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[Logan510]

Does someone have a link to the vote? The only one I could find was Jimmy nominating himself for the PL ( I voted yes ).

[bababooey]

Because the seller doesn't say that. I "think" and "probably". This is common in any board negotiation I've had.

The outcome doesn't indicate he was pushing for an "extra $10"

 

 

 

 

[Bosco685]

And let's not forget why the 'joke' was made about the death of a father.

 

Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in

 

My joke about good ole dad died was my black humor. I wasnt hiding it.

 

 

Nice try. You slipped up and mentioned he was "sick" after claiming he was "dead", the original post was found and got busted on it. Then people, rightfully, got angry about it.. That's not the same as not "hiding it".

 

It's also not the same as "it was a joke", when you tried to use it to excuse yourself from a failure to perform in a transaction as promised.

 

 

 

I also give props to Slym2none for being the only former lynchmob to post non-aggressive and attacking posts in my own threads.

 

I don't think I posted in any of your threads attacking you. Maybe I did. I can't remember. I certainly never mentioned your mother. That much I know.

 

Also, keeping me on the HOS kinda dilutes the effectiveness as i never ripped off anyone.

 

One of the definitions of fraud is using false pretenses or lies in dealing with others to alter, or sway, the transaction in a direction it may not have gone otherwise.

 

Like lying about a parents death in order to attempt to explain or assuage a failure to ship items.

 

If you lie in the middle of a deal, for any reason, you probably shouldn't be touting your honesty in dealing.

[jawn]

Because the seller doesn't say that. I "think" and "probably". This is common in any board negotiation I've had.

The outcome doesn't indicate he was pushing for an "extra $10"

 

 

 

 

That's true, but how am I supposed to guess that? We did a little back and forth. He said he might hold onto it to take pictures, but an hour later the thread is still open so I make a solid offer. Thread still open, he thinks it might be too low, thinks he is going to hold onto it. Hours later thread still open I reply in PM and on the public thread that I will take it for the full price he was asking. If he wanted to keep it why keep the thread open? Maybe it was an oversight I don't know and really don't care at this point. He's not selling me the book. I need to work on some trades, and be happy with the one thing that worked out this week my freshly opened Doom Patrol #99.

Edited May 2, 2014 by jawn

[Aces]

everyone keeps saying that HOS is reserved for the worst of the worst but looking just at the HOS members added in 2013, it seems to not match that description.

 

granted some of the things solarcadet and gijoe did were horrible, but does it really compare to thomas neely, redrocks or beerbohm?

 

I'm not suggesting even for a minute that anyone should be taken off that list. Just trying to understand how some people have the impression of what that lists really consists of.

 

HOS admittance standards is like CGC grading.

There are strict periods and loose periods.

[N/A]

Because the seller doesn't say that. I "think" and "probably". This is common in any board negotiation I've had.

The outcome doesn't indicate he was pushing for an "extra $10"

 

 

 

 

We'll have to disagree.

[comix4fun]

And let's not forget why the 'joke' was made about the death of a father.

 

Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in

 

My joke about good ole dad died was my black humor. I wasnt hiding it.

 

 

Nice try. You slipped up and mentioned he was "sick" after claiming he was "dead", the original post was found and got busted on it. Then people, rightfully, got angry about it.. That's not the same as not "hiding it".

 

It's also not the same as "it was a joke", when you tried to use it to excuse yourself from a failure to perform in a transaction as promised.

 

 

 

I also give props to Slym2none for being the only former lynchmob to post non-aggressive and attacking posts in my own threads.

 

I don't think I posted in any of your threads attacking you. Maybe I did. I can't remember. I certainly never mentioned your mother. That much I know.

 

Also, keeping me on the HOS kinda dilutes the effectiveness as i never ripped off anyone.

 

One of the definitions of fraud is using false pretenses or lies in dealing with others to alter, or sway, the transaction in a direction it may not have gone otherwise.

 

Like lying about a parents death in order to attempt to explain or assuage a failure to ship items.

 

If you lie in the middle of a deal, for any reason, you probably shouldn't be touting your honesty in dealing.

 

 

 

And for the record... a "mob" isn't a "mob" if it's really just lots of individual people that have a really negative attitude about people that would use a parent's (faked) death as a leverage point to gain some advantage or release themselves from some responsibility.

 

"Mob" indicates people not thinking for themselves, everyone who had a problem with the lies and prevarications seemed to have their own distinct reaction to them. They just happened to coincide with one another.

 

 

The words "Mob" and "Bully" are trigger words used by people to dodge getting caught red handed in a lie or scam or other bad behavior over and over again on this board. No one's buying what they're selling.

[solarcadet]

And let's not forget why the 'joke' was made about the death of a father.

 

Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in

 

My joke about good ole dad died was my black humor. I wasnt hiding it.

 

 

Nice try. You slipped up and mentioned he was "sick" after claiming he was "dead", the original post was found and got busted on it. Then people, rightfully, got angry about it.. That's not the same as not "hiding it".

