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ive said it before, and i'll say it again. for those of you that were collecting in 2011 (i wasnt), i cant see why you didnt stock up on these

 

i was too busy buying apple at $400, why weren't you?

 

see the "i wasnt collecting at the time"? :)

I think he's referring to the company Apple :gossip:

 

if this were a stock market board, i'd totally agree lol

 

in hindsight, everything is obvious

 

i hear you, but when they were less then $3 each, what was the harm in buying 10+ copies?

 

if you applied this strategy broadly you would go broke

 

in 2011 you could still be hunting down 2-7 year old issues of WD for $3 or less. heck, i bought the expensive WD weeklies for cover when they had already popped...no risk in that. they were just sitting there in one of my shops, a huge stack of them, #2, #3, #19, #27, etc.

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if you applied this strategy broadly you would go broke

 

in 2011 you could still be hunting down 2-7 year old issues of WD for $3 or less. heck, i bought the expensive WD weeklies for cover when they had already popped...no risk in that. they were just sitting there in one of my shops, a huge stack of them, #2, #3, #19, #27, etc.

 

i absolutely hear what you're saying. i guess a lot of it has to do with how one feels about a particular book as well as what they're willing to spend on their hobby.

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Just to throw a wrench in the tire, I want you to look up the values of these two books:

 

Hulk 180 first appearance of Wolverine, he appears on one page

 

Hulk 181 First Full appearance of Wolverine

 

I have never understood how his appearance in 180 is not a full appearance? It is pretty clear that his first appearance is in 180 unlike other characters first appearances which are mired in ambiguity like Hellboy( SDCC 2/Dime Press 4 ) or the Goon ( Avatar Illustrated /Dreamwalker 0/Best Cellars ).

 

Then there are others like the TMNT. Is Gobbledygook 1, issue 1 of the series or Comic Buyers Guide 547 the first TMNT appearance? Many see issue 1 of the series as the true first appearance because Gobbledygook was not an actual comic and the ad Eastman and Laird took out in the buyer's guide is just that, an ad. If either Gobbledygook 1 or CBG 547 are the first appearance of the TMNT with an ad then why isn't the DC Current's book I have show considered the first appearance of Bane?

I would say the first published appearance of the characters represents the true first appearance ( like Spawn in Malibu Sun 13 ). In the TMNT's case is would be CBG 547 as it predates the convention release of the series issue 1. As far as I can tell there is no publication date for Gobbledygook because it was made with a copy machine. It's all pretty confusing if you ask me.

I'm sure all the argument have been hashed out long before this post concerning all the properties in question but in the case of Wolverine 180 it is quite clear that the first full appearance is in 180 and issue 181 is Wolverine's first appearance on a cover. Sadly too many are invested in the misrepresentation of 181 as the first so we are stuck with it.

 

Once upon a time, you couldn't walk into a comic book store and buy a tpb of every storyline you wanted to read about. There was no internet. I know it's hard to believe but it's true.

The back issue market was primarily driven by the need to READ these stories to find out what happen in them.

So people who were searching for the first 'appearance' of Wolverine, and there came a time when that character started to get really popular so the searching was frantic, didn't want to READ a #180 (all about Wendigo) just for an 'appearance' at the end. They wanted a full story.

And thus, they sought out #181.

In other words, the MARKET decided it was more important.

 

I think 181 was reprinted in about 86 when 181 started to percolate in price, but yes, you're right. at least for the first few bucks of appreciated value, but at some point the price was based on "collectability," not just a desire to read it...Not to mention, Marvel has been reprinting its stuff for years in its various reprint titles..heck, marvel tales reprinted ASM 129 in two separate issues, once in like the late 70s and again 10 years later.

I was flipping through an old Overstreet guide around #10 or so, and I noticed a dealer advertising Hulk 180 for $6.00 and Hulk 181 at $1.25. This was 7-8 years after the issues were released so sometimes this stuff is open for debate for a while.

 

I dont know the story behind that, but over time 181 would be the issue collectors sought out. No one 'decided' it would be 181. The market decided.

In fact it's quite possible dealers considered 180 to be the first appearance, but found it just didn't sell as well as 181.

The reason?

Collectors wanted a full story.

I agree, this is what I was alluding too earlier. "First appearances" can sometimes be a ploy but dealers to move books that they heavily speculated on. Ultimately, the market (the people) decides, and more often than not story wins out over promotional items and cameo's.

 

If a dealer tries to deceive people that's one thing but if he's correct then he has the right to seek profit as well as educate the people who buy and sell in that market.

And again just because something is popular doesn't mean it is always accurate. I know a few folks who heavily invested in BOFA and look how that popular trend worked out for them. They didn't do the research and left the decision up to strangers. Not wise.

