adamstrange Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Nedors had a little bit different distribution that other publishers. For instance I have heard that Nedors were the only comics available through the train system in the North East and some kids made special trips to the train stations to keep up with The Black Terror and Fighting Yank. In the Mile High collection they have a C-code marking, different than the usual D-code on most of the other books. I suspect it is possible that if there were Nedors in the San Fransiscos they would have something other than the usual G-code. And now that Beerbohm has read this completely pie-in-the-sky conjecture hopefully he can incorporate it into his fanciful narrative. Nearmint is much more of a Nedor specialist than I am, but I can't recall any pedigree quality Nedors that share a common distributor code, unless it's one of the recognized codes like Church or Penn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mmehdy Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I was at the Berkeley con when nick brought the stack of books in.. I saw them they looked great , I cannot recall but I think the price was under 10 bucks a book they were showing them off ... Great books... Bob should not be banned forever...not on this board... His information is far to valuable to be dismissed. The Facebook post is full of frustration.. But it still clearly informs on the second most important collection ever discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearmint Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Nedors had a little bit different distribution that other publishers. For instance I have heard that Nedors were the only comics available through the train system in the North East and some kids made special trips to the train stations to keep up with The Black Terror and Fighting Yank. In the Mile High collection they have a C-code marking, different than the usual D-code on most of the other books. I suspect it is possible that if there were Nedors in the San Fransiscos they would have something other than the usual G-code. And now that Beerbohm has read this completely pie-in-the-sky conjecture hopefully he can incorporate it into his fanciful narrative. Nearmint is much more of a Nedor specialist than I am, but I can't recall any pedigree quality Nedors that share a common distributor code, unless it's one of the recognized codes like Church or Penn. I'd add Okajimas to that list, but that's it. I searched high and low for a SF Nedor. I spoke to CGC, they've never graded one. I spoke to Metro, they've never bought or sold one. I spoke to multiple dealers with no luck. The only unrecognized pedigree-quality Nedors I've encountered are the Charles Strong books. Stunning books, but they aren't coded, and the collection would have been too small to quality as a ped. Here's an example, no longer my copy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Nedors had a little bit different distribution that other publishers. For instance I have heard that Nedors were the only comics available through the train system in the North East and some kids made special trips to the train stations to keep up with The Black Terror and Fighting Yank. In the Mile High collection they have a C-code marking, different than the usual D-code on most of the other books. I suspect it is possible that if there were Nedors in the San Fransiscos they would have something other than the usual G-code. And now that Beerbohm has read this completely pie-in-the-sky conjecture hopefully he can incorporate it into his fanciful narrative. Nearmint is much more of a Nedor specialist than I am, but I can't recall any pedigree quality Nedors that share a common distributor code, unless it's one of the recognized codes like Church or Penn. I'd add Okajimas to that list, but that's it. I searched high and low for a SF Nedor. I spoke to CGC, they've never graded one. I spoke to Metro, they've never bought or sold one. I spoke to multiple dealers with no luck. The only unrecognized pedigree-quality Nedors I've encountered are the Charles Strong books. Stunning books, but they aren't coded, and the collection would have been too small to quality as a ped. Here's an example, no longer my copy... Thanks, Jeff and what a lovely book! I've seen pedigree quality Nedors with distributor codes but not more than a couple with the same code, if there was any code at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBedrock Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Manyak mentioned to me that the first pallet of books he and Nick bought were roughly 60 in number for $1,000. Bob says they only paid a dollar a book. $60? And he says that Mike and Nick were ethically challenged. Who are we to believe? memories are fading so I dunno . At $1000, that's less than $17 per book. Mike did say they paid roughly 40% of guide back then. Mike thinks the Cap 1 would grade a 9.0 today from what he remembers. What would 40% of guide been back then? I only have the 1980 guide as my oldest. At that time Guide on a Cap 1 would have been well under $1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBedrock Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Wish I knew the back story on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacentaur Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 very disappointing read-- no mention at all of his hips. Was there mention of how he discovered electricity, or was best friends with Elvis (well, only after he died of course)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Wish I knew the back story on this one... Wish I owned that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 We are kind of like the college kid who opens his final exam only to find there are big gaps in his knowledge: "If I knew this stuff was going to turn out to be important I'd have paid closer attention and asked more questions when I still had the chance." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
