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[Rip]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2014 by Rip

[Jaydogrules]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

[Prince Namor]

Comparing an 8.5 sale to a 9.2 sale on this book shows how little you understand or know the market. Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself.

[Jaydogrules]

Comparing an 8.5 sale to a 9.2 sale on this book shows how little you understand or know the market. Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

And your post shows your poor reading comprehension skills.

What I actually did was extrapolate a current FMV for a 9.0 based on the recent 8.5 sale. RIP sought to use that 9.0 sale as a basis for stating that a 9.2 would do even better. In disputing that I referred him to the 8.5 sale which actually suggests, in my opinion, that the book is going backward, drags down the FMV of the 9.0 that closed a year ago, and is further evidence that the book is declining in ALL grades, so there is no reason to believe that a 9.2 would somehow defy every other grade of the book and magically double in value.

 

But please, do continue your attempts at petty and derisive posting instead of posting any actual relevant publicly available sales data. (thumbs u

 

-J.

[Rip]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

 

But an 8.0 sold for $833 in Aug.

The $850 was in Jun.

So now what?

Edited September 7, 2014 by Rip

[Jaydogrules]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

 

But an 8.0 sold for $833 in Aug.

The $850 was in Jun.

So now what?

 

Exactly. Now what ? That puts the value of an 8.0 and 8.5 in the $800-900 range. Which would put the current FMV of a 9.0 generously at about $1500. The book is soft, don't shoot the messenger.

 

-J.

[Rip]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

 

But an 8.0 sold for $833 in Aug.

The $850 was in Jun.

So now what?

 

Exactly. Now what ? That puts the value of an 8.0 and 8.5 in the $800-900 range. Which would put the current FMV of a 9.0 generously at about $1500. The book is soft, don't shoot the messenger.

 

-J.

 

I'm not shooting the messenger, but the book isn't dropping in all grades either as I just showed.

Not sure how 8.5 at $850=$1500 in 9.0 and 8.0 at $833 = $1500 in 9.0 also.

Also the 8.5 price went up from last year. From $820-$855. So no, I do not agree with your analysis.

 

Maybe the photos are part of the reason why the 8.5 went for less.

Link to 8.5 sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

Link to 8.0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cerebus-1-1977-CGC-8-0-ow-w-1st-Cerebus-appearance-by-Dave-Sim-NO-RESERVE-/171397561372?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item27e8173c1c&nma=true&si=d0tvFngGNNmNaeEsocRHzChtLcU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

 

Edited September 7, 2014 by Rip

[Prince Namor]

Comparing an 8.5 sale to a 9.2 sale on this book shows how little you understand or know the market. Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

And your post shows your poor reading comprehension skills.

What I actually did was extrapolate a current FMV for a 9.0 based on the recent 8.5 sale. RIP sought to use that 9.0 sale as a basis for stating that a 9.2 would do even better. In disputing that I referred him to the 8.5 sale which actually suggests, in my opinion, that the book is going backward, drags down the FMV of the 9.0 that closed a year ago, and is further evidence that the book is declining in ALL grades, so there is no reason to believe that a 9.2 would somehow defy every other grade of the book and magically double in value.

 

But please, do continue your attempts at petty and derisive posting instead of posting any actual relevant publicly available sales data. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

No I read it just fine.

It shows you have no idea what you're talking about in this.

[Jaydogrules]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

 

But an 8.0 sold for $833 in Aug.

The $850 was in Jun.

So now what?

 

Exactly. Now what ? That puts the value of an 8.0 and 8.5 in the $800-900 range. Which would put the current FMV of a 9.0 generously at about $1500. The book is soft, don't shoot the messenger.

 

-J.

 

I'm not shooting the messenger, but the book isn't dropping in all grades either as I just showed.

Not sure how 8.5 at $850=$1500 in 9.0 and 8.0 at $833 = $1500 in 9.0 also.

 

Maybe the photos are part of the reason why the 8.5 went for less.

