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Marvel film & TV rights shell game - who owns what?
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WHOA!

 

Ruffalo Discusses Hulk's Future And Rights Issues For A Standalone

 

"As far as a Hulk movie, a standalone Hulk movie, Marvel doesn’t really have the rights to that yet. That’s still Universal’s property, so there’s that issue. That’s a big impediment to moving forward with that. Now I don’t think that’s insurmountable, by the way, but I don’t know where it’s going from here for me."

 

Marvel still suffering through some of its historic business decisions to stay alive.

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WHOA!

 

Ruffalo Discusses Hulk's Future And Rights Issues For A Standalone

 

"As far as a Hulk movie, a standalone Hulk movie, Marvel doesn’t really have the rights to that yet. That’s still Universal’s property, so there’s that issue. That’s a big impediment to moving forward with that. Now I don’t think that’s insurmountable, by the way, but I don’t know where it’s going from here for me."

 

Marvel still suffering through some of its historic business decisions to stay alive.

Amazing in that the people who almost bankrupted Marvel are still causing Marvel problems today 20 years later with their business decisions they did!

 

Also what`s to stop Universal from putting Hulk in their upcoming Universal Monsters reboot? hm

 

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Universal owns the DISTRIBUTION rights to Hulk. Marvel owns the character.

 

Essentially, if Marvel wants to make a Hulk movie, Disney can't distribute it. They have to give Universal that chunk of the money. But Universal can't use the character without Marvel approval.

 

Soooo... unless Marvel can get the distribution rights to Hulk back, they will continue to not make Hulk movies because they have 10,000 other characters to mine for movie material that Disney gets to keep 100% of the money on.

 

However, if someone came to Disney/Marvel tomorrow with an idea for a Hulk movie that will make them more money in profit (even taking into account Universal taking their chunk) than any other movie they could make would generate, they'll be in production next week. If they can make a guaranteed billion dollars on it even after Universal's chunk is taken out? They'll be filming in 6 weeks. But since there's not such thing as billion dollar guaranteed movie & Marvel has easily 1000 characters that they can stuff into a movie and make about the same total box office as a Hulk movie and they won't have to give Universal any of it, they won't be making a Hulk movie anytime soon.

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Universal owns the DISTRIBUTION rights to Hulk. Marvel owns the character.

 

Essentially, if Marvel wants to make a Hulk movie, Disney can't distribute it. They have to give Universal that chunk of the money. But Universal can't use the character without Marvel approval.

 

Soooo... unless Marvel can get the distribution rights to Hulk back, they will continue to not make Hulk movies because they have 10,000 other characters to mine for movie material that Disney gets to keep 100% of the money on.

 

However, if someone came to Disney/Marvel tomorrow with an idea for a Hulk movie that will make them more money in profit (even taking into account Universal taking their chunk) than any other movie they could make would generate, they'll be in production next week. If they can make a guaranteed billion dollars on it even after Universal's chunk is taken out? They'll be filming in 6 weeks. But since there's not such thing as billion dollar guaranteed movie & Marvel has easily 1000 characters that they can stuff into a movie and make about the same total box office as a Hulk movie and they won't have to give Universal any of it, they won't be making a Hulk movie anytime soon.

Good analysis.

I have to agree.

An example is why make a Hulk movie where you have to share profits with Universal, while instead just make an Ant-Man movie to keep all the profits.

If this is the case, then we can expect a long wait for a solo Hulk movie. :(

 

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Universal owns the DISTRIBUTION rights to Hulk. Marvel owns the character.

 

Essentially, if Marvel wants to make a Hulk movie, Disney can't distribute it. They have to give Universal that chunk of the money. But Universal can't use the character without Marvel approval.

 

Soooo... unless Marvel can get the distribution rights to Hulk back, they will continue to not make Hulk movies because they have 10,000 other characters to mine for movie material that Disney gets to keep 100% of the money on.

 

However, if someone came to Disney/Marvel tomorrow with an idea for a Hulk movie that will make them more money in profit (even taking into account Universal taking their chunk) than any other movie they could make would generate, they'll be in production next week. If they can make a guaranteed billion dollars on it even after Universal's chunk is taken out? They'll be filming in 6 weeks. But since there's not such thing as billion dollar guaranteed movie & Marvel has easily 1000 characters that they can stuff into a movie and make about the same total box office as a Hulk movie and they won't have to give Universal any of it, they won't be making a Hulk movie anytime soon.

