Copper's Heating/Selling Well on Ebay 33 33

[AGGIEZ]

What if he's ugly and rich?

 

You do the math.

 

 

This picture raises so many questions, all with assuredly hilarious answers.

 

That chair must be made out of adamantium

 

 

 

[the blob]

oy vey, the only thing that jumped out of me were the solar 3s for $5 as those are $25+ on feebay all day long as of late, but heck, we all overlook things once in a while

 

The bigger crime is selling X:O #1 for $5. I didn't think that book ever sold that low....send the rest you have my way, .

 

isn't it usually $8-$15 depending on where it lives on the NM- or better scale?

[ygogolak]

Could be considered a Bronze age as well. Right on that border.

 

No, I think that entire "New" Supergirl series is considered Copper, and definitely by issue 8 though.

If you're looking on eBay, it would be classified as a Bronze Age (1970-83). It was released June '83. (Can't wait to hear how I'm wrong about this one)

[the blob]

My mind has a tough time considering anything with a 60 cent cover price bronze (and, frankly, I am on the fence about 50 centers) even though I know bronze has expanded and expanded like how a "good neighborhood" name is being used to describe 5-10 blocks into neighboring "not as good" neighborhoods.

 

Some aggressive pricing here!:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supergirl-8-1st-App-Reaction-1983-Key-Villain-New-TV-Show-SUPER-RARE-NM-M-9-8-/181813900834?hash=item2a54f3f622

 

On the other hand, it is the only stand alone copy for sale this minute

Edited July 31, 2015 by the blob

[Broke as a Joke]

I'm happy for everyone that gets to unload these books like Supergirl 8 that have had no reason to ever be worth more than cover price for good coin, but really who are these buyers? Who cares if some lame villain makes an appearance on some TV show that nobody is going to watch. It really boggles my mind.

[joe_collector]

If you're looking on eBay, it would be classified as a Bronze Age (1970-83). It was released June '83. (Can't wait to hear how I'm wrong about this one)

 

You're not wrong, just misinformed, as virtually no one adhered to the more-recent OS change when the dealers moved up the BA date to 1984 (Secret Wars??? ), wanting to turn "worthless early-Copper" into "valuable high-grade late-Bronze" - that was *before* Copper took off and I bet they regret that stupidity now.

 

I would estimate the majority of informed, longtime collectors would select 1979-81 as the End of the Bronze Age and 1981-82 as the Start of the Copper Age.

 

There are just too many seminal books (Warrior Magazine, Love & Rockets, Marvel Graphic Novels, Pacific, etc.), events (New EiCs at Marvel/DC, creator royalties/ownership), changes (no more cartoon books, horror comics/reprint titles all cancelled, Warren/Spire/Harvey shuts down, Contest of Champions starts mini-series wave), etc. for Bronze to go too far out of 1981.

[Bronty]

guy A thinks I'll buy it for $20 because guy B will want it.

 

Guy B buys it thinking he can sell to Guy C.

 

Guy D buys it thinking he can sell to Guy E.

 

Nobody ACTUALLY wants it.

 

Its a self fulfilling spec prophecy

[joe_collector]

My mind has a tough time considering anything with a 60 cent cover price bronze (and, frankly, I am on the fence about 50 centers) even though I know bronze has expanded and expanded like how a "good neighborhood" name is being used to describe 5-10 blocks into neighboring "not as good" neighborhoods.

 

Yeah, it was those crazy, short-sighted OS advisors who didn't want to wait for the Copper books to explode and artificially forward-dated the BA in order to sell off the crates full of 1982-84 books they had languishing in the warehouse.

 

It's sad really.

[revat]

guy A thinks I'll buy it for $20 because guy B will want it.

 

Guy B buys it thinking he can sell to Guy C.

 

Guy D buys it thinking he can sell to Guy E.

 

Nobody ACTUALLY wants it.

 

Its a self fulfilling spec prophecy

 

Just be guy A or B, take your profits and go. Who cares if people choose to make some money this way? Who cares if some people lose money this way? If people at the end get stuck with the bag....who cares? Why does it offend or surprise or infuriate people so much? No one is making anyone buy or sell from anyone else.

 

No one is going to murder a puppy because they can't buy Supergirl 8 because they have to pay $4 instead of $1. If temporary tv bumps the popularity and therefore demand and therefore cost of some comics, where's the travesty? Does it make any more sense that Kim Kardashian wearing a some brand will bump the stock price of some brand because your teenage daughter (yes YOURS) wants to dress like her? Its life, its economics, get your money where you can (in an honest fashion), or get it somewhere else (in an honest and legal fashion). Who cares?

 

People want to bet or arbitrage both short term and long term stocks for hobby and/or professionally, why is it so bad if some people treat comics the same way? If you didn't own 1st Rocket Raccoon before the movie hype, you weren't that big of a Rocket fan anyways. If you could afford to pay $200K for a 1st Thor 10 years ago, you can probably pay $400K for a 1st Thor now. And if you can't, it probably has very little to do with the fact that the price of 1st reactron has jumped from $1 to $5 overnight.

