FineCollector Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm down to one trimmed book in my collection these days...my ASM 1 with top and right edge trimmed (9.0). But the overall rest of the book is so nice and the color strike so awesome, I'm fine with it. And it's the only sensible way for me to own a 9.0 copy in my set that I am willing to afford. Therein lies the problem, it's not a 9.0, never will be. I mean you no offense, and I'm glad you're happy, but this dealer is appealing to a very real and present need by collectors to pay as little as possible for a big number on the label. The fact that this seller deserves eternal punishment by having his extremities trimmed with a paper cutter is complicated by the fact that we as a whole are enabling him to profit from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmoore54 Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 I'm down to one trimmed book in my collection these days...my ASM 1 with top and right edge trimmed (9.0). But the overall rest of the book is so nice and the color strike so awesome, I'm fine with it. And it's the only sensible way for me to own a 9.0 copy in my set that I am willing to afford. Therein lies the problem, it's not a 9.0, never will be. I mean you no offense, and I'm glad you're happy, but this dealer is appealing to a very real and present need by collectors to pay as little as possible for a big number on the label. The fact that this seller deserves eternal punishment by having his extremities trimmed with a paper cutter is complicated by the fact that we as a whole are enabling him to profit from this. Well...this thread is intended to keep at least anyone who reads it from not being a part of the "we as a whole..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaylam Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 As far as I'm concerned, trimming is mutilation. I will never willingly own a trimmed book and any grade assigned to a trimmed book is a false grade. I mean, how can removing any part of a book by this method not detract from its grade and by the same token, it's absolutely insane for trimming to improve a book's grade? I thought the purpose of grading was to establish how much a book's condition has changed versus how it was originally manufactured and sold! If a book has been trimmed, then that original state has been significantly changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoomMember Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 looks like "we [h]as a whole..." 'nother trimmed book.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spider-Man-9-Vol-1-PGX-9-4-Like-CGC-Incredible-High-Grade-1st-Electro-/281585531206?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418fce3946 AVOID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slym2none Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The line in the title "like CGC" is enough to keep me away, much less that it's a PGX book. I hate keyword spammers. -slym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveinthecity Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The line in the title "like CGC" is enough to keep me away, much less that it's a PGX book. I hate keyword spammers. -slym ...and the description reads "fresh back from CBCS". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FineCollector Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 looks like "we [h]as a whole..." 'nother trimmed book.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spider-Man-9-Vol-1-PGX-9-4-Like-CGC-Incredible-High-Grade-1st-Electro-/281585531206?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418fce3946 AVOID Just to address the "we as a whole" thing, I don't buy trimmed books and don't at all encourage what this guy's doing, but I'm trying to be polite and not make anyone feel like I'm pointing fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slym2none Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The line in the title "like CGC" is enough to keep me away, much less that it's a PGX book. I hate keyword spammers. ...and the description reads "fresh back from CBCS". :: (thumbs u -slym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moondog Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 As far as I'm concerned, trimming is mutilation. I will never willingly own a trimmed book and any grade assigned to a trimmed book is a false grade. I mean, how can removing any part of a book by this method not detract from its grade and by the same token, it's absolutely insane for trimming to improve a book's grade? I thought the purpose of grading was to establish how much a book's condition has changed versus how it was originally manufactured and sold! If a book has been trimmed, then that original state has been significantly changed. Amen. (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaylam Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Thanks Moondog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blob Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I'm down to one trimmed book in my collection these days...my ASM 1 with top and right edge trimmed (9.0). But the overall rest of the book is so nice and the color strike so awesome, I'm fine with it. And it's the only sensible way for me to own a 9.0 copy in my set that I am willing to afford. Therein lies the problem, it's not a 9.0, never will be. I mean you no offense, and I'm glad you're happy, but this dealer is appealing to a very real and present need by collectors to pay as little as possible for a big number on the label. The fact that this seller deserves eternal punishment by having his extremities trimmed with a paper cutter is complicated by the fact that we as a whole are enabling him to profit from this. i really have to wonder how bad the edges were if the book looks like a 9.0 after a trim. it seems some of these trim jobs might be taking perfectly nice 7.5s and hacking at them. terrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Not Trimmed? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-1-1st-Print-1984-Unrestored-High-Grade-Original-/201279209791 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoomMember Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Seriously...these guys put forth so many trim jobs I have to imagine they have their own trim-lab. Of course, they've been at it for years... Wonder what the grade was pre-trimming... http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Men-1-Vol-1-Original-1963-CBCS-9-4-Like-CGC-Signed-Stan-Lee-Super-High-Grade-/251817419976?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa17ce4c8'>http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Men-1-Vol-1-Original-1963-CBCS-9-4-Like-CGC-Signed-Stan-Lee-Super-High-Grade-/251817419976?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa17ce4c8 the trimming and the damage done [to paraphrase one neil young] http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Men-1-Vol-1-Original-1963-CBCS-9-4-Like-CGC-Signed-Stan-Lee-Super-High-Grade-/251817419976 at least it wasn't over 5K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjpb Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I just noticed these guys have sold 6 different AF#15s in the last 90 days on ebay, all raw with resto and trimming. They've all sold for less than what an unrestored 3.0 would, so I imagine they all had work done already, as the quality of color touch appears to vary widely, but they all look to have the edges shaved in the same fashion to give them a "sharp" appearance, and probably additional color touch and seals as well, so that creasing is not that immediately evident after a press ( at least in a photo) . That's half of all restored copies for under 10K sold on ebay - and at least one of the other half of the books was one they purchased to doctor further, going from an untrimmed but heavily and poorly restored CGC 1.5 with married pages, to a three side trimmed and further color touched "mid grade". It does look like after ebay and paypal fees they will only net about $150 -$250 in profit. At the rate they are going there won't be too many low grade restored copies without trimming available for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Squarebounds are next? http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8431665&Main=8431665#Post8431665 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zevgoli Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 This whole thread is a big yawner. Look at the feedback this guy gets and the very satisfied customers. Frankly this is all that matters. Who cares if the books are trimmed or has some colour touch. I can understand your personal preference to not buy them but to go off and say this is defiling a book is ludicrous. It's a comic for goodness sake not the Bible etc. You can keep it pristine, cut out panels for a scrapbook hang the centre page up on the wall even trim the edges. It's all good. It's your book. And if people are willing to pay big bucks knowing the perceived faults who are we really to judge. Even if those faults are done to improve appearance. There is no deception here as far as I can see. Too many folks on this forum like getting on way too high a horse for their own good. Just relax. Cheers, Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faster friends Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 This whole thread is a big yawner. Look at the feedback this guy gets and the very satisfied customers. Frankly this is all that matters. Who cares if the books are trimmed or has some colour touch. I can understand your personal preference to not buy them but to go off and say this is defiling a book is ludicrous. It's a comic for goodness sake not the Bible etc. You can keep it pristine, cut out panels for a scrapbook hang the centre page up on the wall even trim the edges. It's all good. It's your book. And if people are willing to pay big bucks knowing the perceived faults who are we really to judge. Even if those faults are done to improve appearance. There is no deception here as far as I can see. Too many folks on this forum like getting on way too high a horse for their own good. Just relax. Cheers, Howard Howard, these guys buy knowingly restored books, crack them out and then fraudulently list them as unrestored. And the wall of evidence is huge. Take if from a fellow Canuck, they ain't innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmoore54 Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 This whole thread is a big yawner. Look at the feedback this guy gets and the very satisfied customers. Frankly this is all that matters. Who cares if the books are trimmed or has some colour touch. I can understand your personal preference to not buy them but to go off and say this is defiling a book is ludicrous. It's a comic for goodness sake not the Bible etc. You can keep it pristine, cut out panels for a scrapbook hang the centre page up on the wall even trim the edges. It's all good. It's your book. And if people are willing to pay big bucks knowing the perceived faults who are we really to judge. Even if those faults are done to improve appearance. There is no deception here as far as I can see. Too many folks on this forum like getting on way too high a horse for their own good. Just relax. Cheers, Howard Didn't know Narbeh had shills located north of the border...wow, they're network is broadening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Who cares if the books are trimmed or has some colour touch. me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