 

Unfortunately, this reveals something though that was not publicly called out before. If Universal has the shared movie rights, is Marvel Studios having to pay a rights fee to have him in its films?

 

Namor is in the same boat, which has been clearly called out by Feige as one of the hurdles they are working to overcome. Why would be an interesting clarification, as it would be great to see him involved in some future project. Especially something from WW II like The Invaders.

 

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Unfortunately, this reveals something though that was not publicly called out before. If Universal has the shared movie rights, is Marvel Studios having to pay a rights fee to have him in its films?

Just movie distribution rights, not rights on the character itself.

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Unfortunately, this reveals something though that was not publicly called out before. If Universal has the shared movie rights, is Marvel Studios having to pay a rights fee to have him in its films?

 

Namor is in the same boat, which has been clearly called out by Feige as one of the hurdles they are working to overcome. Why would be an interesting clarification, as it would be great to see him involved in some future project. Especially something from WW II like The Invaders.

 

:wishluck:

 

They're different situations. Hulk is an issue of Marvel having Film rights and Universal having Distribution rights. Hulk solo film? Marvel makes it. Universal distributes it. Money gets split up. Hulk guest-star movie or ensemble movie? Marvel makes it, Disney distributes it. Disney keeps all the money.

 

Namor is an issue of Universal having both the Film & Distribution rights (same as the Ang Lee Hulk movie), but requiring Marvel creative control involvement to do anything. Post-Disney-acquisition, Marvel has no interest in being involved in the production of non-Disney-distributed movies for financial reasons. They only make pennies on the dollar that they would for their own characters. So it's essentially a case of Marvel waiting out the Universal rights to Namor (if possible, I don't know when the expiration date of the rights hits) though I have heard mention of it over the past few years that Marvel had or was going to be shortly getting the rights back. Same way the Fox/DD, & the LGF/Punisher/Ghost Rider rights issues reverted.

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UPDATE: Noting the Universal distribution rights with Incredible Hulk.

 

CONFIRMED:

 

20th Century Fox

  • Apocalypse: News Article #1 (12-2013)
     
  • Deadpool: Wade Wilson/Deadpool.
     
  • Elektra and associated alliances & villains: News Article #1 (8-2012) News Article #2 (April-2014) : Elektra Natchios/Elektra, Christine Cord/Tatoo, Typhoid Mary/Marry Alice Walker, Kirigi, Stick, Stone.
     
  • Fantastic Four: Victor von Doom (Doctor Doom), Johnny Storm (Human Torch), Susan Storm (Invisible Woman), Dr. Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic), Ben Grimm (The Thing), Frankie Raye (Nova), Alicia Masters, Willie Lumpkin.
     
  • Galactus, Silver Surfer: News Article #1 (8-2012) News Article #2
     
  • Skrulls (could be connected with Fantastic Four movie rights).
     
  • X-Force and associated alliances & villains: TBD.
     
  • X-Men Mutants and associated alliances & villains: Agent Zero/Maverick/David North, Angel/Warren Worthington III, Arclight/Phillippa Sontag, Beast/Dr. Henry Phillip “Hank” McCoy, [blob/Frederick J. Dukes], [bolt/Christopher Bradley], Callisto, Colossus/Piotr Nikolaievitch Rasputin, Cyclops/Scott Summers, Emma (Grace) Frost, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Juggernaut/Cain Marko, Gambit/Remy LeBeau, Glob Herman/Herman Gardner, Iceman/Bobby Drake, Jubilee/Jubilation Lee, Katherine “Kitty” Anne Pryde, [Kestrel/John Wraith], Lady Deathstrike/Yuriko Oyama, Leech, Magneto/Erik Magnus Lehnsherr, Mastermind/Jason (Wyngarde), Multiple Man/James Arthur Madrox, Mystique/Raven Darkholme, Nightcrawler/Kurt Wagner, Phat/William Robert “Billy-Bob” Reilly, Professor Charles Xavier, Psylocke/Elizabeth “Betsy” Braddock, Pyro/St. John Allerdyce, Quill/Max Jordan, Rogue/(Anna) Marie, Sabretooth/Victor Creed, Sebastian Hiram Shaw, [silver Fox], Siryn/Theresa Rourke Cassidy, (The) Spike, Storm/Ororo Munroe, Wolverine/Logan.
     
