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I'm assuming all of the graders will be different and probably specialize in sports cards. Will the slabbing/receiving be separate from the TCG cards or will they be infringe on each other in terms of employees. I suppose what I'm trying to figure out is if it shares any part with the TCG grading resources/manpower and if its going to effect turnaround times or if it'll be two completely separate services that don't bottleneck each other at any point. TLDR: Curious if it'll impact TCG turn around times at all when launched. Whether I need to be sending in anything now to not worry about the rush when CSG starts rolling it out.

I'm thrilled. I only flip high dollar cards where an extra $20/30 doesn't really make a difference. I'm cool with them doing whatever is necessary to stop all these trash graded cards I see flooding the place. Everytime I see someone trying to flip commons that aren't even popular I want to send them a message asking how long they plan to sit on that thing. I'd honestly be surprised if any of them ever sell. Very different dynamic to baseball. Unless its like a <1970 card everyone wants something with a high grade.

I think that's the point. Go to eBay. Look at all the base set commons and other stuff people have graded in large quantities. People are sending things to get graded that honestly shouldn't be. Especially considering the high demand for graded cards, some of it really really needs to be weeded out. People sending .20-.50 cards in bulk for grading slamming turnaround times. Also, I use all services for different cards. SGC and PSA are so slammed I won't see my baseball submissions for another 3 months minimum so I don't know where else you think people will go.

At this point it's a game for me. Always right after I submit something the time goes up. Maybe if I stop submitting, the times will go down for everyone else 😂

I think most people take that as a little +/- either way not 2x so not hard to see where frustration comes from tbh. I get frustrated with it, but just have to adapt.

Yeah, it blows. Especially over the weekend sales. Fri, Sat, Sun all pay out on Tues. So money might hit account Wed. I really don't care for it but was forced to switch back in Nov.

Gotcha, I separated them in the box and did everything appropriately as far as I know. It's a WK/Express shipment and labeled the box WK on each side. Happy to hear those aren't behind. Thanks.

@PaulS. Is that for WK as well? I didn't realize it was that far behind when I shipped some today.

I've heard in the past card savers are just cut open with scissors. Does it make it easier with the post it tabs so the graders can just pull them out or do they cut it anyways. Feel like there isn't much risk damaging it pulling with post-its and if it makes it easier I'll do all future submissions that way.

Also, unlike most businesses, card grading companies can't staff in a similar fashion. You have to understaff for the surge and overstaff for the slow days. You can't hire 20 new people because it's in a surge, lay them off after a month when it gets slow, hire them back two weeks later when it's booming. Judging the appropriate middle ground number of employees to have on hand is probably pretty difficult.

I'm glad about sports cards though. They were worthless for so long. My brother was born early 80s so all his cards were trash and me in the early 90s all my cards are worth zilch. I don't really collect newer stuff I but I did get a Luzardo 1/5 auto from some topps chrome stadium. Was nice to pull something worth a few hundred. You have Trout selling for insane amounts, Roberts is a hot item. Sports needed that #s. I'm more into Mantle as it's all my father talked about when I was a kid. When he passed a few years ago it gave me a much more sentimental attachment to some of the greats like Musial, Aaron, Mays, Mantle. A lifeline to those memories I began to understand why people are so attached to some cards and willing to pay small fortunes if they have it. I haven't seen pokemon in a store since after Thanksgiving. Either you go to the same stores as me or that's what it looks like nation wide because you just described it perfectly. Hockey cards, wwe and mtg out the butt. Absolutely nothing on pokemon cards. Like the vendor hasn't been to any store near me in over 2 months.

Mantle rookie, gretzky rookie all that. Collectible cards as a whole have exploded beyond anything before.

I'd say in the $20s, maybe $30 if you're lucky raw.

There may be more to it than that. If they do it like other companies and at least 2 graders look at the card and if two graders disagree on sub grades but the overall grade is the same case closed, it's out the door. What happens if they disagree on subs? Does it go to another person to make the decision on whether that sub grade is a 9 or an 8.5? I'm sure the price and time increase is reflective of more than just typing it in.

If it was someone doing it for PC I might(big maybe) understand. Like if you're an Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam display kinda person. Trying to flip a .99 cent Abra by sending it through with subs🤔. Don't want to give away too much info for someone to find the auction but let's say their asking price is something that would never, ever be paid. Trying to flip a .99 card by sending it through with subgrades. That's the kind of mess that needs to be priced out. There's a time and a place for everything. Flooding grading companies with cards like this is why we have an issue. Collector or flipper. The price hikes may be their way of forcing rationality upon us as we've proven incapable of doing it ourselves.

I have some of my PC graded, but I can't reasonably come up with an excuse for why something like this exist. 1st Ed Shadowless or maybe just Shadowless i'll bite. This though?

Every LCS in existence is essentially a flipper. Buy low, sell high. Don't have anything against. Don't think price hike has to do with flipping so much as people going for services that don't monetarily make sense and clogging the system as a whole? What they're doing makes sense to me. Trying to get people to submit through the appropriate tier based on card value. *Wrong quote, meant to hit OPs.

I collect and flip. Not sure what relevance collecting has to getting subgrades on sub $3-500 . That's like polishing a turd. Sure, someone can do it but doesn't make sense. I seen cards like base set Abra with subgrades. Card might be worth couple of dollars max. Beyond pointless to have subgrades on that. Don't flip but I collect baseball cards? Am I going to run out and get a $15-20 Cepeda graded just because its old? No. Mantle graded? Yes, because it's actually valuable and survived 60 years with practically no damage. Some things just don't make sense to grade a certain way or at all because the value simply isn't there.

You can still pay up front with a check if that's your preference.

He probably means on the return so you don't get two separate shipments of Subs and non subs paying for shipping twice.

Camera playing some tricks, something was distorting it there on the Blaine's. Can't get silvering to show up but can come up with dents that aren't lol. Probably because I'm taking pics through a magnifying lamp. I'd say both are probably some of the best I've come across. Between centering being really good and everything else. Gonna see how CGC grades it. I'll be praying from this afternoon when it gets shipped until it pops up online. Don't want to sit on it forever and PSA walkthrough prices are out of the question.

Not crazy high dollar but the ding on the silvering could make a difference in price on these two. Would hate to get dropped because of it. Willing to take the risk and crack it if I have to. Haven't gotten a silvered on back yet so this will be my test run.

Sounds like pretty much what I do. Newer stuff just isn't flippable to me. I do sometimes struggle to figure out how some things will grade between services. Send vintage with silvering to psa, they dont seem to care. Send it to CGC, wondering if it'll get like a 7 instead. Still in the learning process on how some things will turn out.

It doesn't affect WK and express turn around time.

Sending in 1st Ed Dark Zard today. What's an extra $32 when you're talking about a $1000+ card. If they're willing to pay a grand, they'll be willing to pay an extra $32. I can afford the +$32 increase because the card is valuable. That's what walkthrough is for, high end cards. Send the $3-500 cards in through express. Anything lower through whatever. The point is to turn people to the actual tier the cards should be at, not sending $200 cards through WK. I don't want to wait three weeks because everyone is using WK for cards that aren't worth it like BGS.