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the action 22 is not hard. The MF 53 may be tougher.

A10 is a tougher than the Tec 31 and 33. I think the price point of A10s are around $15k per point? I think A10 is a little harder to find come by than A7.

Yes, please......might as well "JUMP" I bought mine last year not only because it's a great book but...and I know this isn't exactly apples to apples....I just can't figure why it doesn't get Action 7 love. the A7 is rarer and especially all the record six figure Action 1 sales keep pushing the 7 up.

I am TEC 29 biased, but I never thought there was any (legitimate/good) reason TEC 29 was undervalued compared to TEC 31, playing catch up now. What does a TEC 31 cgc 1.5 ow/w go for these days? $33-38k? More? that's likely an accurate price point.

And if Marvel gets around to making a movie showcasing the original Torch vs the Sub-Mariner those casual observers will change their mind in a heart beat. Besides MC#1 is much tougher to acquire than a Cap#1 as you rarely see them for sale. To me it's still "the" GA Timely book to own. Yes, Detective 1 is the first DC and it’s not highly sought after so why consider Marvel 1 any differently? Good point, but 1) Detective 1 has an extremely simple cover that is a swipe from an earlier pulp, 2) there’s no continuing characters in Detective 1 that have survived to this day, and 3) New Fun and New Comics preceded that title so many collectors find it vague whether to truly consider Detective 1 as the first DC at all. On the other hand, Marvel 1 has a lot going for it: 1) the chromatic pulpy Paul cover with either a fuzzy or clean Torch depending which off registration you prefer most, 2) the October/November overprint variations, 3) origin of the Human Torch (continuing character throughout the 40’s and re-booted in 1962), 4) colorized origin of the Submariner (part of the current Marvel Universe), 5) mis-cut pages that prompted Goodman to switch printers, 6) controversy due to the discovery of Motion Picture Funnies Weekly 1, and 7,8,9) fantastic Everett/Burgos/Gustavson art continuing their great work with Centaur. Enough of that. Back in the day (we’re talking 1960’s through mid 2000’s), Marvel 1 was far and away THE Timely prize to acquire. Period! Only after scoring Marvel 1 would the advanced Timely collector gravitate to the next logical steps which was owning Torch 1, Sub-Mariner 1, and Cap 1. The truly esoteric collector would also attempt to acquire Darings and Mystics for the obvious reasons (fantastic 1939-1940 Schomburg covers amidst some decidedly wacky stories). But back to Marvel vs Cap 1. What changed the values between Marvel 1, Cap 1, Torch 1 and Sub-Mariner 1? We all know it’s public awareness due to the movies. But why did Hollywood pick Cap for a movie and leave the Torch and Sub-Mariner in the dust (so far, that is)? Cap was the easiest character to work with in terms of special effects. No fire, no water. Actually, the movie industry figured that one out many years earlier with a Cap serial in 1944 and Cap TV movies in the 80’s. That may sound like a superficial way of looking at it, but it is so. However, Cap should not be minimized in any way just because he’s easier to put on a screen. Cap is the embodiment of American patriotism, and the dynamic art of Simon & Kirby and a solo Kirby continuing the character in the 60’s certainly made Cap a true superstar and the handling of the Cap character throughout the years has been more successful than even Superman (Batman’s pretty good though). In other words, Cap is amazing for all kinds of reasons, but Marvel 1 was the #1 goal and Cap #1 was secondary. Let’s get back to Torch 1, Submariner 1 and Cap 1 as the secondary Timely prizes behind Marvel 1. I recall in the 60’s through 90’s that collectors who were lucky enough to score a Marvel 1 preferred to get a Cap 1 before they got a Torch 1 and Submariner 1. Why? Torch and Submariner were already in their Marvel 1s so naturally they wanted something different. Variety! Also, the fact that Cap 1 was an early Simon & Kirby product and that his first 10 issues rivaled the quality of content in Marvels 1-10 were the other hooks. Marvel 1-10 had the dynamic Everett and Burgos battles, Caps 1-10 were cover to cover Simon & Kirby at their absolute zenith. Also, collectors recognized that the art and story quality of Torch 2-10 and Submariner 2-10 were inconsistent in comparison to Caps 1-10. So, Captain America Comics was the cooler series to get! Cap 1 was also a little more difficult to acquire than a Torch 1 or Submariner 1. Collectors love the patriotic and the Hitler cover no doubt kept more Cap1s nestled in collector’s collections than either a Torch 1 or Submariner 1. But back to the question “which would you rather own?” As a collector who has been around the block, Marvel 1 hands down. If I wasn’t around the block I probably would say Cap 1. My answer: Get both and call it a day or at least get a Marvel 1 and Cap 2 (my favorite Cap) or a Marvel 9 and Cap 2 (you save yourself a lot of money and you have the best rendition of all three characters). spoken like a true Timely veteran. One has to have experienced the whole gambit of gold to appreciate what's cool and what's important to the hobby. I have owned three Cap 1s and don't really regret parting with any of them. But I tend to always favor the earlier books.

