Walking Dead #1 Black Label vs White Label - an Answer! UPDATED 2/4/14 2 2

[James J]

I like walking dead comics.....

 

Understatement of the year coming from James.

 

Said while he plays on his WD pinball machine.

 

I represent that statement.....

[bffnut]

I like walking dead comics.....

 

Understatement of the year coming from James.

 

Said while he plays on his WD pinball machine.

 

I represent that statement.....

 

Is there a WD pinball machine?!

[retrothecollector]

I like walking dead comics.....

 

Understatement of the year coming from James.

 

Said while he plays on his WD pinball machine.

 

I represent that statement.....

 

Is there a WD pinball machine?!

Bro that's so 2014

 

http://www.sternpinball.com/games/the-walking-dead/pro

[James J]

I like walking dead comics.....

 

Understatement of the year coming from James.

 

Said while he plays on his WD pinball machine.

 

I represent that statement.....

 

Is there a WD pinball machine?!

Bro that's so 2014

 

http://www.sternpinball.com/games/the-walking-dead/pro

 

It would of been better if the thing came with .........its own special variant.

 

[bffnut]

[Sensei Ryan]

 

Even funnier is I'm looking for a low grade black label...so I will agree with you this time...

 

I accept the new information that has been put before me.

 

 

 

 

No need to agree with me.

 

Agree with reality:

 

9.8-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ESK013-Image-Comics-THE-WALKING-DEAD-1-1st-Rick-Grimes-CGC-9-8-NM-MT-2003-/131304179595?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9256c78b

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-CGC-9-8-Black-Mature-Reader-Label-/131552877070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea1299a0e

 

 

9.6-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Walking-Dead-1-CGC-9-6-10-03-Image-Comics-First-Printing-RARE-HIGH-GRADE-/151715735475?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2352f667b3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-CGC-Certified-9-6-Kirkman-Moore-Image-First-Ever-/231584755334?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35eb86ee86

 

 

9.0-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-cgc-9-0-1st-print-Oct-2003-Image-/271922691442?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4fdafd72

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-CGC-9-0-1ST-PRINT-NO-RESERVE-/131545338382?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea0b6920e

 

 

Raw-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-First-Print-Rare-/252004256969?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aac9fccc9

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-First-Print-NM-Rare-1st-RICK-GRIMES-/261966230948?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cfe6775a4

 

 

Ouch. Looks like the "white labels" have actually been going for a little more. Fortunately, there's thousands upon thousands of both labels to go around. That will always ensure there will never be any significant or sustained differences in pricing either way.

 

 

There's a reason why this thread was buried on page 30.

 

-J.

 

First off, congrats on the amazing sig line - I'm envious beyond belief! I don't even want to hazard a guess on what that Cap 1 cost

 

Secondly, this thread was also created to compile data on the differences in the quantities of the white/black labels, not just to determine value of each.

 

Thirdly, I think you'd need more than 1 example to compare (for the 9.8's in particular) to make a case about there not being a difference in end prices In the example you provided, though, you are correct in the 'end sale' result.

 

After a quick search of the 450+ items that come up with 'walking dead 1 cgc 9.8', I saw 12 white labels (9.8's, 9.9, 9.6's) and 1 black label 9.4. Clearly, there are not thousands of each available (graded) on eBay at the moment - only the white label is in abundance on there (at lease in regard to the 9.8's graded).

 

Don't even bother with him you are wasting you time. He has his mind made up on just about everything in the collecting community and nothing commands a premium when it comes to comics.

 

Well…it appears you are correct He keeps claiming 'you have no evidence,' to anyone who posts evidence yet he provides no actual 'evidence' himself besides 1 example at each grade level. He must know what he's talking about

[Sensei Ryan]

I like walking dead comics.....

 

Understatement of the year coming from James.

 

Said while he plays on his WD pinball machine.

 

I represent that statement.....

 

Is there a WD pinball machine?!

Bro that's so 2014

 

http://www.sternpinball.com/games/the-walking-dead/pro

 

It would of been better if the thing came with .........its own special variant.

 

As well as a 2nd print variant, a sketch variant, a red foil variant, a comixology exclusive variant, an error variant, and a blank sketch variant. Oh, and a box set with a new slabbed/stamped variant indicating the inaugural launch of the pinball machine.

[James J]

I like walking dead comics.....

 

Understatement of the year coming from James.

 

Said while he plays on his WD pinball machine.

 

I represent that statement.....

 

Is there a WD pinball machine?!

Bro that's so 2014

 

http://www.sternpinball.com/games/the-walking-dead/pro

 

It would of been better if the thing came with .........its own special variant.

 

As well as a 2nd print variant, a sketch variant, a red foil variant, a comixology exclusive variant, an error variant, and a blank sketch variant. Oh, and a box set with a new slabbed/stamped variant indicating the inaugural launch of the pinball machine.

