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Pedigree Auction Sales and Relistings. Legit?

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Captain Tripps

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Hedge,

 

Sorry to make you nervous, etc. I will never divulge a customer's name and info. to anyone. That info. is very important to me and my business. It was only in responding to these allegations that I would ever give up a consignor's name, and only to a person who is not a competitor of mine (for obvious reasons) and in total confidence with the strictest understanding that the info. would never be revealed to anyone else.

 

Of course, the consignor would have to give me his permission first. I wouldn't give that info. without his permission, NEVER. Some consignors I'm sure would have a serious problem with their identity being revealed, and understandably so, while others may not.

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I've bid on about five items in Pedigree auctions... at least one was in excess of $10k. Every time I wound up winning at the maximum bid I placed. Could be just coincidence I suppose, but with the rest of the history there I've decided to no longer participate in Pedigree auctions.

 

 

As I have posted numerous times, Doug has gone above and beyond helping me find some of my grails. His unconditional love for the Dead aids in my gratitude to Doug mind you. :insane:

 

I have to say, I am +1 to what "taxguy" wrote. There has been a few books and one above $10k too, that I have won exactly to my maximum bid. Furthermore......I HAVE also had this happen more than once to me on C-LINK'S Auctions TOO. :baiting:

 

As this thread seems to show, MANY Comic Auction Sites seem to all have certain commanalities. :gossip:

 

 

 

 

 

I generally bid pretty aggressively for the stuff I really want and while I have had the same thing happen to me on Clink and Heritage it has not been a common situation. In most cases, I wind up getting outbid on Clink and Heritage... and I have also gotten great deals on both. But on Pedigree, I'm batting about a 1.000... my maximum has won just about every time... particularly on the big dollar stuff. Can't say for sure if there are shenanigans going on there or not, but I do know that there are plenty of ways for me to get the books I want and so I choose not to worry about whether or not Pedigree is ripping me off by simply not participating.

 

 

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In looking at Bob Storms thread, there was a discussion on ASM #6 CGC 9.4. Interestingly enough, I've been tracking that book (along with others) and it's sales price. One of the auctions I've been tracking is Pedigree Auctions.

 

Speaking of which, Pedigree sold the AS #6 9.4 for $7,500 in their last auction with CGC serial number: 0952657001.

 

The same book is up for sale in their inventory for $10,000.

 

The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29067

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29067

 

This is the case with numerous other books including Avengers #4 CGC 9.4 serial number 0994473001 which sold for $15,666 and is back in inventory for sale at $25,000. The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29226

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29226

 

The Avengers #4 9.4 has sold in more than 1 auction with no reserve and it is put back into his inventory at his ask price every time. It is my understanding that Doug owns this book and the AS #6 CGC 9.4 as well as other examples.

 

Here's another example. This time a Mound City purchase:

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=30211

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=30211

 

This Flash #129 CGC 9.4 sold for $500 in the auction. Now it is listed back in his inventory for $2,500.

 

On a personal level, I like Doug and hold no ill will. I don't like what's happened in the past with the way he's handled a few things and I'll let the facts speak for themselves here.

 

Yes, a buyer could have backed out multiple times. Yes, I believe it's more likely that N.P. Gresham's twin brother is bidding on books at Pedigree.

 

 

I don't know what is what about this, but seems to me that a buyer could have picked up a deal on a book and listed the book for sale in the marketplace section right away. I have personally done this on comiclink, even using the scan from the auction.

Man, I wish I had enough time in my life to keep up with what everyone else is doing. :baiting:

 

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Mere speculation.

 

He sends them data? If that's how it works, than the data is specious at best. :grin:

 

It's a little more than speculation--I've bought and sold many books through Pedigree the last 4-5 years, and pretty much every one I've looked up in GPA to see if it made it in there. Why would the frequency at which he submits data make it more or less specious? GPA is lucky to be getting any data at all from dealers and auction houses, many won't send them anything--I doubt George cares when he gets data, as long as he does get it.