Link to 8.5 sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

Link to 8.0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cerebus-1-1977-CGC-8-0-ow-w-1st-Cerebus-appearance-by-Dave-Sim-NO-RESERVE-/171397561372?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item27e8173c1c&nma=true&si=d0tvFngGNNmNaeEsocRHzChtLcU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

Price compression is not at all uncommon in books like this. Take for example the 7.0 and 7.5 on comic link. The 7.0 is pending at $786, meanwhile the 7.5 is listed with a BIN for $750, with no takers and a top offer of $550.

 

Also on c link is an 8.5 pending for $1,050, with another 8.5 right below it with an offer no higher than the $850 the last one closed at on ebay.

 

As I said, the book is at best flat, and at worst going down in value from its top grade (9.4) on down. There is simply no basis for concluding that a 9.2 would somehow be the lone grade to double in value from its previous sales.

 

-J.

[Jaydogrules]

Comparing an 8.5 sale to a 9.2 sale on this book shows how little you understand or know the market. Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

And your post shows your poor reading comprehension skills.

What I actually did was extrapolate a current FMV for a 9.0 based on the recent 8.5 sale. RIP sought to use that 9.0 sale as a basis for stating that a 9.2 would do even better. In disputing that I referred him to the 8.5 sale which actually suggests, in my opinion, that the book is going backward, drags down the FMV of the 9.0 that closed a year ago, and is further evidence that the book is declining in ALL grades, so there is no reason to believe that a 9.2 would somehow defy every other grade of the book and magically double in value.

 

But please, do continue your attempts at petty and derisive posting instead of posting any actual relevant publicly available sales data. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

No I read it just fine.

It shows you have no idea what you're talking about in this.

 

Still waiting on that publicly available sales data, bud, that backs up anything you have to say. (thumbs u

 

-J.

[Rip]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

 

But an 8.0 sold for $833 in Aug.

The $850 was in Jun.

So now what?

 

Exactly. Now what ? That puts the value of an 8.0 and 8.5 in the $800-900 range. Which would put the current FMV of a 9.0 generously at about $1500. The book is soft, don't shoot the messenger.

 

-J.

 

I'm not shooting the messenger, but the book isn't dropping in all grades either as I just showed.

Not sure how 8.5 at $850=$1500 in 9.0 and 8.0 at $833 = $1500 in 9.0 also.

 

Maybe the photos are part of the reason why the 8.5 went for less.

Link to 8.5 sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

Link to 8.0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cerebus-1-1977-CGC-8-0-ow-w-1st-Cerebus-appearance-by-Dave-Sim-NO-RESERVE-/171397561372?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item27e8173c1c&nma=true&si=d0tvFngGNNmNaeEsocRHzChtLcU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

Price compression is not at all uncommon in books like this. Take for example the 7.0 and 7.5 on comic link. The 7.0 is pending at $786, meanwhile the 7.5 is listed with a BIN for $750, with no takers and a top offer of $550.

 

Also on c link is an 8.5 pending for $1,050, with another 8.5 right below it with an offer no higher than the $850 the last one closed at on ebay.

 

As I said, the book is at best flat, and at worst going down in value from its top grade (9.4) on down. There is simply no basis for concluding that a 9.2 would somehow be the lone grade to double in value from its previous sales.

 

-J.

I added another piece of data also before you posted.

"The 8.5 price went up from last year. From $820-$855. So no, I do not agree with your analysis."

[Jaydogrules]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

 

But an 8.0 sold for $833 in Aug.

The $850 was in Jun.

So now what?

 

Exactly. Now what ? That puts the value of an 8.0 and 8.5 in the $800-900 range. Which would put the current FMV of a 9.0 generously at about $1500. The book is soft, don't shoot the messenger.

 

-J.

 

I'm not shooting the messenger, but the book isn't dropping in all grades either as I just showed.

Not sure how 8.5 at $850=$1500 in 9.0 and 8.0 at $833 = $1500 in 9.0 also.