  • X-Men Non-Mutants: Drake Family (Steven, Madeline, Ronny), Grey Family (Dr. John, Elaine), Henry Peter Gyrich, Robert Edward Kelly, Dr. Moira Kinross MacTaggert, Dr. Kavita Rao, William Stryker, Bolivar Trask, Warren Worthington II

 

Sony Pictures

 

Marvel Studios

  • Ant-Man and associated alliances & villains: Hank Pym; other associated characters TBD.
     
  • Avengers and associated alliances & villains: Clint Barton/Hawkeye, Thanos.
     
  • Black Panther (formerly with Lionsgate): News Article #1, News Article #2.
     
  • Black Widow (formerly with Lionsgate): News Article #1 (2006 rights transfer back to Marvel)
     
  • Blade and associated alliances & villains: News Article #1 (2013 - Marvel recovers rights) Blade, Deacon Frost, Vlad Tepes (Dracula), Hannibal King, Abraham Whistler.
     
  • Captain America, associated alliances & villains: Steve Rogers/Captain America, Bucky, Red Skull, The Winter Soldier, Sam Wilson (Falcon), Brock Rumlow (Crossbones), Georges Batroc, Nick Fury, Natasha Romanoff (Black Widow), S.H.I.E.L.D. organization.
     
  • Daredevil and associated alliances & villains: News Article #1 (2013 - Marvel recovers rights): Daredevil/Matt Murdock, The Kingpin/Wilson Fisk, Bullseye, Jack Murdock, Karen Page, Ben Urich
     
  • Ghost Rider and associated alliances & villains: News Article #1 (2013 - Marvel recovers rights) Ghost Rider/Johnny Blaze, Blackheart/Legion, Phantom Rider/Carter Slade, Abigor, Gressil, Mephistopheles, Wallow, Barton Blaze, Roxanne Simpson.
     
  • Guardians of the Galaxy and associated alliances & villains: Star-Lord, Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Ronan the Accuser, Yondu, Nebula, Korath, Taneleer Tivan/The Collector, Rhomann Dey, Nova Prime, Rocket Raccoon (Groot??).
     
  • Incredible Hulk and associated alliances & villains (not including distribution rights): Bruce Banner (Hulk), Betty Ross, Abomination, General "Thunderbolt" Ross, Dr. Leonard Samson.
     
  • Iron Man and associated alliances & villains: Tony Stark (Iron Man), James Rhodes (War Machine), Mark Scarlotti/Anton Vanko (Whiplash), Mandarin, Justin Hammer.
     
  • Power Man & Iron Fist and associated alliances & villains: News Article #1 (2013 - Confirmed film rights) News Article 2 : Iron Fist, Luke Cage/Power Man.
     
  • Punisher and associated alliances & villains: News Article #1 (7-2010: Marvel regains rights): The Punisher/Frank Castle, Jigsaw/Billy Russoti, Microchip/Linus Liberman, Joan the Mouse, Maginty, Mr. Bumpo, Spacker Dave, The Russian, Maria Elizabeth Castle, Detective Martin Soap.
     
  • Spider-Man (TV rights - live and animated): News Article #1.
     
  • Spider-Man (merchandising rights): News Article #1
     
  • Thor and associated alliances & villains: Thor, Loki, Odin, Heimdall, Malekith, Algrim/Kurse, Volstagg, Fandral, Hogun, Sif, Frigga, Jane Foster.
     
  • Uatu the Watcher TV rights (clearly Marvel).

 

Universal Pictures

 

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They're different situations. Hulk is an issue of Marvel having Film rights and Universal having Distribution rights. Hulk solo film? Marvel makes it. Universal distributes it. Money gets split up. Hulk guest-star movie or ensemble movie? Marvel makes it, Disney distributes it. Disney keeps all the money.

 

Namor is an issue of Universal having both the Film & Distribution rights (same as the Ang Lee Hulk movie), but requiring Marvel creative control involvement to do anything. Post-Disney-acquisition, Marvel has no interest in being involved in the production of non-Disney-distributed movies for financial reasons. They only make pennies on the dollar that they would for their own characters. So it's essentially a case of Marvel waiting out the Universal rights to Namor (if possible, I don't know when the expiration date of the rights hits) though I have heard mention of it over the past few years that Marvel had or was going to be shortly getting the rights back. Same way the Fox/DD, & the LGF/Punisher/Ghost Rider rights issues reverted.