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In looking at Bob Storms thread, there was a discussion on ASM #6 CGC 9.4. Interestingly enough, I've been tracking that book (along with others) and it's sales price. One of the auctions I've been tracking is Pedigree Auctions.

 

Speaking of which, Pedigree sold the AS #6 9.4 for $7,500 in their last auction with CGC serial number: 0952657001.

 

The same book is up for sale in their inventory for $10,000.

 

The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29067

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29067

 

This is the case with numerous other books including Avengers #4 CGC 9.4 serial number 0994473001 which sold for $15,666 and is back in inventory for sale at $25,000. The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29226

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29226

 

The Avengers #4 9.4 has sold in more than 1 auction with no reserve and it is put back into his inventory at his ask price every time. It is my understanding that Doug owns this book and the AS #6 CGC 9.4 as well as other examples.

 

Here's another example. This time a Mound City purchase:

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=30211

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=30211

 

This Flash #129 CGC 9.4 sold for $500 in the auction. Now it is listed back in his inventory for $2,500.

 

On a personal level, I like Doug and hold no ill will. I don't like what's happened in the past with the way he's handled a few things and I'll let the facts speak for themselves here.

 

Yes, a buyer could have backed out multiple times. Yes, I believe it's more likely that N.P. Gresham's twin brother is bidding on books at Pedigree.

 

 

I don't know what is what about this, but seems to me that a buyer could have picked up a deal on a book and listed the book for sale in the marketplace section right away. I have personally done this on comiclink, even using the scan from the auction.

Man, I wish I had enough time in my life to keep up with what everyone else is doing. :baiting:

 

Dale,

 

That's not the problem. If you click on the direct link, the final price is $0.00. But the books actually sold at auction.

 

Brent

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Divad,

 

You can ask George yourself if you'd like. I do not actually have to manually send them any data, unless a book sells "off" of my site (like the TTA #27 9.4 last month). My web designer set it up so that when a book is paid for and shipped, I will click a "book shipped" email in the database to let the buyer know the book is on the way to him (or her). At the same time, an email is auto-generated to the consignor letting him know the item has been shipped and that payment for the book is forthcoming. And, a third email is auto-generated to George at GPA giving him all the book data so he can include it in the GPA report, etc. I believe it gives all the relevant info. he needs, including page quality and CGC cert. #.

 

 

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In looking at Bob Storms thread, there was a discussion on ASM #6 CGC 9.4. Interestingly enough, I've been tracking that book (along with others) and it's sales price. One of the auctions I've been tracking is Pedigree Auctions.

 

Speaking of which, Pedigree sold the AS #6 9.4 for $7,500 in their last auction with CGC serial number: 0952657001.

 

The same book is up for sale in their inventory for $10,000.

 

The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29067

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29067

 

This is the case with numerous other books including Avengers #4 CGC 9.4 serial number 0994473001 which sold for $15,666 and is back in inventory for sale at $25,000. The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29226

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29226

 

The Avengers #4 9.4 has sold in more than 1 auction with no reserve and it is put back into his inventory at his ask price every time. It is my understanding that Doug owns this book and the AS #6 CGC 9.4 as well as other examples.

 

Here's another example. This time a Mound City purchase:

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=30211

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=30211

 

This Flash #129 CGC 9.4 sold for $500 in the auction. Now it is listed back in his inventory for $2,500.

 

On a personal level, I like Doug and hold no ill will. I don't like what's happened in the past with the way he's handled a few things and I'll let the facts speak for themselves here.

 

Yes, a buyer could have backed out multiple times. Yes, I believe it's more likely that N.P. Gresham's twin brother is bidding on books at Pedigree.

 

 

I don't know what is what about this, but seems to me that a buyer could have picked up a deal on a book and listed the book for sale in the marketplace section right away. I have personally done this on comiclink, even using the scan from the auction.