 

Which if it came with the machine it would have been a okay...it would have put me one up on you mofos.

[Jaydogrules]

 

Even funnier is I'm looking for a low grade black label...so I will agree with you this time...

 

I accept the new information that has been put before me.

 

 

 

 

No need to agree with me.

 

Agree with reality:

 

9.8-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ESK013-Image-Comics-THE-WALKING-DEAD-1-1st-Rick-Grimes-CGC-9-8-NM-MT-2003-/131304179595?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9256c78b

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-CGC-9-8-Black-Mature-Reader-Label-/131552877070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea1299a0e

 

 

9.6-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Walking-Dead-1-CGC-9-6-10-03-Image-Comics-First-Printing-RARE-HIGH-GRADE-/151715735475?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2352f667b3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-CGC-Certified-9-6-Kirkman-Moore-Image-First-Ever-/231584755334?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35eb86ee86

 

 

9.0-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-cgc-9-0-1st-print-Oct-2003-Image-/271922691442?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4fdafd72

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-CGC-9-0-1ST-PRINT-NO-RESERVE-/131545338382?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea0b6920e

 

 

Raw-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-First-Print-Rare-/252004256969?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aac9fccc9

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-First-Print-NM-Rare-1st-RICK-GRIMES-/261966230948?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cfe6775a4

 

 

Ouch. Looks like the "white labels" have actually been going for a little more. Fortunately, there's thousands upon thousands of both labels to go around. That will always ensure there will never be any significant or sustained differences in pricing either way.

 

 

There's a reason why this thread was buried on page 30.

 

-J.

 

First off, congrats on the amazing sig line - I'm envious beyond belief! I don't even want to hazard a guess on what that Cap 1 cost

 

Secondly, this thread was also created to compile data on the differences in the quantities of the white/black labels, not just to determine value of each.

 

Thirdly, I think you'd need more than 1 example to compare (for the 9.8's in particular) to make a case about there not being a difference in end prices In the example you provided, though, you are correct in the 'end sale' result.

 

After a quick search of the 450+ items that come up with 'walking dead 1 cgc 9.8', I saw 12 white labels (9.8's, 9.9, 9.6's) and 1 black label 9.4. Clearly, there are not thousands of each available (graded) on eBay at the moment - only the white label is in abundance on there (at lease in regard to the 9.8's graded).

 

Don't even bother with him you are wasting you time. He has his mind made up on just about everything in the collecting community and nothing commands a premium when it comes to comics.

 

Well…it appears you are correct He keeps claiming 'you have no evidence,' to anyone who posts evidence yet he provides no actual 'evidence' himself besides 1 example at each grade level. He must know what he's talking about

 

Ridiculous.

 

Evidence: Every sale on ebay covering the last 90 days that shows no "pemium" being paid for a white or black label either way. I used nearly dozen examples for demonstrative purposes. I think you know that.

 

Evidence: The pending sales on comic link showing no "premium" being paid either way for a white or black label.

 

Evidence: You ultimately selling your own black label copy for less than white label copies after it sat on the boards un-sold for a week, over-priced (because it was a black label?), and multiple price drops.

 

Evidence: The 35 or so black labels that have been offered on ebay the last couple of months alone, in all grade ranges, as well as raw. "Rare"? Nope. "Hard to find"? Nope. "Not often available"? Nope. Even if there "appears" to be less of them than the white labels from time to time, or even most of the time, they are still far too common to warrant (and therfore do no get) any "premium" on the open market. What a dealer here and there gets at a show or in a one on on transaction may very well be different from time to time. That's why it is called "anecdotal". The far more compelling story is told by the market at large, however, when they are offered and sold publicly.

 

Evidence: Kirkman, the creator of the book, going on the record stating that, if anything, there are actually less white labels (though I will grant that he probably doesn't care or lose any sleep over it either way- so why do you?).

 

 

Still waiting for anyone to quote any publicly available sales data that shows a significant or consistent difference in price paid either way.

 

-J.

 

 

 

[IntoAnother]

Forgive my ignorance, does it matter which has more or less at this point? I gather less black labels exist yet it does not gain a substantial amount more per sale than a white label. If any more at all at times. Just sensing this will go back and forth in circles until (very unlikely) facts are provided by the powers that be that white labels print run is X and black labels print run is X. Until then I say buy which you prefer and enjoy it!

[HarveySwick]

It's simple. Black labels are first prints and white labels are second prints.

[retrothecollector]

that's right so sell me all your white labels cause they're drek

[IntoAnother]

It's simple. Black labels are first prints and white labels are second prints.

 

Oh my goodness, can you imagine the uproar if CGC up and decided that was the case and started putting Second Print on the labels. Holy anarchy.