What I like about first appearances is that they are black & white. For the last two months I thought Peter Panzerfaust first appeared in Mondo #1. I was wrong.

If a character first appears in some obscure magazine ( Flaming Carrot anyone? ) then that's a fact whether issue one of a regular series is worth more or not.

As far as VALUE is concerned you are correct, " more often than not story wins out over promotional items and cameo's." but value does not replace truth and make 181 Wolverine's first appearance.

 

No one was trying to deceive anyone. If you asked a dealer in 1979 what Wolverine's first appearance was he'd probably say 180, but the first full appearance is 181. Collectors chose over time to focus on the first full appearance and the book went up in value.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, the market has decided it.

What's 'accurate', or what's 'opinion' or what 'strangers' say, doesn't mean a thing.

If you would've spent the last 20 years screaming from the rooftops that "No! 180 is the first appearance! This is the one you should be buying!", you missed out.

Collectors who bought 181, may have been fully aware that 180 is the first actual appearance, it didn't matter to them. No one's doubting that he actually appeared in 180, it's just not as important to the collector.

Facts are facts, but a smart dealer sells what the market asks for.

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first appearance of coulson was on some episode of the new adventures of old christine that was on reruns today. The sound was off but I assume he was there to recruit shield agents.

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first appearance of coulson was on some episode of the new adventures of old christine that was on reruns today. The sound was off but I assume he was there to recruit shield agents.

So would you buy DVDs or BlueRay copies of that episode? hm

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Just to throw a wrench in the tire, I want you to look up the values of these two books:

 

Hulk 180 first appearance of Wolverine, he appears on one page

 

Hulk 181 First Full appearance of Wolverine

 

I have never understood how his appearance in 180 is not a full appearance? It is pretty clear that his first appearance is in 180 unlike other characters first appearances which are mired in ambiguity like Hellboy( SDCC 2/Dime Press 4 ) or the Goon ( Avatar Illustrated /Dreamwalker 0/Best Cellars ).

 

Then there are others like the TMNT. Is Gobbledygook 1, issue 1 of the series or Comic Buyers Guide 547 the first TMNT appearance? Many see issue 1 of the series as the true first appearance because Gobbledygook was not an actual comic and the ad Eastman and Laird took out in the buyer's guide is just that, an ad. If either Gobbledygook 1 or CBG 547 are the first appearance of the TMNT with an ad then why isn't the DC Current's book I have show considered the first appearance of Bane?

I would say the first published appearance of the characters represents the true first appearance ( like Spawn in Malibu Sun 13 ). In the TMNT's case is would be CBG 547 as it predates the convention release of the series issue 1. As far as I can tell there is no publication date for Gobbledygook because it was made with a copy machine. It's all pretty confusing if you ask me.

I'm sure all the argument have been hashed out long before this post concerning all the properties in question but in the case of Wolverine 180 it is quite clear that the first full appearance is in 180 and issue 181 is Wolverine's first appearance on a cover. Sadly too many are invested in the misrepresentation of 181 as the first so we are stuck with it.

 

Once upon a time, you couldn't walk into a comic book store and buy a tpb of every storyline you wanted to read about. There was no internet. I know it's hard to believe but it's true.

The back issue market was primarily driven by the need to READ these stories to find out what happen in them.

So people who were searching for the first 'appearance' of Wolverine, and there came a time when that character started to get really popular so the searching was frantic, didn't want to READ a #180 (all about Wendigo) just for an 'appearance' at the end. They wanted a full story.

And thus, they sought out #181.

In other words, the MARKET decided it was more important.

 

I think 181 was reprinted in about 86 when 181 started to percolate in price, but yes, you're right. at least for the first few bucks of appreciated value, but at some point the price was based on "collectability," not just a desire to read it...Not to mention, Marvel has been reprinting its stuff for years in its various reprint titles..heck, marvel tales reprinted ASM 129 in two separate issues, once in like the late 70s and again 10 years later.

I was flipping through an old Overstreet guide around #10 or so, and I noticed a dealer advertising Hulk 180 for $6.00 and Hulk 181 at $1.25. This was 7-8 years after the issues were released so sometimes this stuff is open for debate for a while.

 

I dont know the story behind that, but over time 181 would be the issue collectors sought out. No one 'decided' it would be 181. The market decided.

In fact it's quite possible dealers considered 180 to be the first appearance, but found it just didn't sell as well as 181.

The reason?

Collectors wanted a full story.

I agree, this is what I was alluding too earlier. "First appearances" can sometimes be a ploy but dealers to move books that they heavily speculated on. Ultimately, the market (the people) decides, and more often than not story wins out over promotional items and cameo's.