Edited July 31, 2015 by Revat

[BettrFastrStrongr]

Does it really matter the cutof/starting dates are for these Ages? Gets downright ridiculous the lengths some boardies go to argue/inform people about this.

 

 

[joe_collector]

Just be guy A or B, take your profits and go. Who cares if people choose to make some money this way? Who cares if some people lose money this way? If people at the end get stuck with the bag....who cares?

 

I do. I have this troublesome thing called E-M-P-A-T-H-Y that makes me feel bad when some people simply aren't quick enough to avoid the ne'er do wells of society.

 

These people don't wake up one day wanting to own swamp land in Florida any more than they wake up wanting to buy the first appearance of some 3rd-rate knob. Someone, be it a land broker or comic dealer, has manipulated them into buying a "hot deal".

 

left holding the bag = got scammed

[joe_collector]

Does it really matter the cutof/starting dates are for these Ages? Gets downright ridiculous the lengths some boardies go to argue/inform people about this.

 

If it doesn't matter, then why do greedy OS advisers keep changing it?

 

Prior to the "let's get rid of our 1982-84 overstock" scam, whereby OS artificially extended the BA to 1984, there were NO real arguments about the End of the BA (Death of Phoenix/Days of Future Past and the Start of the CA (1981/82 - a massive number of reasons), and it was money-hungry dealers that caused the current problems.

 

They should have left well enough alone, rather than only thinking about $$$$.

[revat]

Just be guy A or B, take your profits and go. Who cares if people choose to make some money this way? Who cares if some people lose money this way? If people at the end get stuck with the bag....who cares?

 

I do. I have this troublesome thing called E-M-P-A-T-H-Y that makes me feel bad when some people simply aren't quick enough to avoid the ne'er do wells of society.

 

These people don't wake up one day wanting to own swamp land in Florida any more than they wake up wanting to buy the first appearance of some 3rd-rate knob. Someone, be it a land broker or comic dealer, has manipulated them into buying a "hot deal".

 

left holding the bag = got scammed

 

there's a pretty large difference between getting scammed and being on the wrong end of a bad investment because you don't have the intelligence or experience to act more discerningly.

 

What about the new guy who knowingly walks into a casino looking to gamble. Asks the host, "What casino game gives me the best odds of winning?" Host says "Black Jack, and as a matter of fact we had a guy will a million dollars at black jack here last week (all true)". New guy proceeds to gamble and lose all his money at Black Jack. Was he scammed? Did anyone lie? What duty does the employee or the casino have to that gambler? More importantly, why would I as a bystander care at all?

 

Or was he an adult, who took his limited knowledge and his money and make an adult decision to gamble, knowing it was possible he MIGHT lose money, but willingly risk it because of the CHANCE to gain more money? NO one has complete information about EVERY financial decision they make. Nothing wrong with marketing something using the positive TRUE attributes at hand. Customer still ultimately makes the decision to gamble, or to buy the comic, or both. If we want to sit around worrying about all the financial decisions made by insufficiently_thoughtful_person uninformed strangers....well ain't nobody got time for that. And if you do, you should probably volunteer to teach basic business classes at your local charity/outreach/employment center, where it will do a million times more good.

[joe_collector]

there's a pretty large difference between getting scammed and being on the wrong end of a bad investment because you don't have the intelligence or experience to act more discerningly.

 

See, that's where you and I are different.

 

You seem to think that anyone dumber or less-experienced than you is a worthy mark that it is totally fine to take money from ("it's their own fault they don't have the intelligence or experience"), while I believe society has a duty to protect those less-intellectually-blessed from being taken advantage of by the bottom-dwellers.

 

Your Motto:

 

[BettrFastrStrongr]

Does it really matter the cutof/starting dates are for these Ages? Gets downright ridiculous the lengths some boardies go to argue/inform people about this.

 

If it doesn't matter, then why do greedy OS advisers keep changing it?

 

Prior to the "let's get rid of our 1982-84 overstock" scam, whereby OS artificially extended the BA to 1984, there were NO real arguments about the End of the BA (Death of Phoenix/Days of Future Past and the Start of the CA (1981/82 - a massive number of reasons), and it was money-hungry dealers that caused the current problems.

 

They should have left well enough alone, rather than only thinking about $$$$.

 

Ok, I'm not disagreeing here. Why would changing the Bronze timeline affect sales? I usually collect storylines, artists, or 1st appearances, not a certain Age.

[joe_collector]

Why would changing the Bronze timeline affect sales?

 

Because at that time, Bronze was HOT and Copper was DEAD.

 

So OS dealers decided that renaming previously-denoted "Early Copper Age" books as "Late-Bronze" would make those comics more attractive and easier to sell to newbie speculators. And they were right, but it's very sad that OS would stoop so low just to make a buck.

 

At an earlier point, there was also a movement to classify 1970-72 books as "late-Silver" (again, to artificially increase demand) but thankfully that never gained much steam.

[revat]

there's a pretty large difference between getting scammed and being on the wrong end of a bad investment because you don't have the intelligence or experience to act more discerningly.

 

See, that's where you and I are different.

