The Madness Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) So this is something I've always been confused about. If there is one page that is in pencils only, is there another piece that has been inked? Most likely, but there are exceptions. Some pages are sent directly to colorists and are not inked. IIRC, the Nathaniel Dusk pages by Gene Colan were shot from pencils and then colored. I have one example of the pencil/ink pair. The story of how I got both is somewhat interesting and covered in the description. Just click the image. But what if there are inked pages and penciled pages from the same book of the same artist. Are those pages that are just penciled never inked and just colored? I don't understand why some pages would just be penciled and the others inked. Unless both pieces would exist Edited December 18, 2014 by Lucid Enigma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alxjhnsn Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) The combinations that I know of are: pencils, inks, letters on same page, colorist works on photocopy (Traditional) pencils and inks on board, letters and colors done on computer (most everything since the 90s) pencils on board, inks on blue-line copy of pencils, letters and colors on computer (like my LSH example) pencils on board, everything else digital and maybe no inks (like Nathaniel Dusk) all digital (like Saga) all digital except covers/splashes/key scenes where the OA might have after market value I think that's the complete list. Are you seeing something different? Edited December 19, 2014 by alxjhnsn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malvin Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The combinations that I know of are: pencils, inks, letters on same page, colorist works on photocopy (Traditional) pencils and inks on board, letters and colors done on computer (most everything since the 90s) pencils on board, inks on blue-line copy of pencils, letters and colors on computer (like my LSH example) pencils on board, everything else digital and maybe no inks (like Nathaniel Dusk) all digital (like Saga) all digital except covers/splashes/key scenes where the OA might have after market value I think that's the complete list. Are you seeing something different? He is seeing your 3rd bullet. So in that scenario there are 2. Malvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alxjhnsn Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 That's what I thought, too, Malvin, and it's the reason I showed my example, but he seemed to have another question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Madness Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The combinations that I know of are: pencils, inks, letters on same page, colorist works on photocopy (Traditional) pencils and inks on board, letters and colors done on computer (most everything since the 90s) pencils on board, inks on blue-line copy of pencils, letters and colors on computer (like my LSH example) pencils on board, everything else digital and maybe no inks (like Nathaniel Dusk) all digital (like Saga) all digital except covers/splashes/key scenes where the OA might have after market value I think that's the complete list. Are you seeing something different? I am probably talking about your third bullet. However, I initially thought I was looking at your 2nd bullet. But I guess there would be two pieces in my scenario. I was just wondering if they just did pencils for certain pages that were published in the same book for a specific reason. Because every page for this certain issue was inked except for maybe 3-5 pages, at least from what I've seen out there in collections and for sale. But I have not seen a pair of one specific page. I've only seen it inked or penciled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malvin Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I am probably talking about your third bullet. However, I initially thought I was looking at your 2nd bullet. But I guess there would be two pieces in my scenario. I was just wondering if they just did pencils for certain pages that were published in the same book for a specific reason. Because every page for this certain issue was inked except for maybe 3-5 pages, at least from what I've seen out there in collections and for sale. But I have not seen a pair of one specific page. I've only seen it inked or penciled Ah, ok, there can be rare cases where some pages are pencil only while others are ink. Reasons include, but not limited to: 1. They ran out of time (or by choice) and digitally inked a few pages 2. They wanted a different "look" for the pencil pages Malvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matches_Malone Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The combinations that I know of are: pencils, inks, letters on same page, colorist works on photocopy (Traditional) pencils and inks on board, letters and colors done on computer (most everything since the 90s) pencils on board, inks on blue-line copy of pencils, letters and colors on computer (like my LSH example) pencils on board, everything else digital and maybe no inks (like Nathaniel Dusk) all digital (like Saga) all digital except covers/splashes/key scenes where the OA might have after market value I think that's the complete list. Are you seeing something different? I am probably talking about your third bullet. However, I initially thought I was looking at your 2nd bullet. But I guess there would be two pieces in my scenario. I was just wondering if they just did pencils for certain pages that were published in the same book for a specific reason. Because every page for this certain issue was inked except for maybe 3-5 pages, at least from what I've seen out there in collections and for sale. But I have not seen a pair of one specific page. I've only seen it inked or penciled Im curious...Are you inquiring about pages offered by Spencer at The Artist Choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Madness Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I am probably talking about your third bullet. However, I initially thought I was looking at your 2nd bullet. But I guess there would be two pieces in my scenario. I was just wondering if they just did pencils for certain pages that were published in the same book for a specific reason. Because every page for this certain issue was inked except for maybe 3-5 pages, at least from what I've seen out there in collections and for sale. But I have not seen a pair of one specific page. I've only seen it inked or penciled Ah, ok, there can be rare cases where some pages are pencil only while others are ink. Reasons include, but not limited to: 1. They ran out of time (or by choice) and digitally inked a few pages 2. They wanted a different "look" for the pencil pages Malvin Oh, ok. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Madness Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The combinations that I know of are: pencils, inks, letters on same page, colorist works on photocopy (Traditional) pencils and inks on board, letters and colors done on computer (most everything since the 90s) pencils on board, inks on blue-line copy of pencils, letters and colors on computer (like my LSH example) pencils on board, everything else digital and maybe no inks (like Nathaniel Dusk) all digital (like Saga) all digital except covers/splashes/key scenes where the OA might have after market value I think that's the complete list. Are you seeing something different? I am probably talking about your third bullet. However, I initially thought I was looking at your 2nd bullet. But I guess there would be two pieces in my scenario. I was just wondering if they just did pencils for certain pages that were published in the same book for a specific reason. Because every page for this certain issue was inked except for maybe 3-5 pages, at least from what I've seen out there in collections and for sale. But I have not seen a pair of one specific page. I've only seen it inked or penciled Im curious...Are you inquiring about pages offered by Spencer at The Artist Choice? You got it. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matches_Malone Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The combinations that I know of are: pencils, inks, letters on same page, colorist works on photocopy (Traditional) pencils and inks on board, letters and colors done on computer (most everything since the 90s) pencils on board, inks on blue-line copy of pencils, letters and colors on computer (like my LSH example) pencils on board, everything else digital and maybe no inks (like Nathaniel Dusk) all digital (like Saga) all digital except covers/splashes/key scenes where the OA might have after market value I think that's the complete list. Are you seeing something different? I am probably talking about your third bullet. However, I initially thought I was looking at your 2nd bullet. But I guess there would be two pieces in my scenario. I was just wondering if they just did pencils for certain pages that were published in the same book for a specific reason. Because every page for this certain issue was inked except for maybe 3-5 pages, at least from what I've seen out there in collections and for sale. But I have not seen a pair of one specific page. I've only seen it inked or penciled Im curious...Are you inquiring about pages offered by Spencer at The Artist Choice? You got it. Why? I understand now that your questions were not in regards to general knowledge of OA collecting, but pertaining to specific art pieces you have an interest in. And Since you haven't mentioned the books in question, I'm assuming you don't want anybody else to know what you are after as you take advantage of the very popular Christmas Sale. If that's the case, I just wanted to say that Spencer is a good guy and he will be able to clear up any specific concerns you might have with the pieces you have in mind as it can be a bit harder to give an exact reason why some pages are pencils only while others are ink without knowing the book/artist that you are asking about. No worries, Spencer will help you out. Good Luck on the buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignimbrite Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 My question revolves around how one really goes about looking for Art. I am new to this and I have tried to give myself a limited window of things to look for (Wonder Woman #178-203, Speedball covers, etc). Is this simply being too optimistic? I have been looking for a year or so but they have not come up. Am I being unrealistic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malvin Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 My question revolves around how one really goes about looking for Art. I am new to this and I have tried to give myself a limited window of things to look for (Wonder Woman #178-203, Speedball covers, etc). Is this simply being too optimistic? I have been looking for a year or so but they have not come up. Am I being unrealistic? You collect what you want to collect. You shouldn't really change it just because you can't find the art (unless you really changed your desires and want other art) , and I don't know those ares so I don't know if those art are available, locked away, destroyed in a fire etc. There is no magic formula to look, but the most common are ebay, CAF and dealer sites. Malvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matches_Malone Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 My question revolves around how one really goes about looking for Art. I am new to this and I have tried to give myself a limited window of things to look for (Wonder Woman #178-203, Speedball covers, etc). Is this simply being too optimistic? I have been looking for a year or so but they have not come up. Am I being unrealistic? I waited 16 years to acquire the right McFarlane Spider Man cover. A year is not a very long time. Hang in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR SigS Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Was it common in the 60s-70s to make copies of each page such as this? Thanks for any info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignimbrite Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 My question revolves around how one really goes about looking for Art. I am new to this and I have tried to give myself a limited window of things to look for (Wonder Woman #178-203, Speedball covers, etc). Is this simply being too optimistic? I have been looking for a year or so but they have not come up. Am I being unrealistic? I waited 16 years to acquire the right McFarlane Spider Man cover. A year is not a very long time. Hang in there. Thanks to those that gave advice. I really do like the challenge, it is the unknowing if the pieces even exist that gets a bit frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alxjhnsn Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 That's why there is so much excitement on this board and the comicart-l when pages not seen before appear for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weird Paper Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Was it common in the 60s-70s to make copies of each page such as this? Thanks for any info. What kind of material is this on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hado Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Even as I type this I know it's a stupid question because there are too many variables, but I'll ask anyways. Do two page splashes that make one big image really bump up the price of a piece ? Edited January 23, 2015 by Hado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 yes there used to be basic formulas for this type of thing but now it is more artist, character,story rather than strictly cover, panel, splash, double splash. but yes, one big image is more money more often than not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Marino Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 A big / dynamic double page splash can be priced on par with the cover, given both are of similar quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