 

Maybe the photos are part of the reason why the 8.5 went for less.

Link to 8.5 sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

Link to 8.0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cerebus-1-1977-CGC-8-0-ow-w-1st-Cerebus-appearance-by-Dave-Sim-NO-RESERVE-/171397561372?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item27e8173c1c&nma=true&si=d0tvFngGNNmNaeEsocRHzChtLcU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

Price compression is not at all uncommon in books like this. Take for example the 7.0 and 7.5 on comic link. The 7.0 is pending at $786, meanwhile the 7.5 is listed with a BIN for $750, with no takers and a top offer of $550.

 

Also on c link is an 8.5 pending for $1,050, with another 8.5 right below it with an offer no higher than the $850 the last one closed at on ebay.

 

As I said, the book is at best flat, and at worst going down in value from its top grade (9.4) on down. There is simply no basis for concluding that a 9.2 would somehow be the lone grade to double in value from its previous sales.

 

-J.

 

I added another piece of data also before you posted.

"The 8.5 price went up from last year. From $820-$855. So no, I do not agree with your analysis."

 

That sure would look like a "flat" value to me. And still nothing to support the notion that a 9.2 would somehow double its last sale price if one came to market. There is nothing happening in the market to suggest people are waiting on pins and needles to snap up copies of this at a premium in high grade (which an 8.5 is).

 

-J.

[Rip]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

 

But an 8.0 sold for $833 in Aug.

The $850 was in Jun.

So now what?

 

Exactly. Now what ? That puts the value of an 8.0 and 8.5 in the $800-900 range. Which would put the current FMV of a 9.0 generously at about $1500. The book is soft, don't shoot the messenger.

 

-J.

 

I'm not shooting the messenger, but the book isn't dropping in all grades either as I just showed.

Not sure how 8.5 at $850=$1500 in 9.0 and 8.0 at $833 = $1500 in 9.0 also.

 

Maybe the photos are part of the reason why the 8.5 went for less.

Link to 8.5 sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

Link to 8.0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cerebus-1-1977-CGC-8-0-ow-w-1st-Cerebus-appearance-by-Dave-Sim-NO-RESERVE-/171397561372?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item27e8173c1c&nma=true&si=d0tvFngGNNmNaeEsocRHzChtLcU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

Price compression is not at all uncommon in books like this. Take for example the 7.0 and 7.5 on comic link. The 7.0 is pending at $786, meanwhile the 7.5 is listed with a BIN for $750, with no takers and a top offer of $550.

 

Also on c link is an 8.5 pending for $1,050, with another 8.5 right below it with an offer no higher than the $850 the last one closed at on ebay.

 

As I said, the book is at best flat, and at worst going down in value from its top grade (9.4) on down. There is simply no basis for concluding that a 9.2 would somehow be the lone grade to double in value from its previous sales.

 

-J.

 

I added another piece of data also before you posted.

"The 8.5 price went up from last year. From $820-$855. So no, I do not agree with your analysis."

 

That sure would look like a "flat" value to me. And still nothing to support the notion that a 9.2 would somehow double its last sale if one came to market.

 

-J.

 

So then by that same analysis the 9.0 would be flat at around $2500

Edited September 7, 2014 by Rip

[Jaydogrules]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

 

But an 8.0 sold for $833 in Aug.

The $850 was in Jun.

So now what?

 

Exactly. Now what ? That puts the value of an 8.0 and 8.5 in the $800-900 range. Which would put the current FMV of a 9.0 generously at about $1500. The book is soft, don't shoot the messenger.

 

-J.

 

I'm not shooting the messenger, but the book isn't dropping in all grades either as I just showed.

Not sure how 8.5 at $850=$1500 in 9.0 and 8.0 at $833 = $1500 in 9.0 also.

 

Maybe the photos are part of the reason why the 8.5 went for less.