 

It's also not the same as "it was a joke", when you tried to use it to excuse yourself from a failure to perform in a transaction as promised.

 

 

 

I also give props to Slym2none for being the only former lynchmob to post non-aggressive and attacking posts in my own threads.

 

I don't think I posted in any of your threads attacking you. Maybe I did. I can't remember. I certainly never mentioned your mother. That much I know.

 

Also, keeping me on the HOS kinda dilutes the effectiveness as i never ripped off anyone.

 

One of the definitions of fraud is using false pretenses or lies in dealing with others to alter, or sway, the transaction in a direction it may not have gone otherwise.

 

Like lying about a parents death in order to attempt to explain or assuage a failure to ship items.

 

If you lie in the middle of a deal, for any reason, you probably shouldn't be touting your honesty in dealing.

 

I never failed to ship any item.

 

I have done no boardie wrong....

 

I accept I cannot change the opinion of some.

 

Go San Antonio Spurs!!!!!!!!

 

 

[comix4fun]

And let's not forget why the 'joke' was made about the death of a father.

 

Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in

 

My joke about good ole dad died was my black humor. I wasnt hiding it.

 

 

Nice try. You slipped up and mentioned he was "sick" after claiming he was "dead", the original post was found and got busted on it. Then people, rightfully, got angry about it.. That's not the same as not "hiding it".

 

It's also not the same as "it was a joke", when you tried to use it to excuse yourself from a failure to perform in a transaction as promised.

 

 

 

I also give props to Slym2none for being the only former lynchmob to post non-aggressive and attacking posts in my own threads.

 

I don't think I posted in any of your threads attacking you. Maybe I did. I can't remember. I certainly never mentioned your mother. That much I know.

 

Also, keeping me on the HOS kinda dilutes the effectiveness as i never ripped off anyone.

 

One of the definitions of fraud is using false pretenses or lies in dealing with others to alter, or sway, the transaction in a direction it may not have gone otherwise.

 

Like lying about a parents death in order to attempt to explain or assuage a failure to ship items.

 

If you lie in the middle of a deal, for any reason, you probably shouldn't be touting your honesty in dealing.

 

I never failed to ship any item.

 

I have done no boardie wrong....

 

I accept I cannot change the opinion of some.

 

Go San Antonio Spurs!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

I'm shocked that you couldn't change anyone's mind, especially after thumbing your nose at the HOS list and repeatedly stating that the HOS means nothing to you and that you sell and buy with impunity. I was sure that was the best strategy to change people's opinion of you. No idea why that didn't work out.

[solarcadet]

Only the mods can stop me if I break rules. I'm here to stay and follow all rules and keep sourcing books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[skypinkblu]

Only the mods can stop me if I break rules. I'm here to stay and follow all rules and keep sourcing books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a question, why are you so eager to stay here?

 

 

[skypinkblu]

Forgive me, but I don't think I understand the premise of the HOS as well as I thought I did.

 

The PL is for specific transaction(s) that can be remedied by the offending party. The HOS is for a consistent pattern of egregious behavior.

 

But what constitutes egregious? Several veteran members consistently use the phrase "worst of the worst". But that's equally vague.

 

In this discussion, "worst of the worst" is defined as stealing and threats of physical violence. But aren't those banning offenses? So if the behavior that qualifies a member for the HOS is the same as that which would get them banned, doesn't that make the HOS nomination a bit pointless?

 

My understanding is that, in practical terms, the HOS nomination really doesn't do anything to the offending party. They are neither restricted being a member, posting or even conducting sales. As far a I can tell, the HOS simply serves as a cautionary tool for those who choose to avail themselves of it (and many don't).

 

When I see members who seem eager to nominate offenders to the HOS and veterans who consistently take exception to these nominations as "not being serious enough" and then I reflect on the actual consequences of the HOS (or lack thereof) I have to wonder if both sides perhaps have an exaggerated view of the seriousness of the HOS.

 

I have read several comments from members hypothesizing about a punishment in between the PL and HOS. This assumes that the HOS is the most serious punishment the community can hand out.

 

But again, if the qualifying offenses for the HOS are also merit banning, doesn't that make banning by the administration the most serious punishment? Could the HOS be the "in-between" punishment everyone's been seeking?

 

Some have suggested that as long as a person is willing to "make it right" they don't qualify for the HOS. But Beerbohn, after months of stalling, finally shipped $3000 worth of pulps. Does that mean he gets to come off? Even though his banned?

 

I'm not trying to be snarky or start an argument. I genuinely asking. I'm relatively new here and I'm just trying to wrap my head around what the community originally intended when they created the HOS.

 

We can't ban members. We can ask to have someone banned, but it's not something we have ANY control over. Many times we won't even get an answer, so HOS remains the highest level that we as boarders can use to sanction someone.