originalisbest Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 very disappointing read-- no mention at all of his hips. Was there mention of how he discovered electricity, or was best friends with Elvis (well, only after he died of course)? Only the occasional mentions of what a thief and liar you happen to be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw-Man Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 beerbong v. steve in an honesty race; beerbong has a better chance against bolt in a 100m one. oooh, this might be a bad analogy--he does have new hips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 very disappointing read-- no mention at all of his hips. Was there mention of how he discovered electricity, or was best friends with Elvis (well, only after he died of course)? Only the occasional mentions of what a thief and liar you happen to be! . I believe it is shameful the way the board members are conducting themselves , I believe that bob says that a purchase was not completed in regards to some lobby cards or whatever.... That does not give anybody license to make fun of medical conditions in which someday you might be on the receiving end. If you are going to attack bob while he has no means to defend himself on this board ... I ask the moderators to lift the ban in order that he be able to defend himself and explain himself in reguards to his Facebook post. Bob has the right to answer Steve and whole host of other comments... He was there' for the Riley collection... I bought books from him directly... I know of one collector who bought possibly 1000 of them or close to that... The answers are out there but not very much longer...who supports my motion to bring bob back on??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 If some body can conduct a poll to vote that would be great BBBO poll (bring bob back on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Mitch, I think you're going to be alone on that one, but yeah, medical conditions should be offside, there's no need to go there. Question - if you know one collector that bought 1000 of them, how does that jive with Bob's mention that he only ever sold 4-5 at a time? Are you at liberty to say anything about who that might have been or what books they might have been? Its unfortunate that there aren't more hard details about these books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBedrock Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I too wish Bob were allowed back on here to post. That is one entertaining dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I believe it is shameful the way the board members are conducting themselves , I believe that bob says that a purchase was not completed in regards to some lobby cards or whatever.... That does not give anybody license to make fun of medical conditions in which someday you might be on the receiving end. If you are going to attack bob while he has no means to defend himself on this board ... I ask the moderators to lift the ban in order that he be able to defend himself and explain himself in reguards to his Facebook post. Bob has the right to answer Steve and whole host of other comments... He was there' for the Riley collection... I bought books from him directly... I know of one collector who bought possibly 1000 of them or close to that... The answers are out there but not very much longer...who supports my motion to bring bob back on??? Robert Beerbohm and Steven Carey are clearly in a match. I'd rather see them carry it on in private. I don't doubt that Bob is providing his best recollection of the story of the collection because nothing that Bob has said has been contradicted by any of the other witnesses (Mehdy, Plant, etc.), and my guess is that there are other witnesses out there that might be able to comment (what about long time Berkeley comic guys like James Friel?). But, recollections are fraught with inaccuracies -- especially when we're talking about details dating back to the early 70s (a very long time ago and that decade was hard on many). Still, Bob has given some good leads for someone who wants to pursue them. Moraga is not a big town. A property record search of Moraga would probably be helpful. Perhaps a Cal medical licensing search might also be good. Piedmont is not a big town. A property record search might put to rest whether there even was a Reilly family in Piedmont back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) I believe there were 3 major purchases of the collection besides the stack nick got. It here could be 4 ... I believe one collector bought one complete