Link to 8.5 sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

Link to 8.0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cerebus-1-1977-CGC-8-0-ow-w-1st-Cerebus-appearance-by-Dave-Sim-NO-RESERVE-/171397561372?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item27e8173c1c&nma=true&si=d0tvFngGNNmNaeEsocRHzChtLcU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

Price compression is not at all uncommon in books like this. Take for example the 7.0 and 7.5 on comic link. The 7.0 is pending at $786, meanwhile the 7.5 is listed with a BIN for $750, with no takers and a top offer of $550.

 

Also on c link is an 8.5 pending for $1,050, with another 8.5 right below it with an offer no higher than the $850 the last one closed at on ebay.

 

As I said, the book is at best flat, and at worst going down in value from its top grade (9.4) on down. There is simply no basis for concluding that a 9.2 would somehow be the lone grade to double in value from its previous sales.

 

-J.

 

I added another piece of data also before you posted.

"The 8.5 price went up from last year. From $820-$855. So no, I do not agree with your analysis."

 

That sure would look like a "flat" value to me. And still nothing to support the notion that a 9.2 would somehow double its last sale if one came to market.

 

-J.

 

So then by that same analysis the 9.0 would be flat at $2500

 

I like what you're doing there, but no. . I'm asserting that the more recent sales of the 8.5 have dragged down the 9.0 to more the $1500 range. That 9.0 sale certainly is not frozen in time as more recent sales in an adjacent grade have remained soft and have certainly impacted its FMV.

 

-J.

[Rip]

Its not unreasonable to say that non signed copies will likely sell for more than SS copies based on the sales data.

A 9.0 Blue sold for $2500 last year. A 9.2 yellow sold for $1,434 in 2012 and a signed file copy sold for $1725 in 2010.

A lot less buyers and sellers make the book a more questionable investment but, I'd take the Cerebus 1 for 9.0 and above in a Blue Label. And if a Cerebus 1 got a 9.2, it would be the only one, so yes I believe it would go for more than a Hulk 181 in 9.0-9.4, at least in blue.

 

 

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. And that might be generous. There is simply no recent publicly available sales data to suggest that a 9.2, regardless of label colour, would somehow double its last sales results. If anything, all data points to it being flat or even lower in value since 2012. The demand for the book seems to be more theoretical than real.

 

-J.

 

But an 8.0 sold for $833 in Aug.

The $850 was in Jun.

So now what?

 

Exactly. Now what ? That puts the value of an 8.0 and 8.5 in the $800-900 range. Which would put the current FMV of a 9.0 generously at about $1500. The book is soft, don't shoot the messenger.

 

-J.

 

I'm not shooting the messenger, but the book isn't dropping in all grades either as I just showed.

Not sure how 8.5 at $850=$1500 in 9.0 and 8.0 at $833 = $1500 in 9.0 also.

 

Maybe the photos are part of the reason why the 8.5 went for less.

Link to 8.5 sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEREBUS-1-CGC-8-5-2000-PRINT-RUN-SUPER-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-HTF-/251567379955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a929595f3

Link to 8.0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cerebus-1-1977-CGC-8-0-ow-w-1st-Cerebus-appearance-by-Dave-Sim-NO-RESERVE-/171397561372?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item27e8173c1c&nma=true&si=d0tvFngGNNmNaeEsocRHzChtLcU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

 

Price compression is not at all uncommon in books like this. Take for example the 7.0 and 7.5 on comic link. The 7.0 is pending at $786, meanwhile the 7.5 is listed with a BIN for $750, with no takers and a top offer of $550.

 

Also on c link is an 8.5 pending for $1,050, with another 8.5 right below it with an offer no higher than the $850 the last one closed at on ebay.

 

As I said, the book is at best flat, and at worst going down in value from its top grade (9.4) on down. There is simply no basis for concluding that a 9.2 would somehow be the lone grade to double in value from its previous sales.

 

-J.

 

I added another piece of data also before you posted.

"The 8.5 price went up from last year. From $820-$855. So no, I do not agree with your analysis."