 

You seem to think that anyone dumber or less-experienced than you is a worthy mark that it is totally fine to take money from ("it's their own fault they don't have the intelligence or experience"), while I believe society has a duty to protect those less-intellectually-blessed from being taken advantage of by the bottom-dwellers.

 

Your Motto:

 

 

On the contrary. I don't have any desire to judge someone or find out their motivations for doing something. I give them the benefit of the doubt over something as simple as buying a comic book. Are there smarter things we could all be doing with our money? In most cases, yes. If the doctor wants to buy a Ferrrari which loses $40K value a minute after he drives it off the lot or the meth head wants to buy a $5 comic he hopes to someday flip for $10, its not being taken advantage of, its freedom to make your own decisions and live with the consequences thereof.

 

I'm not saying there shouldn't be some rules in place to curb predatory behavior like junk bonds or those zero down payment floating interest rate mortgage BS, of course their should be. And I'm not saying we should lie or trick our way to success. But I don't think people should have to apologize for having the knowledge, experience, and resources to take advantage of financial opportunities when they arise, otherwise what would be the point of investing in development or research, or starting new companies and having new ideas?

 

What if you've got one Harvard PHD stockbroker who outmaneuvers another Harvard PHD stockbroker for a financial opportunity because he's jussst a little bit smarter? What if one crackhead outmaneuvers another crackhead because he's juuussst a little bit smarter? Is that ok? Where's the line? How do we determine when its ok to use our abilities, education, knowledge, experience and other resources to make money?

 

If you've got a comic shop with a case full of Supergirl 8, is it really scamming to put them out for sale at $4-5a pop with a label that says 1st Reactron? You really think any one who buys at that price got scammed? The store owner paid an agreed upon price at the time he bought the comics. He held the comics for 20+ years at his own volition. Now he's got a mortgage and 2 kids and rent to pay. You really think he's scamming?

 

That being said, I currently realize that I'm arguing from the viewpoint of capitalism. And it's arrogant of me to think that everyone would argue from the same viewpoint, because that simply isn't the case. I won't go further into politics than this, and if these examples aren't enough to sway someone, they're not likely to be swayed, which is fine.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

guy A thinks I'll buy it for $20 because guy B will want it.

 

Guy B buys it thinking he can sell to Guy C.

 

Guy D buys it thinking he can sell to Guy E.

 

Nobody ACTUALLY wants it.

 

Its a self fulfilling spec prophecy

 

Just be guy A or B, take your profits and go. Who cares if people choose to make some money this way? Who cares if some people lose money this way? If people at the end get stuck with the bag....who cares? Why does it offend or surprise or infuriate people so much? No one is making anyone buy or sell from anyone else.

 

No one is going to murder a puppy because they can't buy Supergirl 8 because they have to pay $4 instead of $1. If temporary tv bumps the popularity and therefore demand and therefore cost of some comics, where's the travesty? Does it make any more sense that Kim Kardashian wearing a some brand will bump the stock price of some brand because your teenage daughter (yes YOURS) wants to dress like her? Its life, its economics, get your money where you can (in an honest fashion), or get it somewhere else (in an honest and legal fashion). Who cares?

 

People want to bet or arbitrage both short term and long term stocks for hobby and/or professionally, why is it so bad if some people treat comics the same way? If you didn't own 1st Rocket Raccoon before the movie hype, you weren't that big of a Rocket fan anyways. If you could afford to pay $200K for a 1st Thor 10 years ago, you can probably pay $400K for a 1st Thor now. And if you can't, it probably has very little to do with the fact that the price of 1st reactron has jumped from $1 to $5 overnight.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

If you're looking on eBay, it would be classified as a Bronze Age (1970-83). It was released June '83. (Can't wait to hear how I'm wrong about this one)

 

You're not wrong, just misinformed, as virtually no one adhered to the more-recent OS change when the dealers moved up the BA date to 1984 (Secret Wars??? ), wanting to turn "worthless early-Copper" into "valuable high-grade late-Bronze" - that was *before* Copper took off and I bet they regret that stupidity now.

 

I would estimate the majority of informed, longtime collectors would select 1979-81 as the End of the Bronze Age and 1981-82 as the Start of the Copper Age.

 

There are just too many seminal books (Warrior Magazine, Love & Rockets, Marvel Graphic Novels, Pacific, etc.), events (New EiCs at Marvel/DC, creator royalties/ownership), changes (no more cartoon books, horror comics/reprint titles all cancelled, Warren/Spire/Harvey shuts down, Contest of Champions starts mini-series wave), etc. for Bronze to go too far out of 1981.

Every transition between ages has a cusp. I like the DC implosion as the beginning of the Bronze to Copper cusp. Larry Hama and Al Milgrom both lost their editorial positions as a result of the implosion, and without that maybe we don't have G.I. Joe as we know it, and perhaps epic comics.

[kimik]

Who cares when an age stops and the next one started? People are buying Supergirl #8 for the 1st appearance, not whether it is BA or CA. How many people care that AF #15 is a SA book? They buy it for the 1st appearance of Spidey.

Edited July 31, 2015 by kimik