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Okajima pedigree
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Not sure if this is helpful and/or redundant. I had wanted to add an Okajima to my Uncle Sam National Comics collection. Sent an email to Matt asking what he knew of the Qualitys in the collection. Below is his reply from Feb. 2012.

 

 

Hey Jeff, Alan Barr obtained about 1/3 of the books when they went to auction, and we have his master list. On it are these five Quality books:

 

Candy 2 10 Quality 1949 Humor 1 9.4

Candy 2 17 Quality 1950 Humor 1 6.0

Candy 2 35 Quality 1952 Humor 1 8.0

National Comics 45 Quality 1944 Superhero 1 6.0

National Comics 46 Quality 1945 Superhero 1 1.5

 

There's obviously more, but probably not much more. The books were divided up with no regard to titles, value, etc, so if Alan landed only five in his group, there probably isn't many more out there.

 

Matt

 

 

 

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so looks like I have my work cut out for me today :) thank to everyone who is posting info about the pedigree. Ill be busy today putting a new master list together for us of the known books. please please please keep posting info and scans. its a big help.

 

Oh and by the by I checked my wings 115 this morning and it does have the standard pencil date on the back cover along with 2 letter "MJ"

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OK here is the updated list. I also created a sub section for "Probable Okajima books" these are simply CGC books we haven't seen to verify, or Non CGC'ed books that are most likely Okajimas. If anyone feels a book in this category should go on the confirmed list PM me and tell me why :) ill be happy to put them up on the top list :)

 

Confirmed Okajima Books

Air Fighters Comics v2n7 Date 2/44

Big Shot Comics 82 Date 10/47

Black Terror 6 Date 5/44

Boy Comics #16 Date 6/44

Blue Beetle 56 Date 5/48

Captain Aero 15 Date 6/44

Captain America 39 Date 6/44

Captain America 40 Date 7/44

Captain America 41 Date 8/44

Captain Marvel jr 19 Date 5/44

Captain Marvel jr 20 Date 6/44

Captain Marvel jr 23 Not CGC but is Okajima

Captain Midnight 21 Date 6/44

Contact Comics 12 Date 7/46

Exciting Comics 65 Date 1/49

Fight Comics 33 Date 8/44

Fight Comics 50 Date 6/47

Fight Comics 52 Date 10/47

Fight Comics 65 Date 10/49

Fight Comics 66 Date 1/50

Fighting yank 8 Date 6/44

Fighting Yank 23 "not CGC"

Flash Comics 54 Date 6/44

Green lantern 15 Date spring 45

Human Torch 14 Raw

Indians 9 Not CGC but is Okajima

Jumbo 104 Date 10/47

Jumbo 105 "not CGC"

Jumbo 157 Date 3/53

Jungle 54 Date 6/44

Jungle 100 Date 4//48

Jungle 105 Date 9/48

Jungle 106 Date 10/48

Jungle 107 Date 11/48

Jungle 110 Date 2/49

Jungle 113 "not CGC"

Jungle 119 Date 11/49

Jungle 131 Date 10/50

Jungle 136 "Not CGC"

Jungle 154 Date 10/52

Marvel Family 35 Date 5/49

Marvel Mystery 55 Date 5/44

Marvel Mystery 57 Date 7/44

Master Comics 51 "not CGC but is an Okajima"

Master Comics 83 Date 9/47

Master Comics 85 Date 11/47

Military Comics 31 Date 8/44

More Fun 98 "not CGC but is an Okajima"

Movie Comics 1 "not cgc and I don't see a code"

Mystery Comics 2 Date 1944

Mystery Comics 4 Date 1944

Mystery in space 8 "not CGC "

Police 31 Date 6/44

Rangers Comics 18 Date 8/44

Rangers Comics 39 Date 2/48

Rangers Comics 43.jpg "not CGC"

Ranger Comics 44 Date 11/48

Red Dragon 7 Date 7/43 "earliest camp Okajima?"

Sensation Comics 35 Date 11/44

Shadow Comics v4n3 Date 6/44

Shadow Comics v9n4 Date 7/49

Space Squadron 5 Date 2/52

Startling Comics 24 Date 11/43

Startling Comics 28 Date 7/44

Startling Comics 46 Date 7/47

Startling Comics 51 Date 5/48

Strange Worlds 5 Date 11/51

Sub-Mariner 32 Date 6/49

Super magician Comics v3n1 5/44

Super magician Comics v3n11 Date 3/45

Tarzan 2 Date 4/48

Thrilling Comics 68 Date 10/48

Thun'da Comics 70 Date 1952

Tomahawk 3 Date 2/51

Tomahawk 7 Date 10/51

Venus 5 Date 6/49

Venus 9 Date 5/50

Wings 87 Date 11/47

Wings 98 Date 10/48

Wings 111 Date 1950

Wings 115 Date 1950

Wonder Comics 13 Date 8/47

Wow Comics 34 Date 3/45

Zegra Jungle Empress 3 Date 12/48

Zip 46 Date 5/44

Zoot 12 Date 1/48

 