 

Thanks for the clarification on the Hulk/Universal distribution rights. I've added a Newsarama article that outlines this as a reference.

 

On the others, including Namor, references to some of what Feige has noted before are captured.

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Also, one thing you might want to clarify is the issue of the Skrulls. Sorry ahead of time for the long-winded reply:

 

There's joint-use of the Skrulls with Marvel & Fox. The Super-Skrull, however, is part of the FF rights. Here's where it gets a little muddy though:

 

So only the Super Skrull specifically was part of the deal with Fox for FF. But that's like buying the rights to a human character named Bob but having the guy try to argue that you didn't buy the rights to portray the human race. So by default, Fox is allowed to use the Skrull race. But Marvel does as well, since they didn't specifically sell the rights to the Skrull race. Only a particular Skrull character.

 

The problem is with the power sets & the differentiation.

 

The problem is, there's some murkiness with where Skrull powers & Super Skrull powers are divided. Marvel can't use the Super Skrull, but can use the Skrulls.

 

Physically, there's little to differentiate them the way you could say 2 otherwise similar characters that dress totally different but kinda behave the same way. So you can't sort it out that way. Which leaves us with power sets to differentiate.

 

We've obviously seen Skrulls not only take on human form as a power, but mimic powers, without them being Super Skrull. But we also know that Skrulls are only supposed to be humanoid shapeshifters. Not really any more or less strong than any other humanoid alien, which makes them not a terribly interesting enemy in the comics, while Super Skrulls are supposedly the same but also able to mimic powers (most regularly, the FF, but that's just convenient). Marvel has even shown some confusion on that line between Skrull & Super Skrull in the past in the comics. Not really much of a big deal in publishing since the worst that happens is a bunch of geeks start arguing about power sets & junk. Whatever. Nobody cares.

 

The problem is though, this isn't a situation where only geeks will be arguing about it. Fox & Disney obviously have some animosity. The minute Marvel tries to use a Skrull doing anything more than shapeshifting (and as we've established, that doesn't really make them terribly formidable), or maybe even less than that, Fox will sue. And it will go to court. Release dates and hundreds of millions in movie investment, potentially a billion in revenue, and everything else ends up in limbo & at the whim of a judge who doesn't necessarily understand or give a about the differences between a Skrull or a Super Skrull, much less what a Skrull even is. And that judge is going to be the one deciding the fate of a billion dollar movie.

 

That's why Marvel backed off of using Skrulls. Not because they don't have the rights, but because it was easier to use a different, yet similar race in place of the Skrulls, and call it a day. That's why they also likely won't use the Skrulls anytime soon. Not because they don't own the rights, but because of the murkiness between where the line is between Skrull and Super Skrull & fighting the inevitable lawsuit from Fox not being worth the time/money/effort.

 

TL;DR version - Marvel has 1/2 of the rights to Skrulls but because Fox has the rights to Super Skrull, it's not worth the inevitable lawsuit from Fox for Marvel to actually use the Skrulls.

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Good point about the Skrulls.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel tried to work this out when its negotiation team was working with Fox to acquire Silver Surfer and Galactus and Fox wanted to keep Daredevil for its next movie. Oddly enough, the Fox movie was going to have a dark environment like the Netflix show which was going to be directed by Joe Carnahan. But Disney didn't like how dark a production he was planning.

 

:eyeroll:

 

So now you have the Silver Surfer, Galactus and the Skrulls potentially being held back to spite Marvel/Disney.

 

 

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Thing with the DD movie was that Joe Carnahan was going to have it set in the 70's (since obviously today's Hell's Kitchen isn't the same as it was in the pre-Rudy days) and totally disconnected from the way DD in the comics is portrayed. Marvel wasn't really happy with the idea of their contemporary superhero used in a period piece. But they also kinda wanted him & his villains back as well (especially since many of them cross over with Spider-Man & because Marvel generally lacks a lot of street-level villains that aren't total Z-listers.

 

and I think Fox only offered 1 of Surfer or Galactus but not both. Marvel wanted both or DD. So... well... we got a kick- DD out of the deal.