Man, I wish I had enough time in my life to keep up with what everyone else is doing. :baiting:

 

Dale,

 

That's not the problem. If you click on the direct link, the final price is $0.00. But the books actually sold at auction.

 

Brent

 

Brent,

Maybe the buyer told him he would relist the book back on the site if he would remove the previous sale(making it easier to sell the book). I don't know, and I don't honestly care. It isn't my business. I just don't understand the rush to assume the worst about people. But maybe thats just me.

Dale

 

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When George and I were talking about me sending in sales data, this is pretty much what he asked of me. Send it book, grade, price, cert # and do it on a regular schedule (once a month or so, whatever worked for me). I just decided it was more time I didn't have to waste.

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Flame,

 

They will be. I am sending George an article with the list of the auction books that sold for his newsletter this month since I am not physically shipping some of these books out as they were consigned back. The books from the auction that have already shipped (only 20 or so so far) he has received the auto-generated email and has that data for GPA.

 

Just understand how much work goes into it as I will also have to give George the CGC cert. #s on the books that don't physically ship. It takes a lot of time.

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Mere speculation.

 

He sends them data? If that's how it works, than the data is specious at best. :grin:

 

It's a little more than speculation--I've bought and sold many books through Pedigree the last 4-5 years, and pretty much every one I've looked up in GPA to see if it made it in there. Why would the frequency at which he submits data make it more or less specious?

 

I can't think of a reason why it would be specious either, outside of trying to come up with as man many "S" words to keep speculation and suspicion company.

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In looking at Bob Storms thread, there was a discussion on ASM #6 CGC 9.4. Interestingly enough, I've been tracking that book (along with others) and it's sales price. One of the auctions I've been tracking is Pedigree Auctions.

 

Speaking of which, Pedigree sold the AS #6 9.4 for $7,500 in their last auction with CGC serial number: 0952657001.

 

The same book is up for sale in their inventory for $10,000.

 

The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29067

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29067

 

This is the case with numerous other books including Avengers #4 CGC 9.4 serial number 0994473001 which sold for $15,666 and is back in inventory for sale at $25,000. The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29226

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29226

 

The Avengers #4 9.4 has sold in more than 1 auction with no reserve and it is put back into his inventory at his ask price every time. It is my understanding that Doug owns this book and the AS #6 CGC 9.4 as well as other examples.

 

Here's another example. This time a Mound City purchase:

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=30211

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=30211

 

This Flash #129 CGC 9.4 sold for $500 in the auction. Now it is listed back in his inventory for $2,500.

 

On a personal level, I like Doug and hold no ill will. I don't like what's happened in the past with the way he's handled a few things and I'll let the facts speak for themselves here.

 

Yes, a buyer could have backed out multiple times. Yes, I believe it's more likely that N.P. Gresham's twin brother is bidding on books at Pedigree.

 

 

I don't know what is what about this, but seems to me that a buyer could have picked up a deal on a book and listed the book for sale in the marketplace section right away. I have personally done this on comiclink, even using the scan from the auction.

Man, I wish I had enough time in my life to keep up with what everyone else is doing. :baiting:

 

Dale,

 

That's not the problem. If you click on the direct link, the final price is $0.00. But the books actually sold at auction.

 

Brent

 

Brent,

Maybe the buyer told him he would relist the book back on the site if he would remove the previous sale(making it easier to sell the book). I don't know, and I don't honestly care. It isn't my business. I just don't understand the rush to assume the worst about people. But maybe thats just me.

Dale

 

Dale, if that's true, then it's data manipulation.

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In looking at Bob Storms thread, there was a discussion on ASM #6 CGC 9.4. Interestingly enough, I've been tracking that book (along with others) and it's sales price. One of the auctions I've been tracking is Pedigree Auctions.

 

Speaking of which, Pedigree sold the AS #6 9.4 for $7,500 in their last auction with CGC serial number: 0952657001.

 

The same book is up for sale in their inventory for $10,000.