 

I guess from my experience in management, I've learned to try to solve things using the lowest level possible, saving the highest levels of punishment (in my case firing someone) for the worst of the worst. It sets a tone for others. If you fire a whole bunch of people for medium minor stuff, you will just upset others in the group, even when that was not your intention.

 

If we had the authority to ban, we'd have a stronger layer, but we don't have that authority.

 

I'm not going to argue against his being there now. It's fine, I think I was trying to agree that we have been using it a little more liberally than before and I'd like to keep it a strong condemnation.

 

With the continuing attitude he's shown, I am perfectly fine with him being on the list and I apologize for mentioning him and not speaking in general. I was wrong.

[skypinkblu]

Only the mods can stop me if I break rules. I'm here to stay and follow all rules and keep sourcing books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not Cal, I don't normally make phone calls to CGC, but if your attitude continues, I'm going to solicit people to join me in making them.

 

[comix4fun]

Only the mods can stop me if I break rules. I'm here to stay and follow all rules and keep sourcing books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Channeling previously banned members is a wonderful strategy.

 

Keep up the good work.

 

[skypinkblu]

I want to preface this with the fact that I have the utmost respect for SPB, I think we all do, because of her insightful posts and even nature.

 

This however outlines a point I made earlier about voting while everyone is heated about a subject.

 

This is from today:

 

Lying about your father dying...well, that's just plain juvenile and sad. It is not however, HOS material. I won't buy from that person because of his actions, but he belongs in the "cooler" not death row.

 

This is from January after I started a poll to remove SC from the HOS:

 

Since Hall of Shame is the best we can do under these circumstances and we don't have another place where you can stand in the corner till you grow up...I'm going to vote that you stay in the Hall of Shame.

 

Again, I'm not attacking or bashing SkyPinkBlue in any way. She's just an example of how our views change when we digest a topic and react without all that "rrrrrrrrrrrr" going on in our minds.

 

You are absolutely right. Truth is, I've had a lot of stuff going on lately (nothing bad, I'm in the middle of moving )and I didn't remember the whole scenario from before. I should have done some research before I posted again.

 

I was on the fence before, but he pushed me over. I was on the fence again because I just didn't remember all the facts, but his continual flaunting of the opinions of the community have just shown me that he really does not deserve any leniency. Unfortunately, I think the flaunting is even worse than the original acts.

[Jeffro.]

Only the mods can stop me if I break rules. I'm here to stay and follow all rules and keep sourcing books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a question, why are you so eager to stay here?

 

 

He lacks the self respect to do the decent thing and leave on his own. Instead he has chosen to effectively flip the bird at the entire board with his poor attitude.

[skypinkblu]

Only the mods can stop me if I break rules. I'm here to stay and follow all rules and keep sourcing books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Channeling previously banned members is a wonderful strategy.

 

Keep up the good work.

 

It's Deja Vu all over again;)

[skypinkblu]

Only the mods can stop me if I break rules. I'm here to stay and follow all rules and keep sourcing books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a question, why are you so eager to stay here?

 

 

He lacks the self respect to do the decent thing and leave on his own. Instead he has chosen to effectively flip the bird at the entire board with his poor attitude.

 

No fair answering for him...I knew YOU knew the answer;)

[Hado]

I want to preface this with the fact that I have the utmost respect for SPB, I think we all do, because of her insightful posts and even nature.

 

This however outlines a point I made earlier about voting while everyone is heated about a subject.

 

This is from today:

 

Lying about your father dying...well, that's just plain juvenile and sad. It is not however, HOS material. I won't buy from that person because of his actions, but he belongs in the "cooler" not death row.

 

This is from January after I started a poll to remove SC from the HOS:

 

Since Hall of Shame is the best we can do under these circumstances and we don't have another place where you can stand in the corner till you grow up...I'm going to vote that you stay in the Hall of Shame.

 

Again, I'm not attacking or bashing SkyPinkBlue in any way. She's just an example of how our views change when we digest a topic and react without all that "rrrrrrrrrrrr" going on in our minds.

 

You are absolutely right. Truth is, I've had a lot of stuff going on lately (nothing bad, I'm in the middle of moving )and I didn't remember the whole scenario from before. I should have done some research before I posted again.

 

I was on the fence before, but he pushed me over. I was on the fence again because I just didn't remember all the facts, but his continual flaunting of the opinions of the community have just shown me that he really does not deserve any leniency. Unfortunately, I think the flaunting is even worse than the original acts.

Again, I'm not trying to single you out.

 

It was just interesting how moods or opinions soften. I can also see how the negative thoughts or opinions rise again when they're back in the forefront of your mind.

 

[comix4fun]

Only the mods can stop me if I break rules. I'm here to stay and follow all rules and keep sourcing books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Channeling previously banned members is a wonderful strategy.

 

Keep up the good work.

 

It's Deja Vu all over again;)

 

 

If he orders the Creme Brulee, and grows out his bangs, I'm calling shenanigans.