Bosco685 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, paperheart said: oh, there it is 140 Justice League WB $228,977,297 2017 I'm surprised YOU didn't jump out there and tell he needs to adjust for inflation. Oh, that's right. Marvel movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, Bosco685 said: The Dark Knight (2008) - 2008 USD Domestic: $534,858,444 - 2018 USD Domestic: $615,754,346 It's like when Wonder Woman was being compared to Spider-Man as the biggest superhero origin movie. Comparing USD adjusted has a big impact. Which is why paperheart laughed at Forbes' Scott Mendelson for not adjusting appropriately. OOPS! Sorry. Double-standard. Can't speak for Paperheart, but yes -- this is why I noted that Black Panther has now passed Rogue One even when accounting for inflation. Big difference. That said, it will soon pass Batman (1989) on the inflation-adjusted scale -- which is incredible. comic_memories 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos_in_Canada Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Black Panther - Main on End Title Sequence Case Study - PERCEPTION http://experienceperception.com/black-panther-fui.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 NOW with 2018 USD adjustments for all movies prior to 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, paperheart said: will comfortably pass LJ; $660MM is the target Much as I'd love to see that, I think its velocity will greatly decrease after this weekend. Between now and April 1, we've got Tomb Raider, Pacific Rim 2 and Ready Player One. Even if each of them flops -- or at least underperforms -- $620MM+ is still not assured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gatsby77 said: Can't speak for Paperheart, but yes -- this is why I noted that Black Panther has now passed Rogue One even when accounting for inflation. Big difference. That said, it will soon pass Batman (1989) on the inflation-adjusted scale -- which is incredible. It is incredible. But also remember 1989 was a much more immature worldwide box office. Not meaning to take anything away from Black Panther. Especially when you note Batman (1989) domestic box office was 61% of the overall worldwide take, which nowadays is usually 38% to 42% of the worldwide total. Like we have chatted about before, that's where comparisons become a hurdle. There are market distributions with so much difference nowadays, there is no clear comparison. Edited March 11, 2018 by Bosco685 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bosco685 said: It is incredible. But also remember 1989 was a much more immature worldwide box office. Not meaning to take anything away from Black Panther. Especially when you note Batman (1989) domestic box office was 61% of the overall worldwide take, which nowadays is usually 38% to 42% of the worldwide total. Like we have chatted about before, that's where comparisons become a hurdle. There are market distributions with so much difference nowadays, there is no clear comparison. Fair. But if anything I'd argue success in this day & age is even _more_ impressive, given media fragmentation. Not only are there _far_ more major movies today than 25+ years ago (with a major blockbuster ~every two weeks) but also huge competition from Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc. streaming services that means many more folks don't go out to the movies, period, compared to a generation ago. In 1989 Batman was the runaway hit of the year, booking more than 25% more than the # 2 movie (Last Crusade). In 2018, Black Panther may not even finish in the top 3 releases of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Bosco685 said: So I didn't catch this in any of the early thread conversations once people went to see the movie. 1) Did Killmonger have the Heart-Shaped Herb burned because he felt only he should have the power, or was it because of his beliefs nobody should have power over others? 2) When Killmonger's father cries on the Astral Plane, was it due to guilt over what his son had become or because he had betrayed Wakanda (or both)? 1) The former. He wanted the power without any competition. Even knowing that burning the garden meant the power wouldn't be accessbile to his successors. 2) I'd say both -- but a bit more the former than the later (say...60/40). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos_in_Canada Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Topping $1 Billion Worldwide http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=marvel2017b.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chaos_in_Canada said: Topping $1 Billion Worldwide http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=marvel2017b.htm 1 hour ago, Bosco685 said: NOW with 2018 USD adjustments for all movies prior to 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said: 1) The former. He wanted the power without any competition. Even knowing that burning the garden meant the power wouldn't be accessbile to his successors. 2) I'd say both -- but a bit more the former than the later (say...60/40). Like I noted, I could go either way as Killmonger seemed driven by a few purposes (vengeance being dominant). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said: Fair. But if anything I'd argue success in this day & age is even _more_ impressive, given media fragmentation. Not only are there _far_ more major movies today than 25+ years ago (with a major blockbuster ~every two weeks) but also huge competition from Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc. streaming services that means many more folks don't go out to the movies, period, compared to a generation ago. In 1989 Batman was the runaway hit of the year, booking more than 25% more than the # 2 movie (Last Crusade). In 2018, Black Panther may not even finish in the top 3 releases of the year. Agreed on massive media competition nowadays. Way too many alternate paths to find entertainment. But when your market nowdays is so massive for blockbuster movies, $1 billion is seeming more achievable than any time previously. Again, in no way taking away from Black Panther, as the MCU really pulled this one together production-wise and marketing-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Gatsby77 said: Much as I'd love to see that, I think its velocity will greatly decrease after this weekend. Between now and April 1, we've got Tomb Raider, Pacific Rim 2 and Ready Player One. Even if each of them flops -- or at least underperforms -- $620MM+ is still not assured. no way, the tail on this is going to be much longer. Tomb Raider is tracking to low to high 20's, that might not even be enough to unseat the king. BP will be butting up against $600MM by next Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aweandlorder Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Bosco685 said: My wife and I finally got the chance to go see this last night at Regal Theaters. Really like their theaters, as they have those large chairs where you can kick back and feel like you are sitting on the couch. I really enjoyed this movie. And the character T'Challa is not only a portrayal of strength, but also consistently leaning towards what is right. Even when he is challenged for the crown and is advised to deny Killmonger the chance, he still does what is right based on the traditions and practices of Wakanda. It's pretty clear why movie-goers appreciate Killmonger so much. His backstory really hits at the emotions when you consider what he had to go through as an abandoned child. But the toughest scene is when he transitions to the Astral Plane to see his father, and the latter realizes what his son has become is far from what he desired for him. As a father, man that was a hard scene to get through. I see what you meant about more screen time for the Dora Milaje. There is much more screen time in this movie versus the Amazons in Wonder Woman. Especially with a couple of the main characters that engage with T'Challa throughout the movie. But when it comes to purpose and history, Wonder Woman had much more details behind the Amazons right from the beginning of the movie. Zeus created the Amazons to safeguard the world from the evils of Ares. And in the DC Movie Universe, it is to protect the God Killer for later use against Ares, which turned out to be Diana. With the Dora Milaje, what we see is they serve as Wakanda's army and imperial guard. And with their lack of ability to drive direction in Wakanda, they are shown to be sub-servant to the king. Even when Killmonger is beating T'Challa down, all they can do is stand there and observe because that is what is expected. With Killmonger as an MCU villain, he is definitely up there with some of the most impressive. Though I would still consider Loki and The Winter Soldier my favorites. But his purpose was very clear due to all his suffering and seeing what impacts former People of Africa the most: overpowering the Colonizers (a nice way of saying countries commonly Caucasian that had involvement in slave trade). So I felt he was more straightforward and driven by hate and hurt. Even when he receives the power of the Black Panther and has the caregivers burn the rest of the Heart-Shaped Herb, it is all about him being the last one to receive such powers and none other going forward. Though I could go either way with his intent being NOBODY should ever be given greater powers over their people like this, and everyone should be given the right of equality. Though he was going to achieve this through force. Overall, I would place this in the top 10. But I would still start my list with Captain America: The Winter Soldier followed by Guardians of the Galaxy and The Avengers. Where I would place Black Panther after that I still have to think it through. But easily in the Top 10. wait... You just saw this movie now??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bosco685 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 30 minutes ago, Aweandlorder said: wait... You just saw this movie now??? I'm not going through that story again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kagenish Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 35 minutes ago, Bosco685 said: I'm not going through that story again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 48 minutes ago, kagenish said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, kagenish said: You are too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