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Good point about the Skrulls.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel tried to work this out when its negotiation team was working with Fox to acquire Silver Surfer and Galactus and Fox wanted to keep Daredevil for its next movie. Oddly enough, the Fox movie was going to have a dark environment like the Netflix show which was going to be directed by Joe Carnahan. But Disney didn't like how dark a production he was planning.

 

:eyeroll:

 

So now you have the Silver Surfer, Galactus and the Skrulls potentially being held back to spite Marvel/Disney.

 

I wonder what it would take to bring Silver Surfer, Galactus and FF back into the Marvel fold?

 

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Good point about the Skrulls.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel tried to work this out when its negotiation team was working with Fox to acquire Silver Surfer and Galactus and Fox wanted to keep Daredevil for its next movie. Oddly enough, the Fox movie was going to have a dark environment like the Netflix show which was going to be directed by Joe Carnahan. But Disney didn't like how dark a production he was planning.

 

:eyeroll:

 

So now you have the Silver Surfer, Galactus and the Skrulls potentially being held back to spite Marvel/Disney.

 

I wonder what it would take to bring Silver Surfer, Galactus and FF back into the Marvel fold?

 

Depends how well the new FF movie does probably.

 

Both sides don't have a huge incentive to deal.

 

FF hasn't been a flagship comic for a long time, with its periphery characters being almost more sought after as movie properties (Dr Doom, Silver Surfer, Galactus) than the principals. Marvel has more than enough interesting characters to work with within its own stable for years to come, while FOx can be content making decent (if not epic) money every few years with a FF property.

 

Marvel has shown that it can make viable media out of most properties when it wants too, and there are still plenty of movies to be made, even if they're not epic huge weaved integrated stories.

 

They could easily do one-offs or series (movies or tv shows) of Iron Fist, Moon Knight, new Ms Marvel, Howard the Duck, Black Widow (do a limited series for a different Black Widow), Nova, Darkhawk, and/or spinoffs from properties already in the movies (Rocket Origin, Hawkeye, Starlord). Doing this stuff AFTER Marvel Phase 3 would put them into 2030 before they would even sniff the need for FF.

 

 

 

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Good point about the Skrulls.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel tried to work this out when its negotiation team was working with Fox to acquire Silver Surfer and Galactus and Fox wanted to keep Daredevil for its next movie. Oddly enough, the Fox movie was going to have a dark environment like the Netflix show which was going to be directed by Joe Carnahan. But Disney didn't like how dark a production he was planning.

 

:eyeroll:

 

So now you have the Silver Surfer, Galactus and the Skrulls potentially being held back to spite Marvel/Disney.

 

I wonder what it would take to bring Silver Surfer, Galactus and FF back into the Marvel fold?

 

Depends how well the new FF movie does probably.

 

Both sides don't have a huge incentive to deal.

 

FF hasn't been a flagship comic for a long time, with its periphery characters being almost more sought after as movie properties (Dr Doom, Silver Surfer, Galactus) than the principals. Marvel has more than enough interesting characters to work with within its own stable for years to come, while FOx can be content making decent (if not epic) money every few years with a FF property.

 

Marvel has shown that it can make viable media out of most properties when it wants too, and there are still plenty of movies to be made, even if they're not epic huge weaved integrated stories.

 

They could easily do one-offs or series (movies or tv shows) of Iron Fist, Moon Knight, new Ms Marvel, Howard the Duck, Black Widow (do a limited series for a different Black Widow), Nova, Darkhawk, and/or spinoffs from properties already in the movies (Rocket Origin, Hawkeye, Starlord). Doing this stuff AFTER Marvel Phase 3 would put them into 2030 before they would even sniff the need for FF.

 

Marvel's portfolio of characters is so deep, you are definitely right.

 

But since Feige is trying to roll out some of the bigger stories involving characters having all or a portion of their rights owned by another company (Spider-Man, Hulk), it can be a slight hiccup to replace them with someone else. Especially if the character is strongly associated with a given story.

 

I'm glad Disney/Marvel was able to work out Hulk. He helps make The Avengers a fun ride. I'm glad they figured out Spider-Man to a certain extent. But there are so many X-Franchise characters it would be nice if they could blend in with some of these stories (Wolverine, Cable, Gambit, Magneto, Apocalypse, Mister Sinister, Omega Red).

