine, they should probably all be resubmitted to CGC for review and a new cert number.

Also, it should be noted that according to CGC, this scam only involved reholders linked to the party in question. Regardless, if there are more of them that are unknown in addition to what is on this list (which is tiny compared to the number of books that they have certified), CGC is stating they are going to make it right, so to me, THAT restores confidence and negates the fear of loss currently, and also with regard to purchasing books going forward, in such cases where one of these got by CGC. 

CGC is the final arbiter of the list of potentially suspect books. 

If it is on CGC's list, which should be modified and shrinking over time, it should not be sold by anyone without being reviewed first and then removed off of CGC's list. 

We will not sell any of them prior to that occurring and no one else should either.

OK, I have a 5:15 AM wakeup call, so done with this for the night!  I hope that some of what I said is helpful.

On 1/3/2024 at 10:00 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

 

 

 and hear me out?

Wouldn't anyone "on the list" want to send in to get a new cert number to then "be off the list?"

Then if they aren't found to have fraud books are then liable for grading fees? (Probably due to cgc insurance wile holding them? Idk)

No - CGC is going to review the grades to be sure they are accurate.  There will be no charge regardless. If inaccurate, the book will be regraded.  If accurate, it will just receive a new cert number with the same grade.

I think all "cleared" books should be removed from the list by CGC, actively, so the list of books to watch out for should shrink substantial over time, hopefully within a short period of time.

CGC also stated in their release that they will not let anyone lose money based on their error.  I think they will have to provide more specificity on what they mean by that. This was an error, but they are stating that they are going to do right by the marketplace and their customers, and of course, they have already revised their procedures to some extent to prevent the same thing from recurring.

I hope that they will remove others off the list that I've alerted them to already.

On 1/3/2024 at 9:45 PM, pickycollector said:

Fortunately I do not have any book from the list but when looking at it, I see books graded several years ago. I would have expected to see listed only books graded a few years ago but the Avengers #57 8.5, for example, was graded in 2008. Is that then just the tip of the iceberg?

The Avengers 57 8.5 is one of the ones that ComicLink sold multiple times and I reviewed the sellers, buyers and the images. The images are the same in each case, and the book is fine.  

On 1/3/2024 at 8:36 PM, WernerVonDoom said:

Holy &#!. I have a book on the list. FF #2 7.5.  I bought this in 2020 from my local comic book store in California.

It looks exactly like a 7.5, nice with a small stain. Zero red flags.

This makes no sense to me.

 

It may be just fine, like the JIMs and some other Silver Age books I've noticed are fine. CGC's list is all the books that they suspect MAY be at issue.

I would suggest you send the book to them for review. -Josh

On 2/8/2023 at 4:40 PM, F For Fake said:

Hey Josh - sorry, didn't intend for the thread title to be misleading. We can blame my shoddy reading comprehension skills for that one. I've edited the title, but Mike can give it another update if need be. Didn't intend to misrepresent anything. 

Thanks F

On 2/8/2023 at 4:13 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

When does Steve’s non-compete expire?  I’d like to see him return to CGC to conclude his comic  book adventures....

Haha. I don't think that's in the cards.

Just FYI, I believe we are up to the beginning of June for shipping now, or very close to it. 

We had been irregularly backlogged due to back to back, very large auctions in March and April. I expect we will be very close to up to date within the next week and a half, in time for orders to ship promptly for our closing June auction.
 

I had not noticed this thread until it was just brought to my attention.  There was no indication of any outage on our end.

I checked the bidding logs and I see many bids that came in during the intervals of time encompassing the reports by Jsid and Mythreesons

So this wasn't a universal problem.  

You say here the site isn't working, but can you guys be more specific about what you were seeing?  

Lou_fine wrote:

"No doubt it was another one of these record setting auction results that was never ever completed by the so-called bidder or possibly another one of these whereby the consignor is simply trying to manipulate the price upwards to set the book up for a future sale. "

I don't understand why people make proclamations of fact with complete confidence when it is just conjecture. The sale of the Tomb of Dracula #10 9.9 in the 2019 auction did indeed complete for $85,000 in the Summer 2019 Featured Auction. The purchaser in that auction is reselling it in the upcoming one.  

-Josh

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