 

The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29067

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29067

 

This is the case with numerous other books including Avengers #4 CGC 9.4 serial number 0994473001 which sold for $15,666 and is back in inventory for sale at $25,000. The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29226

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29226

 

The Avengers #4 9.4 has sold in more than 1 auction with no reserve and it is put back into his inventory at his ask price every time. It is my understanding that Doug owns this book and the AS #6 CGC 9.4 as well as other examples.

 

Here's another example. This time a Mound City purchase:

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=30211

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=30211

 

This Flash #129 CGC 9.4 sold for $500 in the auction. Now it is listed back in his inventory for $2,500.

 

On a personal level, I like Doug and hold no ill will. I don't like what's happened in the past with the way he's handled a few things and I'll let the facts speak for themselves here.

 

Yes, a buyer could have backed out multiple times. Yes, I believe it's more likely that N.P. Gresham's twin brother is bidding on books at Pedigree.

 

 

I don't know what is what about this, but seems to me that a buyer could have picked up a deal on a book and listed the book for sale in the marketplace section right away. I have personally done this on comiclink, even using the scan from the auction.

Man, I wish I had enough time in my life to keep up with what everyone else is doing. :baiting:

 

Dale,

 

That's not the problem. If you click on the direct link, the final price is $0.00. But the books actually sold at auction.

 

Brent

 

Brent,

Maybe the buyer told him he would relist the book back on the site if he would remove the previous sale(making it easier to sell the book). I don't know, and I don't honestly care. It isn't my business. I just don't understand the rush to assume the worst about people. But maybe thats just me.

Dale

 

Dale,

 

There are over 100 examples in his last auction. 20% of the books in his auction were sold at auction with no reserve and subsequently removed from the auction results. Then relisted immediately back on the site. And this happens every auction recently.

 

And yes, I do care. If you don't, then don't post.

 

Brent

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Could somebody confirm or deny whether the books that have been identified here have or have not been reported to GPA as sales? (shrug)

 

1) The books have been removed from the auction results. Thus the price says $0.00 in the auction listing. I have direct links. If you go to the auction results listings, you won't see these books.

 

2) Since sales are recorded when payment is made? GPA may not receive results for awhile on this auction. But, if the final price in these auctions are $0.00 and they don't show up in the auction results listings, I'm not sure what would be reported.

 

3) There were nearly 500 books in Doug's auction. Now there are only 383 books in the auction results listings. That includes books that didn't meet reserve. The books that don't show up in the auction listings results generally a) sold for below market value according to GPA and b) were sold at no reserve.

 

4) A few of these books have been sold in MULTIPLE auctions, pulled from Auction Results, relisted on the site immediately following the auction, and then sold in the next auction, only to be pulled from the auction results AGAIN.

 

Please respond to these statements Doug.

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Since we're talking about GPA now, it reminded me of why I consign only through Pedigree--it's entirely because he reports to GPA. It's senseless for ComicLink to not do it, so I choose not to use them for now because he's hogging all the data for himself. It's not ComicLink's to hog, he holds no copyright on it, he only has it because it comes into him. Not sharing the data with his customers via his own site or via GPA makes no sense to me with the amount of money he's making. :screwy:

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In looking at Bob Storms thread, there was a discussion on ASM #6 CGC 9.4. Interestingly enough, I've been tracking that book (along with others) and it's sales price. One of the auctions I've been tracking is Pedigree Auctions.

 

Speaking of which, Pedigree sold the AS #6 9.4 for $7,500 in their last auction with CGC serial number: 0952657001.

 

The same book is up for sale in their inventory for $10,000.

 

The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29067

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29067

 

This is the case with numerous other books including Avengers #4 CGC 9.4 serial number 0994473001 which sold for $15,666 and is back in inventory for sale at $25,000. The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29226

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29226

 

The Avengers #4 9.4 has sold in more than 1 auction with no reserve and it is put back into his inventory at his ask price every time. It is my understanding that Doug owns this book and the AS #6 CGC 9.4 as well as other examples.