 

That sure would look like a "flat" value to me. And still nothing to support the notion that a 9.2 would somehow double its last sale if one came to market.

 

-J.

 

So then by that same analysis the 9.0 would be flat at $2500

 

I like what you're doing there, but no. . I'm asserting that the more recent sales of the 8.5 have dragged down the 9.0 to more the $1500 range. That 9.0 sale certainly is not frozen in time as more recent sales in an adjacent grade have remained soft and have certainly impacted its FMV.

 

-J.

 

But how could the recent 8.5 price drag the price down if the 8.5 went up from last year when the 8.5 sold for 820 and the 9.0 sold for $2500 within a two month time period?

Can we agree this statement is false where you claim:

"Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would argue that the 8.5 sale of cerebus 1 that just sold for $850 a few weeks ago drags down the current value of that 9.0 to more in the $1500 range. "

Edited September 7, 2014 by Rip

[Prince Namor]

Comparing an 8.5 sale to a 9.2 sale on this book shows how little you understand or know the market. Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

And your post shows your poor reading comprehension skills.

What I actually did was extrapolate a current FMV for a 9.0 based on the recent 8.5 sale. RIP sought to use that 9.0 sale as a basis for stating that a 9.2 would do even better. In disputing that I referred him to the 8.5 sale which actually suggests, in my opinion, that the book is going backward, drags down the FMV of the 9.0 that closed a year ago, and is further evidence that the book is declining in ALL grades, so there is no reason to believe that a 9.2 would somehow defy every other grade of the book and magically double in value.

 

But please, do continue your attempts at petty and derisive posting instead of posting any actual relevant publicly available sales data. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

No I read it just fine.

It shows you have no idea what you're talking about in this.

 

Still waiting on that publicly available sales data, bud, that backs up anything you have to say. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

It's already there.

I can't help it you don't understand it.

You continue to read the numbers incorrectly.

But it doesn't matter anyway.

National dealers are saying you're wrong.

High grade collectors are saying you're wrong.

Members far more proficient at analyzing GPA have said you're wrong.

The poll disagrees with you.

 

Yet here you are.

 

 

[Gatsby77]

 

As I said, the book is at best flat, and at worst going down in value from its top grade (9.4) on down. There is simply no basis for concluding that a 9.2 would somehow be the lone grade to double in value from its previous sales.

 

Why is it valid to use 8.5 sales data to extrapolate a 9.2 value, when it's not equally valid to use the 9.4 sale to extrapolate a 9.2?

 

We have a 9.4 Cerebus sale from this year that sold for more than double what 9.6 Hulk 181s have sold for, at least per GPA.

 

Further, at least 3 posters on this board (two of them dealers) in this very thread have said they would trade a 9.2 Hulk for a 9.2 Cerebus straight up. (Here's a hint - it's not that they are Cerebus super fans; it's that the book is simply worth more.)

 

8.5 =/= 9.2 for 90% of the books out there.

 

[Rip]

I agree price compression happens. Especially in the mid grades more often.

I also see on Comiclink;

CGC 8.5 VF+ listed 7/17/2014 SOLD $1050

CGC 8.5 VF+ listed 5/20/2014 top price offered $850 ask $1200

Edited September 7, 2014 by Rip

[Jaydogrules]

 

As I said, the book is at best flat, and at worst going down in value from its top grade (9.4) on down. There is simply no basis for concluding that a 9.2 would somehow be the lone grade to double in value from its previous sales.

 

Why is it valid to use 8.5 sales data to extrapolate a 9.2 value, when it's not equally valid to use the 9.4 sale to extrapolate a 9.2?

 

We have a 9.4 Cerebus sale from this year that sold for more than double what 9.6 Hulk 181s have sold for, at least per GPA.

 

Further, at least 3 posters on this board (two of them dealers) in this very thread have said they would trade a 9.2 Hulk for a 9.2 Cerebus straight up. (Here's a hint - it's not that they are Cerebus super fans; it's that the book is simply worth more.)

