Hamlet Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 The positive we can take from this FF movie is now all future comic book movies will use FF as the benchmark of what not to do with iconic comic book characters. Indeed, sticking to the source material, the original costumes, etc. is a key lesson learned. But this movie failed epically for reasons well beyond deviation from the iconic Lee/Kirby mythology. There is a story behind the movie that at some point will be told in clear detail. Based on the rumours about Trank over the last 12 months, the reshooting that took place in the Spring, and what -- based on what many of the critics have been pointing out -- appears to have been a completely redone/reworked final 25% of the film -- which perhaps suggests that Fox Studios didn't like the original director's cut that maybe lacked sufficient action (?) -- this was a production and -script train wreck that Fox Studios and the film's producers are as much responsible for as anyone. I'm not defending Mr. Trank, but I'm sure if he could speak freely about WTF happened, we would hear an interesting side of the story. you seriously think if the costumes were more similar to the originals that would have had ANY impact on the reviews or the box office? How many people 18-49 in America do you think have read Fantastic Four 1-5. 10K? What percent of movie critics do you think have read Fantastic Four 1-5? A marginally higher percentage than the general population? I know I haven't, and I like comics. A LOT. The movie didn't fail because the ideas because the ideas weren't true to the original, it failed because the ideas were bad. How similar was Cap 2 to anything we've read? Or Spider-Man 1, or the good X-men movies? You take the ideas and assemble and add things in a way that makes things fun and relevant and entertaining, hopefully. That doesn't mean there isn't a good TRUE movie out there to be told, just that I wouldn't count on the lesson learned from this to be 'stay true to the source material'. Obviously nothing is a direct link to comic, but are you telling me you can't see the difference between Captain America in the Marvel movies and Dr. Doom in the Fox movies? Seriously? Sure, the majority of the audience of the movies doesn't read comics, but if you burn down the characters look and personalities, a not-so insignificant chunk of comic movie-goers will hate the idea and possibly not attend. Not going to happen again after this debacle. I think it is important to stay true to the spirit of the source material, but not necessarily the actual details. Most original comic costumes would look ridiculous in real life, so the movies change or cgi them. Likewise, movies often require a lot of simplification of the plot to work, like Ultron being Stark's creation, for example. The first Spider-Man movie made his webs organic instead of mechanical, and I think that streamlined things. You need to get the themes right, though. That is the part of the source material you need to stay true to, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanheart Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Are we forgetting there was a Howard the Duck movie that did very bad? At least Halle Berry and Jennifer Garner were hot. Has anyone on here actually seen the film that can give a spoiler-free review. I went through 40 pages and can't see anything other that the avg rating from other critics pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 the popcorn was good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelcollector Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Making this thread in anticipation of the movie coming out tomorrow! Post your positive reviews here WRONG FORUMS. Correct, this is not Fantasy Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLiamSturgess Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I'm seeing it tonight, and will post a (hopefully) extensive and (doubtfully) optimistic review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Furthermore who are these critics anyway? Christy Lemire ChristyLemire.com Josh Terry Deseret News, Salt Lake City Brad Keefe Columbus Alive Bruce Bennett Spectrum (St. George, Utah) Robert Roten Laramie Movie Scope greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 These tomato ratings are a little misleading greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Fahrenheit Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Furthermore who are these critics anyway? Christy Lemire ChristyLemire.com Josh Terry Deseret News, Salt Lake City Brad Keefe Columbus Alive Bruce Bennett Spectrum (St. George, Utah) Robert Roten Laramie Movie Scope Those are all Chuck Gower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 here are the reviews 2.5/4 9% Fantastic Four (2015) "There are hints of a more compelling story but they are never developed and the movie as a whole seems like the unhappy marriage of competing agendas. " ‐ ReelViews Posted Aug 6, 2015 C 9% Fantastic Four (2015) "This Josh Trank-directed reboot had a very low hurdle to overcome to become the best FF movie so far. The most fantastical aspect of the movie is that it may not achieve that goal. " ‐ Entertainment Weekly Posted Aug 6, 2015 2/4 9% Fantastic Four (2015) "I can't remember the last time four actors appeared less invested in a movie for which they've teamed up. " ‐ Philadelphia Inquirer 0.5/4 9% Fantastic Four (2015) "Fantastic Four is quite possibly the least action-filled action movie in Marvel history. " ‐ National Post Posted Aug 6, 2015 2.5/5 10% Fantastic Four (2015) "The cast is great all of them have proven to be great actos, the problem here is a poor -script and even poorer dialogue. [Full review in Spanish] " ‐ Cine Premiere 2/5 10% Fantastic Four (2015) "Teller, Mara and company are very capable young actors who bring sensitivity and humour to their