[Jaydogrules]

Forgive my ignorance, does it matter which has more or less at this point? I gather less black labels exist yet it does not gain a substantial amount more per sale than a white label. If any more at all at times. Just sensing this will go back and forth in circles until (very unlikely) facts are provided by the powers that be that white labels print run is X and black labels print run is X. Until then I say buy which you prefer and enjoy it!

 

Amen.

 

-J.

[Sensei Ryan]

 

Even funnier is I'm looking for a low grade black label...so I will agree with you this time...

 

I accept the new information that has been put before me.

 

 

 

 

No need to agree with me.

 

Agree with reality:

 

9.8-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ESK013-Image-Comics-THE-WALKING-DEAD-1-1st-Rick-Grimes-CGC-9-8-NM-MT-2003-/131304179595?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9256c78b

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-CGC-9-8-Black-Mature-Reader-Label-/131552877070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea1299a0e

 

 

9.6-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Walking-Dead-1-CGC-9-6-10-03-Image-Comics-First-Printing-RARE-HIGH-GRADE-/151715735475?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2352f667b3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-CGC-Certified-9-6-Kirkman-Moore-Image-First-Ever-/231584755334?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35eb86ee86

 

 

9.0-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-cgc-9-0-1st-print-Oct-2003-Image-/271922691442?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4fdafd72

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-CGC-9-0-1ST-PRINT-NO-RESERVE-/131545338382?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea0b6920e

 

 

Raw-

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-First-Print-Rare-/252004256969?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aac9fccc9

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Oct-2003-Image-First-Print-NM-Rare-1st-RICK-GRIMES-/261966230948?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cfe6775a4

 

 

Ouch. Looks like the "white labels" have actually been going for a little more. Fortunately, there's thousands upon thousands of both labels to go around. That will always ensure there will never be any significant or sustained differences in pricing either way.

 

 

There's a reason why this thread was buried on page 30.

 

-J.

 

First off, congrats on the amazing sig line - I'm envious beyond belief! I don't even want to hazard a guess on what that Cap 1 cost

 

Secondly, this thread was also created to compile data on the differences in the quantities of the white/black labels, not just to determine value of each.

 

Thirdly, I think you'd need more than 1 example to compare (for the 9.8's in particular) to make a case about there not being a difference in end prices In the example you provided, though, you are correct in the 'end sale' result.

 

After a quick search of the 450+ items that come up with 'walking dead 1 cgc 9.8', I saw 12 white labels (9.8's, 9.9, 9.6's) and 1 black label 9.4. Clearly, there are not thousands of each available (graded) on eBay at the moment - only the white label is in abundance on there (at lease in regard to the 9.8's graded).

 

Don't even bother with him you are wasting you time. He has his mind made up on just about everything in the collecting community and nothing commands a premium when it comes to comics.

 

Well…it appears you are correct He keeps claiming 'you have no evidence,' to anyone who posts evidence yet he provides no actual 'evidence' himself besides 1 example at each grade level. He must know what he's talking about

 

Ridiculous.

 

Evidence: Every sale on ebay covering the last 90 days that shows no "pemium" being paid for a white or black label either way. I used nearly dozen examples for demonstrative purposes. I think you know that.

 

Evidence: The pending sales on comic link showing no "premium" being paid either way for a white or black label.

 

Evidence: You ultimately selling your own black label copy for less than white label copies after it sat on the boards un-sold for a week, over-priced (because it was a black label?), and multiple price drops.

 

Evidence: The 35 or so black labels that have been offered on ebay the last couple of months alone, in all grade ranges, as well as raw. "Rare"? Nope. "Hard to find"? Nope. "Not often available"? Nope. Even if there "appears" to be less of them than the white labels from time to time, or even most of the time, they are still far too common to warrant (and therfore do no get) any "premium" on the open market. What a dealer here and there gets at a show or in a one on on transaction may very well be different from time to time. That's why it is called "anecdotal". The far more compelling story is told by the market at large, however, when they are offered and sold publicly.

 

Evidence: Kirkman, the creator of the book, going on the record stating that, if anything, there are actually less white labels (though I will grant that he probably doesn't care or lose any sleep over it either way- so why do you?).

 

 

Still waiting for anyone to quote any publicly available sales data that shows a significant or consistent difference in price paid either way.

 

-J.

 

 

 

It's getting harder to quote these things…but here goes.

 

1. Your reputation clearly precedes itself…so apparently this ins't the first dance for you on the boards. No offense intended, but apparently it does.

 

2. Put your money where your mouth is and post this evidence from eBay, comic link, and/or any other sites you are claiming to be 'clearly available.' Go ahead…if you've got the time to troll this thread, you've got the time to prove it. So do it. Quit saying 'it's out there' - show us. (insert Ben Stiller 'do it' meme here).