purchase in San Diego ... It could of been 700 or 1000.....that is what I understand ... Those never hit the store and the limit, here is what li know on the big books no superman 1 O2 .... Action started at 14. ... So no one but det 27 and 29. No 28 .... It's possible that ha cc copy was a sf book or condition very similar,,,, the whiz 2 sold to Burrell for 2500 or something close to that... Nice run starting at 1 for mystery men also. Etc etc Edited May 5, 2015 by Mmehdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 very disappointing read-- no mention at all of his hips. Was there mention of how he discovered electricity, or was best friends with Elvis (well, only after he died of course)? Only the occasional mentions of what a thief and liar you happen to be! . I believe it is shameful the way the board members are conducting themselves , I believe that bob says that a purchase was not completed in regards to some lobby cards or whatever.... That does not give anybody license to make fun of medical conditions in which someday you might be on the receiving end. If you are going to attack bob while he has no means to defend himself on this board ... I ask the moderators to lift the ban in order that he be able to defend himself and explain himself in reguards to his Facebook post. Bob has the right to answer Steve and whole host of other comments... He was there' for the Riley collection... I bought books from him directly... I know of one collector who bought possibly 1000 of them or close to that... The answers are out there but not very much longer...who supports my motion to bring bob back on??? Without minimizing the grievances a number of people have against BLB, I enjoyed and profited from many of his posts when he was on the boards. He has a great collection and I found his discussion of the Victorian and Platinum eras quite interesting. That said, so far as I know, CGC has only once rescinded a ban against a member. Given BLB's violent antipathy toward CGC, I can't imagine that they would allow him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Mitch, I think you're going to be alone on that one, but yeah, medical conditions should be offside, there's no need to go there. Question - if you know one collector that bought 1000 of them, how does that jive with Bob's mention that he only ever sold 4-5 at a time? Are you at liberty to say anything about who that might have been or what books they might have been? Its unfortunate that there aren't more hard details about these books. Mitch also said he was allowed to exceed the limit. So the guys Bob liked got special access. Presumably Bob could answer the question of who bought the bulk of the collection -- but my guess would be Mitch's old mate Theo. Here's a story Mitch once told: Looking back at the 70?s, one of the most significant deals took place in 1972 between Theo Holstein, the San Francisco Comic Book Company/Gary Arlington, and myself. Gary?s ?EC Collection? was legendary as he purchased comic books off the newsstand stand as they were issued. Theo Holstein and other collectors, which knew about his renowned EC collection, wanted to buy his set of EC comics, but Gary wouldn?t sell it to anyone. Theo came to me with an idea that we go visit Gary at his comic book store with a briefcase, and pull money out of that briefcase and throw it on his counter. I suggested to Theo that if we did follow through on doing this sale with Gary, we should bring an abundance of $5 and $10 bills to create an illusion that we retained thousands of dollars in the briefcase. Theo and I took the risk and threw a stack of cash down on Gary?s counter like the money meant nothing. Gary?s eyes lit up like a fluorescent Christmas tree. Gary shut the store down immediately and rushed home with excitement in his eyes at the pitch he was just given by Theo and I. Gary returned with two large stacks of ?newsstand fresh? EC comic books. When Theo and I were done purchasing, we accumulated most of the ?heart-and-soul? of his collection. Theo and I split the deal with Theo getting 70% of the comic books. This was the first, or one of the first, pedigree collections ever purchased. When Comics and Comics of Berkley sold the San Francisco/Tom Riley collection, I thought their prices of the comic books were high, but I decided to purchase the comic books anyway. Since I was primarily a golden age collector at the time, I brought down my portion of the Gary Arlington EC comic books to trade with Comics and Comics for issues of the San Francisco Collection only. Bob Beerbohm was at the counter and smiled when he saw the legendary copies of the EC comic books. Theo, who was with me, had been begging me to not trade the EC comic books. In desperation, Theo panicked and said, ?Don?t sell them! Don?t sell them! Okay! I?ll buy them all!? He bought my entire portion of the EC comic book collection as Bob Beerbohm was grading and reviewing the EC issues. Theo said that I was foolish for trading the EC issues to Comics and Comics for San Francisco golden age comics. I told Theo that the San Francisco golden age comic books were superior in value than the EC issues. Looking from the present to the past, I was correct and I almost traded pedigree comics for Pedigree comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