roles, but that isn't necessarily what audiences want from Marvel-era superhero blockbusters. " ‐ Independent greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zosocane Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Are we forgetting there was a Howard the Duck movie that did very bad? At least Halle Berry and Jennifer Garner were hot. Has anyone on here actually seen the film that can give a spoiler-free review. I went through 40 pages and can't see anything other that the avg rating from other critics pages. Howard the Duck 14% on RT. FF easily in command for Worst Comic Book Movie of All Time at 9%, nipping at Catwoman's tail (8%), with the rest of the reviews posted by tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I really can't imagine Elektra/Catwoman getting higher than 1 star on their reviews greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Elektra 1 tomato rating or 0 can't tell 10% Elektra (2005) "There isn't a whisper of spontaneity. " ‐ Slate Posted Jul 14, 2015 10% Elektra (2005) "The movie's dominant visual tone is bronzed grunge, and its emotional tone is depressive. " ‐ Wall Street Journal Posted Jul 14, 2015 1.5/4 10% Elektra (2005) "Garner, who showed a promising comic touch last year in 13 Going On 30, does her movie career no favors here. " ‐ People Magazine Posted Jul 14, 2015 10% Elektra (2005) "The problem is Elektra is not among the most compelling of characters. She doesn't have enough humanity and the story not enough depth to sustain us between fight scenes. " ‐ Hollywood.com greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogami Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Furthermore who are these critics anyway? Christy Lemire ChristyLemire.com Josh Terry Deseret News, Salt Lake City Brad Keefe Columbus Alive Bruce Bennett Spectrum (St. George, Utah) Robert Roten Laramie Movie Scope Those are all Chuck Gower. This thread has moved on. Did you get permission to revisit this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Furthermore who are these critics anyway? Christy Lemire ChristyLemire.com Josh Terry Deseret News, Salt Lake City Brad Keefe Columbus Alive Bruce Bennett Spectrum (St. George, Utah) Robert Roten Laramie Movie Scope Those are all Chuck Gower. This thread has moved on. Did you get permission to revisit this issue? It's still Chuck's birthday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Catwoman zero 9% Catwoman (2004) "The screenplay's a hodgepodge of witchcraft, ancient Egyptian lore, pulp feminism, and a dash of S&M. " ‐ Chicago Reader Posted May 3, 2014 9% Catwoman (2004) "Catwoman's director, a visual-effects specialist named Pitof, is not contained by the rules of filmmaking. Scenes that make sense? Nonsense. Characters with inner lives? Utterly passe. " ‐ Wall Street Journal 2/5 9% Catwoman (2004) "It's painful. " ‐ At the Movies (Australia) Posted Jun 29, 2015 greggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Comics Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I just got back and took my 13 year old girl and her best friend. The best friend who doesn't know superheroes at all, thought it was really good and all the way home were trying to come up with superhero names. I thought it was actually really good. Something I've wanted to see for a long time, an hour and a half origin story, that actually made sense followed by a fifteen minute "big fight" by somebody who actually had reason and motivation to be pizzed off. I can see why others might not like it, if you want action followed by more action. It was also quite dark too. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogami Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Furthermore who are these critics anyway? Christy Lemire ChristyLemire.com Josh Terry Deseret News, Salt Lake City Brad Keefe Columbus Alive Bruce Bennett Spectrum (St. George, Utah) Robert Roten Laramie Movie Scope Those are all Chuck Gower. This thread has moved on. Did you get permission to revisit this issue? It's still Chuck's birthday. I'm not allowed to wish him happy birthday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I just got back and took my 13 year old girl and her best friend. The best friend who doesn't know superheroes at all, thought it was really good and all the way home were trying to come up with superhero names. I thought it was actually really good. Something I've wanted to see for a long time, an hour and a half origin story, that actually made sense followed by a fifteen minute "big fight" by somebody who actually had reason and motivation to be pizzed off. I can see why others might not like it, if you want action followed by more action. It was also quite dark too. Jim Have I ever asked you how you feel about the two Ghost Rider movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Furthermore who are these critics anyway? Christy Lemire ChristyLemire.com Josh Terry Deseret News, Salt Lake City Brad Keefe Columbus Alive Bruce Bennett Spectrum (St. George, Utah) Robert Roten Laramie Movie Scope Those are all Chuck Gower. This thread has moved on. Did you get permission to revisit this issue? It's still Chuck's birthday. I'm not allowed to wish him happy birthday. You are, just not in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisInBaltimore Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Furthermore who are these critics anyway? Christy Lemire ChristyLemire.com Josh Terry Deseret News, Salt Lake City Brad Keefe Columbus Alive Bruce Bennett Spectrum (St. George, Utah) Robert Roten Laramie Movie Scope Laramie Movie Scope: http://www.lariat.org/atthemovies/ I lived in Laramie WY for 6 years. It was a fun town in the middle of nowhere. Weird to see the name on there. Here is a brief explanation from RT: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/source-254/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