 

Here's another example. This time a Mound City purchase:

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=30211

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=30211

 

This Flash #129 CGC 9.4 sold for $500 in the auction. Now it is listed back in his inventory for $2,500.

 

On a personal level, I like Doug and hold no ill will. I don't like what's happened in the past with the way he's handled a few things and I'll let the facts speak for themselves here.

 

Yes, a buyer could have backed out multiple times. Yes, I believe it's more likely that N.P. Gresham's twin brother is bidding on books at Pedigree.

 

 

I don't know what is what about this, but seems to me that a buyer could have picked up a deal on a book and listed the book for sale in the marketplace section right away. I have personally done this on comiclink, even using the scan from the auction.

Man, I wish I had enough time in my life to keep up with what everyone else is doing. :baiting:

 

Dale,

 

That's not the problem. If you click on the direct link, the final price is $0.00. But the books actually sold at auction.

 

Brent

 

Brent,

Maybe the buyer told him he would relist the book back on the site if he would remove the previous sale(making it easier to sell the book). I don't know, and I don't honestly care. It isn't my business. I just don't understand the rush to assume the worst about people. But maybe thats just me.

Dale

 

Dale, if that's true, then it's data manipulation.

 

That may be true, (well, it would actually be date removal, which is not the same as manipulation) but it is his data, so he can do with it as he desires. It is not illegal or even immoral.

 

 

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In looking at Bob Storms thread, there was a discussion on ASM #6 CGC 9.4. Interestingly enough, I've been tracking that book (along with others) and it's sales price. One of the auctions I've been tracking is Pedigree Auctions.

 

Speaking of which, Pedigree sold the AS #6 9.4 for $7,500 in their last auction with CGC serial number: 0952657001.

 

The same book is up for sale in their inventory for $10,000.

 

The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29067

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29067

 

This is the case with numerous other books including Avengers #4 CGC 9.4 serial number 0994473001 which sold for $15,666 and is back in inventory for sale at $25,000. The book has been removed from the auction results.

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=29226

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=29226

 

The Avengers #4 9.4 has sold in more than 1 auction with no reserve and it is put back into his inventory at his ask price every time. It is my understanding that Doug owns this book and the AS #6 CGC 9.4 as well as other examples.

 

Here's another example. This time a Mound City purchase:

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=30211

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/auction-detail.php?issue_id=30211

 

This Flash #129 CGC 9.4 sold for $500 in the auction. Now it is listed back in his inventory for $2,500.

 

On a personal level, I like Doug and hold no ill will. I don't like what's happened in the past with the way he's handled a few things and I'll let the facts speak for themselves here.

 

Yes, a buyer could have backed out multiple times. Yes, I believe it's more likely that N.P. Gresham's twin brother is bidding on books at Pedigree.

 

 

I don't know what is what about this, but seems to me that a buyer could have picked up a deal on a book and listed the book for sale in the marketplace section right away. I have personally done this on comiclink, even using the scan from the auction.

Man, I wish I had enough time in my life to keep up with what everyone else is doing. :baiting:

 

Dale,

 

That's not the problem. If you click on the direct link, the final price is $0.00. But the books actually sold at auction.

 

Brent

 

Brent,

Maybe the buyer told him he would relist the book back on the site if he would remove the previous sale(making it easier to sell the book). I don't know, and I don't honestly care. It isn't my business. I just don't understand the rush to assume the worst about people. But maybe thats just me.

Dale

 

Dale,

 

There are over 100 examples in his last auction. 20% of the books in his auction were sold at auction with no reserve and subsequently removed from the auction results. Then relisted immediately back on the site. And this happens every auction recently.

 

And yes, I do care. If you don't, then don't post.

 

Brent

 

Brent,

Sorry, I didn't realize you were now Chairman of Board Postings too? I will ask your permission from now on.

Dale

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