Below is the probable Okajimas "but not confirmed" books. "either we do not have a scan of the book or have been unable to verify 100% the book. these books are still more than likely true Okajima's"

Probable Okajima Books

Air Fighter Comics V2N9

All new comics 11 raw

Candy 10

Candy 17

Candy 35

Captain Marvel Adventures 36 CGC 6.0

Jo-Jo (8)(9) CGC'ed but not labled as Okajima CGC 9.2

Jungle 113 Raw

Kaanga Comics 5 CGC 6.0

Jumbo Comics 136 136 CGC 7.5

Jungle Comics 140 CGC 6.5

Mary Marvel 5

Mystery Comics 1 CGC 9.0

National Comics 45

National Comics 46

Nyoka, The Jungle Girl #14 (CGC 9.4)

Nyoka, The Jungle Girl #18 (CGC 9.0)

Nyoka, The Jungle Girl #26 (CGC 9.0)

Rangers Comics 44 CGC 9.0

Shadow Comics v4n9 CGC 7.0

Star Spangled Comics 33 CGC 7.0

Teen Comics 35 Raw

Thrilling 60

Thrilling 61 CGC 9.2 Okajima

Thrilling 63

Thrilling 66 back is date-stamped April 12, 1948

Venus 15 Raw

Wings Comics 100 CGC 9.2

Wings Comics 105

Wow Comics #29 CGC 6.0

Wow Comics #23 CGC 8.0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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wwcomics lists the following books as having been sold as okajima's "along with pics" someone want to see if they agree with this, because i am not sure i see any indication that these are truely Okajima's

 

Jumbo Comics #101

http://www.wwcomics.com/comicdetail.asp?product_id=JUMBOCOMICS_101_53176

 

Nyoka the Jungle Girl 29

http://www.wwcomics.com/comicdetail.asp?Product_ID=NyokatheJungleGirl_29_43155

 

Ranger Comics 54

http://www.wwcomics.com/comicdetail.asp?product_id=RANGERSCOMICS_54_90482

 

Wild Bill Hickok 7

http://www.wwcomics.com/comicdetail.asp?product_id=WILDBILLHICKOK_7_45434

 

 

 

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Im not sure the validity of Murray's information about the books being ordered and shipped to her at the camp for a few reasons.

 

1. He mentions that the code markings on the camp books could correspond to housing or bunk assignments, but when you look at the markings thru the camp era collection it is obvious that they are used as some sort of filing/order indica by the original owner.

 

2. I wonder if his assumption that they were shipped to her had to do with the fact that the comics were discovered wrapped in bundles in packing paper (as if they had been shipped). But I always thought that was just how she (or her family later) stored the comics.

 

I wonder if he knew that there were PXs on the camp grounds where comics (and other goods) could be purchased? If someone else was sending her the comics from outside the camp I would have assumed a more "girl-subject" slant to the subject matter of the books (especially in that era) versus what was actually purchased.

 

The idea that Okajima was interred from July of 1942 until Nov of '45 (I dont know this, but Im working under the assumption that most people were processed into the camp around when it opened, and were released when the Internment act was repealed and the camps were closed) means there's a lot of gaps in the camp era collection.

 

I am aware of zero books form 1942 or earlier (and I'd assume she was not able to bring any books from her home to the camp when they were brought in)

I only know of one book from 1943.

My list is largely from '44 when the "okajima" -script appears on the books.

By '45 (when she would still be in camp) that marking stops appearing and there's examples of date stamps, but there arent many '45 examples out there (Griff has found two)

 

Did the story of her being in the camp come from one of her relatives? I ask because the background note posted earlier indicates that she was identified through a search of names in the National Archives, which would seem unnecessary if the story was already available from relatives. hm

 

Here's the link in the thread to the pedigree certificate that has come with some of the Okajimas (depending on which dealer they came from)

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7335203#Post7335203

 

This states the story, and if you look back to earlier links there's a video interview with (name eluding me at the moment) who reiterates the story.

 

The national archives search basically corroborates the story that was given by the family during the estate sale to the winning bidders. I dont know that the original bidders (who each got 1/3 of the 1200 book collection) knew ALL of the details (which camp, when her and the family entered and were released from the camp) and I've been making inquiries to some of the early owners of chunks of the collection to see what sort of info was passed along (verbally or otherwise).

 

It's a fascinating story. I hope you will write up all of your info after you have completed your research. (thumbs u

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