 

If a dealer tries to deceive people that's one thing but if he's correct then he has the right to seek profit as well as educate the people who buy and sell in that market.

And again just because something is popular doesn't mean it is always accurate. I know a few folks who heavily invested in BOFA and look how that popular trend worked out for them. They didn't do the research and left the decision up to strangers. Not wise.

What I like about first appearances is that they are black & white. For the last two months I thought Peter Panzerfaust first appeared in Mondo #1. I was wrong.

If a character first appears in some obscure magazine ( Flaming Carrot anyone? ) then that's a fact whether issue one of a regular series is worth more or not.

As far as VALUE is concerned you are correct, " more often than not story wins out over promotional items and cameo's." but value does not replace truth and make 181 Wolverine's first appearance.

 

No one was trying to deceive anyone. If you asked a dealer in 1979 what Wolverine's first appearance was he'd probably say 180, but the first full appearance is 181. Collectors chose over time to focus on the first full appearance and the book went up in value.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, the market has decided it.

What's 'accurate', or what's 'opinion' or what 'strangers' say, doesn't mean a thing.

If you would've spent the last 20 years screaming from the rooftops that "No! 180 is the first appearance! This is the one you should be buying!", you missed out.

Collectors who bought 181, may have been fully aware that 180 is the first actual appearance, it didn't matter to them. No one's doubting that he actually appeared in 180, it's just not as important to the collector.

Facts are facts, but a smart dealer sells what the market asks for.

I agree with this. I was not insinuating that dealers were being outright deceptive. Just that occasionally ( :gossip: even on these boards), someone with a financial stake may push a book as a "true" first appearence reguradless of whether the rest of the hobby agrees with them.
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Just to throw a wrench in the tire, I want you to look up the values of these two books:

 

Hulk 180 first appearance of Wolverine, he appears on one page

 

Hulk 181 First Full appearance of Wolverine

 

I have never understood how his appearance in 180 is not a full appearance? It is pretty clear that his first appearance is in 180 unlike other characters first appearances which are mired in ambiguity like Hellboy( SDCC 2/Dime Press 4 ) or the Goon ( Avatar Illustrated /Dreamwalker 0/Best Cellars ).

 

Then there are others like the TMNT. Is Gobbledygook 1, issue 1 of the series or Comic Buyers Guide 547 the first TMNT appearance? Many see issue 1 of the series as the true first appearance because Gobbledygook was not an actual comic and the ad Eastman and Laird took out in the buyer's guide is just that, an ad. If either Gobbledygook 1 or CBG 547 are the first appearance of the TMNT with an ad then why isn't the DC Current's book I have show considered the first appearance of Bane?

I would say the first published appearance of the characters represents the true first appearance ( like Spawn in Malibu Sun 13 ). In the TMNT's case is would be CBG 547 as it predates the convention release of the series issue 1. As far as I can tell there is no publication date for Gobbledygook because it was made with a copy machine. It's all pretty confusing if you ask me.

I'm sure all the argument have been hashed out long before this post concerning all the properties in question but in the case of Wolverine 180 it is quite clear that the first full appearance is in 180 and issue 181 is Wolverine's first appearance on a cover. Sadly too many are invested in the misrepresentation of 181 as the first so we are stuck with it.

 

Once upon a time, you couldn't walk into a comic book store and buy a tpb of every storyline you wanted to read about. There was no internet. I know it's hard to believe but it's true.

The back issue market was primarily driven by the need to READ these stories to find out what happen in them.

So people who were searching for the first 'appearance' of Wolverine, and there came a time when that character started to get really popular so the searching was frantic, didn't want to READ a #180 (all about Wendigo) just for an 'appearance' at the end. They wanted a full story.

And thus, they sought out #181.

In other words, the MARKET decided it was more important.

 

I think 181 was reprinted in about 86 when 181 started to percolate in price, but yes, you're right. at least for the first few bucks of appreciated value, but at some point the price was based on "collectability," not just a desire to read it...Not to mention, Marvel has been reprinting its stuff for years in its various reprint titles..heck, marvel tales reprinted ASM 129 in two separate issues, once in like the late 70s and again 10 years later.

I was flipping through an old Overstreet guide around #10 or so, and I noticed a dealer advertising Hulk 180 for $6.00 and Hulk 181 at $1.25. This was 7-8 years after the issues were released so sometimes this stuff is open for debate for a while.

 

I dont know the story behind that, but over time 181 would be the issue collectors sought out. No one 'decided' it would be 181. The market decided.

In fact it's quite possible dealers considered 180 to be the first appearance, but found it just didn't sell as well as 181.