 

3. 35 or so black labels offered on eBay in the last couple of months??? Once again, prove your claim.

 

4. Evidence of my sold book - you have no idea what it sold for, correct? So how do you know what it sold for? Also, I'm assuming you know how eBay works (which is a big assumption), but a sale here on the boards requires no seller commission (while eBay, comic link, etc. does). So if a book sells for $2000 on eBay, for example, a seller nets 1800 (something I'm not sure you have realized). You only assume to know what my book sold for…so how do you know what kind of 'premium' it netted over recent white label sales?

 

Sidenote - The reason I care about this topic over which is more rare is because it would be fun to know the actual data…but you're right in guessing that we probably never will.

 

5. When you claim to use nearly a 'dozen' examples of sales, you used 8. That's close to hyperbole. This is also close to a logical fallacy.

 

6. Lastly, in case it came off that way, no offense is, intended…for reals. I still like your Cap book, and always will (thumbs u

[Jaydogrules]

I stand by my reputation as a myth-buster on these boards. It is not necessary for me to catalogue every sale on ebay, comic link, etc for your convenience. You seem to be standing by your spurious claim that black labels always sell at a "premium". This blatant falsehood has "already" been disproven by even "just" the nearly dozen (okay, nine) examples I have already cited where the white labels actually sold for slightly more both in grade and raw. I know how ebay "works" and I watched your multiple price drops in your thread, and noticed how you only (and finally) sold your book after you dropped it below recent white label sales and even linked to that white label sale as justification/support for the pricing of your black label book. So evidently, you know how ebay works as well and should easily be able to find the other dozen or so comparable sales and expired listings on there right now that I didn't feel the need to also cite, as they are duplicative examples that prove the same points.

 

In other words, myth busted. Again.

 

-J.

[manetteska]

[Bill1]

Here is the best one

 

[Guardian Comics]

JayRod...I'm trying to share "real world" knowledge with you, using more than GPA numbers to back it up.

 

First off I showed you yesterday that black labels were being outnumbered by white labels (currently on the market) by a 7-1 margin. It was like that yesterday, and it was like that 2 years ago, when that's all I did but buy and sell WD books. I got a premium for a black label each and every time. $100 on a 9.6 and $250 on a 9.8.

 

You point to one sale of a black label here on the boards. First off, these boards are the absolute worst place to sell a WD #1 period. 99% of people here who want one for a collection, already have one, everybody else on here is looking to get one cheap enough for a quick flip and make $100 bucks or so.

 

Secondly you keep pointing out GPA numbers, or Ebay sales. Todays market is a lot different than it was five years ago (and again I'm going to use real world knowledge and not "evidence") but in today's day and age it's more important about just owning a copy of the book, and the grade has become almost secondary, the price is what matters most to the average collector. May time I will see people not just my booth but others and ask if you can do any better on a $100 book, because the guy next to you has it priced at $40. What's the condition of his $40 book they get asked, and "I dunno" is usually the answer.

 

Now this doesn't apply to the seasoned, savvy collector who joins a chat board, and knows their comics inside out. To them grade takes precedence over everything, and then price. So in today's world where GPA is 75% Ebay sales, the average Ebayer just wants a copy, any copy and is not worried about the minutiae of black vs white or grade. It's why GPA on a Hulk #181 between a 5.5 and 7.0 is almost the same, when the spreads should be hundreds of dollars. People just want a copy..."ooh shiny" syndrome. Last sales on a 5.5 $1150, 6.0 $1150, 6.5 $1050 and 7.0 $1208, it doesn't make any sense and is stupid in reality.

 

The same theory also applies to your thoughts on the OW-W to White issue...you will argue til your blue in the face that white pages don't command a premium. They do, trust me they do. Maybe not to the average collector and your GPA numbers will protect your stance. But let's say you put a $1000 copy of WWBN #32 on these boards and it has OW-W pages. And 10 seconds later someone posts the exact same book for $1100 with white pages, I guarantee you (eye appeal being the exact same) that 99 times out of a 100, that the white pager for a $100 more sells first EVERY SINGLE time. Again no true "evidence" and just real world experience.

 

Just my two cents, take from it (if anything) what you will.

 

Jim

 

 

[James J]

You guys are not going to win an argument with him.

 

You are correct Justin..... Nobody will ever be able to prove that I don't like Walking Dead comics....I stand by everything I stated in this thread.

The comment "I like Walking Dead comics" was not ment to be open for discussion.I suggest if you want to continue this behavior we bring it to a PM. By the way I have reviewed My eBay,heritage and clink purchases over the last 12 months...all the data points to one thing"I like Walking Dead comics". I do expect a public apology and if I'm wrong I'll eat Jaydogrules shorts.