 

8.5 =/= 9.2 for 90% of the books out there.

 

Okay let me put it another way for you:

 

In 2004 a cerebus 1, 9.4 sold for about $10,600.

 

In 2010, six years later, even with that record breaking sale of a 9.4 on the record, a 9.2 could only muster $1725 on a sale.

 

Two years later in 2012 another 9.2 sold for $1434. That is a DECLINE in value over a two year period of about 17%.

 

In 2014 another 9.4 sold for $9000. That's also a DECLINE in value, this time of about 15%.

 

In that time you have one lone sale that appears to help your case...The 9.0 that sold for $2500. With all of the other sales in surrounding grades and time frames, however, that cannot be considered anything other than an outlier.

 

Because this year, there seems to be a more return to form as other similarly high grade copies are going for only $800-900 with just one sale that's been "pending" on comic link for nearly two months at $1050.

 

But as far as the top two grades of the book is concerned there has been a very real price deflation observed over the last ten years. That is, there is simply nothing out there to suggest that anything has changed and that a 9.2 would suddenly more than double in value right now to have a higher FMV than the Hulk 181 in like grade.

 

-J.

[Rip]

 

As I said, the book is at best flat, and at worst going down in value from its top grade (9.4) on down. There is simply no basis for concluding that a 9.2 would somehow be the lone grade to double in value from its previous sales.

 

Why is it valid to use 8.5 sales data to extrapolate a 9.2 value, when it's not equally valid to use the 9.4 sale to extrapolate a 9.2?

 

We have a 9.4 Cerebus sale from this year that sold for more than double what 9.6 Hulk 181s have sold for, at least per GPA.

 

Further, at least 3 posters on this board (two of them dealers) in this very thread have said they would trade a 9.2 Hulk for a 9.2 Cerebus straight up. (Here's a hint - it's not that they are Cerebus super fans; it's that the book is simply worth more.)

 

8.5 =/= 9.2 for 90% of the books out there.

 

Okay let me put it another way for you:

 

In 2004 a cerebus 1, 9.4 sold for about $10,600.

 

In 2010, six years later, with that record breaking sale of a 9.4 on the record, a 9.2 could only muster $1725 on a sale.

 

Two years later in 2012 another 9.2 sold for $1434. That is a DECLINE in value over a two year period of about 17%.

 

In 2014 another 9.4 sold for $9000. That's also a DECLINE in value, this time of about 15%.

 

In that time you have one lone sale that appears to help your case...The 9.0 that sold for $2500 last year. With all of the other sales in surrounding grades and time frames, however, that cannot be considered anything other than an outlier.

 

Because this year, there seems to be a more return to form as other similarly high grade copies are going for only $800-900 with just one sale that's been "pending" on comic link for nearly two months at $1050.

 

But as far as the top two grades of the book is concerned there has been a very real price deflation observed over the last ten years. That is, there is simply nothing out there to suggest that anything has changed and that a 9.2 would suddenly more than double in value right now to have a higher FMV than the Hulk 181 in like grade.

 

-J.

So then why can't the 10K price be an outliner? Wasn't that the first 9.4 signed copy to sell? If we tossed that price out, what do we have? Well we have a book going up in value in 9.4.

But even if we kept that, the price goes back up when we consider the recent 9.4 sale compared to the previous 9.4 sales in 2009 and 2010. I suspect the Blue label is part of that reason. I also suspect that's why the book took suck a large jump from the 2010 and 2012 yellow prices of 9.0. Of roughly (2x) $1500 Yellow to $2500 Blue.

 

Also the 9.2 was $2,136 in 2005 unless you have another sale that I missed not on GPA. I do see a SP ( 9.2 ) in 2013 sold for $1350.

 

Part of the problem is signed copies are more common than the blue labels in 9.0-9.4. It's not an easy book to figure out, I will say that. But your reasoning, I believe is incorrect.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Rip