The reason?

Collectors wanted a full story.

I agree, this is what I was alluding too earlier. "First appearances" can sometimes be a ploy but dealers to move books that they heavily speculated on. Ultimately, the market (the people) decides, and more often than not story wins out over promotional items and cameo's.

 

If a dealer tries to deceive people that's one thing but if he's correct then he has the right to seek profit as well as educate the people who buy and sell in that market.

And again just because something is popular doesn't mean it is always accurate. I know a few folks who heavily invested in BOFA and look how that popular trend worked out for them. They didn't do the research and left the decision up to strangers. Not wise.

What I like about first appearances is that they are black & white. For the last two months I thought Peter Panzerfaust first appeared in Mondo #1. I was wrong.

If a character first appears in some obscure magazine ( Flaming Carrot anyone? ) then that's a fact whether issue one of a regular series is worth more or not.

As far as VALUE is concerned you are correct, " more often than not story wins out over promotional items and cameo's." but value does not replace truth and make 181 Wolverine's first appearance.

 

No one was trying to deceive anyone. If you asked a dealer in 1979 what Wolverine's first appearance was he'd probably say 180, but the first full appearance is 181. Collectors chose over time to focus on the first full appearance and the book went up in value.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, the market has decided it.

What's 'accurate', or what's 'opinion' or what 'strangers' say, doesn't mean a thing.

If you would've spent the last 20 years screaming from the rooftops that "No! 180 is the first appearance! This is the one you should be buying!", you missed out.

Collectors who bought 181, may have been fully aware that 180 is the first actual appearance, it didn't matter to them. No one's doubting that he actually appeared in 180, it's just not as important to the collector.

Facts are facts, but a smart dealer sells what the market asks for.

I agree with this. I was not insinuating that dealers were being outright deceptive. Just that occasionally ( :gossip: even on these boards), someone with a financial stake may push a book as a "true" first appearence reguradless of whether the rest of the hobby agrees with them.

 

True dat. Seems most of the modern speculation market is built around that.

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Sometimes it pays to be a procrastinator and completely unorganized. I bought these 8 months ago for $25 at a show in Greenville on a hunch. Today, they're one of the hottest books going, bringing $15 for the regular and $25 for the variant! I found them buried in a box while trying to get ready for the 12/16 Charlotte show. Yay me!

 

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Sometimes it pays to be a procrastinator and completely unorganized. I bought these 8 months ago for $25 at a show in Greenville on a hunch. Today, they're one of the hottest books going, bringing $15 for the regular and $25 for the variant! I found them buried in a box while trying to get ready for the 12/16 Charlotte show. Yay me!

 

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Solid buy

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Sometimes it pays to be a procrastinator and completely unorganized. I bought these 8 months ago for $25 at a show in Greenville on a hunch. Today, they're one of the hottest books going, bringing $15 for the regular and $25 for the variant! I found them buried in a box while trying to get ready for the 12/16 Charlotte show. Yay me!

 

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How are the spines? 4 had a pretty bad print run.

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Sometimes it pays to be a procrastinator and completely unorganized. I bought these 8 months ago for $25 at a show in Greenville on a hunch. Today, they're one of the hottest books going, bringing $15 for the regular and $25 for the variant! I found them buried in a box while trying to get ready for the 12/16 Charlotte show. Yay me!

 

100_4830.jpg

 

Very nice!! I love it when that happens. I was doing that two day ago and I found AMS 220-300 in my storage room lol

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Sometimes it pays to be a procrastinator and completely unorganized. I bought these 8 months ago for $25 at a show in Greenville on a hunch. Today, they're one of the hottest books going, bringing $15 for the regular and $25 for the variant! I found them buried in a box while trying to get ready for the 12/16 Charlotte show. Yay me!

 

100_4830.jpg

 

How are the spines? 4 had a pretty bad print run.

 

They're not 9.8 but they're not less than 9.2 either. Fairly solid. The variants are better.

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Some variant books that are worth mentioning from eBay as recorded by Lyria are:

  • The Residents 3D comic book - $200+
  • Justice League #1 Sketch - $118+
  • My Little Pony Detroit Variant - $100+
  • My Little Pony Larry's Sketch Variant - $70+
  • Avengers #1 Deadpool Gangnam Sketch Variant - $67
  • Lady Mechanika #0 NYCC - $53
  • Lady Mechanika #0 LBCC - $51
  • Uncanny Avengers #2 1:50 - $46+
  • Indestructible Hulk #1 1:50 - $46+
  • Fantastic Four #1 1:150 - $46+

And that's just the top 10 out of 100 comics listed! :ohnoez:

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