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Good point about the Skrulls.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel tried to work this out when its negotiation team was working with Fox to acquire Silver Surfer and Galactus and Fox wanted to keep Daredevil for its next movie. Oddly enough, the Fox movie was going to have a dark environment like the Netflix show which was going to be directed by Joe Carnahan. But Disney didn't like how dark a production he was planning.

 

:eyeroll:

 

So now you have the Silver Surfer, Galactus and the Skrulls potentially being held back to spite Marvel/Disney.

 

I wonder what it would take to bring Silver Surfer, Galactus and FF back into the Marvel fold?

 

Depends how well the new FF movie does probably.

 

Both sides don't have a huge incentive to deal.

 

FF hasn't been a flagship comic for a long time, with its periphery characters being almost more sought after as movie properties (Dr Doom, Silver Surfer, Galactus) than the principals. Marvel has more than enough interesting characters to work with within its own stable for years to come, while FOx can be content making decent (if not epic) money every few years with a FF property.

 

Marvel has shown that it can make viable media out of most properties when it wants too, and there are still plenty of movies to be made, even if they're not epic huge weaved integrated stories.

 

They could easily do one-offs or series (movies or tv shows) of Iron Fist, Moon Knight, new Ms Marvel, Howard the Duck, Black Widow (do a limited series for a different Black Widow), Nova, Darkhawk, and/or spinoffs from properties already in the movies (Rocket Origin, Hawkeye, Starlord). Doing this stuff AFTER Marvel Phase 3 would put them into 2030 before they would even sniff the need for FF.

 

Marvel's portfolio of characters is so deep, you are definitely right.

 

But since Feige is trying to roll out some of the bigger stories involving characters having all or a portion of their rights owned by another company (Spider-Man, Hulk), it can be a slight hiccup to replace them with someone else. Especially if the character is strongly associated with a given story.

 

I'm glad Disney/Marvel was able to work out Hulk. He helps make The Avengers a fun ride. I'm glad they figured out Spider-Man to a certain extent. But there are so many X-Franchise characters it would be nice if they could blend in with some of these stories (Wolverine, Cable, Gambit, Magneto, Apocalypse, Mister Sinister, Omega Red).

 

I def agree with you that if Marvel were really interested in getting properties back, they'd push harder for x mens than fantastic four. I'm sure they'd like to have FF back, but there's literally 200 different Marvel movies (or tv shows) I'd rather see first before we get to Fantastic Four. Maybe 150 if we don't count x men characters.

 

So they're not trippin about it, and neither is the public (I think), for the most part.

 

 

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Fox is going to make a mint with Deadpool so Marvel/Disney may have to get on their knees a bit and offer a better shared rights deal than what Sony got for Spider-Man. Otherwise, I see little chance of any X-characters appearing in any Marvel/Disney film. Ever.

Having said that, Daredevil blew away my expectations, and Deadpool being rated R will exceed them as well. Makes up for how much Preacher is going to flat out suck

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Fox is going to make a mint with Deadpool so Marvel/Disney may have to get on their knees a bit and offer a better shared rights deal than what Sony got for Spider-Man. Otherwise, I see little chance of any X-characters appearing in any Marvel/Disney film. Ever.

Having said that, Daredevil blew away my expectations, and Deadpool being rated R will exceed them as well. Makes up for how much Preacher is going to flat out suck

 

I know this sounds crazy, but Deadpool is too niche'. The vast majority of people outside of comics have never even heard of him..

 

I suspect it'll be lucky to do GoG levels of success.

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Fox is going to make a mint with Deadpool so Marvel/Disney may have to get on their knees a bit and offer a better shared rights deal than what Sony got for Spider-Man. Otherwise, I see little chance of any X-characters appearing in any Marvel/Disney film. Ever.

Having said that, Daredevil blew away my expectations, and Deadpool being rated R will exceed them as well. Makes up for how much Preacher is going to flat out suck

 

I know this sounds crazy, but Deadpool is too niche'. The vast majority of people outside of comics have never even heard of him..

 

I suspect it'll be lucky to do GoG levels of success.

 

GotG was the highest grossing domestic movie of 2014. Fox fall over themselves to make a sequel within 2 years if it does GotG money.

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