It was always like this until the movie speculator crowd entered. Marvel #1 was for many years the most valuable book in the hobby. After the Batman movie craze in the late 1980's that changed. I still think ultimately it's number #3 after Action #1 and Tec #27 regardless of what the numbers say. ... and those numbers might change if a high grade October copy hit the block. GOD BLESS.... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) No one would want to see one surface more than me but I doubt one exists. any October copy would be nice to see. I only know of one copy. Ben I'm disappointed in you. There is the 5.0 Cage copy of course, this File copy: And this one: And this moderately restored copy which sold on Comicconnect: I knew about those but I meant to say there's only one OCT copy I know where it resides.

It was always like this until the movie speculator crowd entered. Marvel #1 was for many years the most valuable book in the hobby. After the Batman movie craze in the late 1980's that changed. I still think ultimately it's number #3 after Action #1 and Tec #27 regardless of what the numbers say. ... and those numbers might change if a high grade October copy hit the block. GOD BLESS.... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) No one would want to see one surface more than me but I doubt one exists. any October copy would be nice to see. I only know of one copy.

Just curious but how does the MMC#9 cover rank in comparison for you?

If I was given a choice between the 3, that'd be my pick as well. so Bat 1>Cap 1>Marvel 1 for you?

agreed. MC 1 and Cap 1 are really two different Timelys. Unlike Tec 27 and Action 1 which are pretty much closer in style and content.

This is the only correct answer for a Timely lover. yup and as a true Timely enthusiast, the history of Timely with Jacquet, Goodman, and Torpey is unparalleled in comic history and it starts with Marvel 1. It may not be the "hot" book/character right now, but MC1 is earlier, scarcer and much more historically significant. The stories were so wild in the MM run, but Cap 1 certainly put Goodman in fair competition with the other comic publishers. I love Cap, but it's MC 1 for me. Would you do this? yes, but keep the Suspense 3 in there.

you will grow to like the torch on MC 1. No other book has such a wider chromatic spectrum on it's cover. Goodman was a successful pulp publisher, and he chose to hire Frank R. Paul to do the cover and had all the confidence in him. What is really a mystery is why Goodman chose the Angel for so many of the single digit covers and changed the title to MC to MMC. He certainly appeared to think the Angel was going to be a hit and chose to place him on the next two issues.

This is the only correct answer for a Timely lover. yup and as a true Timely enthusiast, the history of Timely with Jacquet, Goodman, and Torpey is unparalleled in comic history and it starts with Marvel 1. It may not be the "hot" book/character right now, but MC1 is earlier, scarcer and much more historically significant. The stories were so wild in the MM run, but Cap 1 certainly put Goodman in fair competition with the other comic publishers. I love Cap, but it's MC 1 for me.

congrats. That's my old USA 8 CGC 2.5 that I sold on these boards in May 2012.

more, tape regardless. should go $80k-$90k

this is worth a bump Andy. Wow those colors.

my old copy. Glad the certificate is still with the book.

I'll support that being a Subby fan

when I spoke to Carbo at the SV Con, he told me he just drove from NY to North Carolina to pick up the collection. It was not a full complete run. Most of the books seemed to be between 20-50 or so. The early ones I saw in the glass case was the 7.0 plod 1, the 2, and a 7. Not sure who the previous owner was.

quite a half dozen winners you scored there! Primetime will be none to pleased about that Cap #2 I tried to buy the 2 three weeks ago from Carbo at the Silicon Valley con but he wanted to sell the caps as a set. He said he'd give me first shot at the 2 if the set were to be broken up. I guess he forgot about me You had good timing Knights

thanks for the pics Robot Man. Yah, I looked at Carbo's Caps the week before at Silicon Valley con, but he wasn't going to break up this new Cap collection...