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[fantastic_four]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

[fantastic_four]

I want to see a clear picture of Vader's new style medical chamber. Has it been said who the actor was playing him there?

[rjrjr]

I'm glad they figured out how to CGI Tarkin and Leia, because if they continue making movies like this, they'll be needing to CGI an audience for them.

 

$155 Million Domestic....$290 Million Worldwide....not bad for a movie where the most prominent actor was doing voice-overs.

Still behind the pace of Captain America: Civil War ($179.1m) and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice ($166.1m) domestically.

I wonder if this has box office legs when the word gets out how good this is?

 

Considering kids don't get out of school (at least locally) until Friday, I think this movie will do pretty well it's second and third weekend. My prediction, it will outperform both those movies.

[blazeops]

I had very high expectations heading into the film, and was pleasantly surprised that most of them were met. Very grim film, which was a little surprising since the reshoots were supposed to lighten it a little, can't imagine what the original cut was like.

 

It delivered the one thing I've been wanting in a Star Wars movie since before the Prequels....a SW movie made for an adult audience.

 

As for criticisms of the characters being under developed, desperate times make desperate people....I didn't need to see the charred husks of their aunt and uncle to know why each character joined the rebellion or why they were fighting the Empire...that's already well established. The movie itself seemed to follow a chronology that spanned a few days to a week at most...not a lot of "real" time for all the characters to be fleshed out and get to know one another even if there was more screen time to devote to it. Should also mention that Saw Gerrera (Forrest Whitaker's character) is going to be featured in the 2nd half of Star Wars Rebels Season 3 (which takes place roughly five years before a New Hope), and its not inconceivable that Chirrut Imwe and Baze Malbus, or even Bodhi Rook (the imperial pilot who was from Jedha) might also appear. Anyone who watched the Clone Wars will attest to the fact that Anakin Skywalker's character was fleshed out SO much better than in the prequels....a luxury to be sure when you have 5-6 seasons of episodes to work with. In fact, if you are a SW fan, and you haven't watched the Clone Wars or Rebels, you are selling yourself short...all the events are canon, and they do wonders for the development of major characters, not the least of which is Darth Maul, who did not die after being unceremoniously cut in half by Obiwan in the Phantom Menace, but in fact has led a pretty full and active life in the SW universe.

 

Anyway, the attention to detail was fantastic...lots of connective tissue to a New Hope, from the instrument panels to the vehicles. The fact the the Death Star plans were stored on "tape" back-up was hilarious (and not in a bad way)...the whole movie felt very "analog" and I think it captured the spirt of the original trilogy better than any movie since ROTJ. I found nothing to be distracting or off-putting, even Tarkin's CGI was pretty good....it all worked as intended. The final Act was also memorable, and I'd go back to see it just for that.

 

As for where it ranks among the other SW movies....somewhere after the the original trilogy (because I'm old and they hold a special place in my heart), but ahead of the Prequels and slightly ahead of the Force Awakens. Love the nod to the Rebel series in the one pre-space battle shot.

 

 

Well said. I loved the movie. I thought it was well done and tied into A New Hope perfectly. As a kid, I loved X-wings and always carried around my X-Wing Luke (which btw looked nothing like Luke). The space battle over Scarif was epic. Seeing everyone mobilize before hand and watching them hyperspace in was amazing. I felt like a kid again.

 

I agree with Jive. Clone Wars and Rebels are awesome and add to the mythos. Anakin is a much better character...a leader, reckless but decisive. He isn't as angry or "whiny" as in the prequels. You also get introduced to his padawan Ahsoka. Clone Wars is a bit "darker" than Rebels if you are planning to introduce your kids to Star Wars. My 4 year old just started watching Rebels. There are deaths but they are not as blatant as in Clone Wars. Rebels is more geared toward kids but is fun nonetheless. My wife (a Trekkie) started watching it as well and is enjoying it.

 

There are some Rebel easter eggs in Rogue One for example the mention of Syndulla and seeing the Ghost at the Battle of Scarif. I can't wait for it to come out on Blu-Ray.

[Guardian Comics]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

 

I just don't get it, and another issue I have with the movie.

 

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

Jim

[fantastic_four]

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

It's the opposite--he should have moved like this in Episode IV, it's just a shame they couldn't do more at the time and I'm glad they did it now.

[Martin Sinescu]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

 

I just don't get it, and another issue I have with the movie.

 

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

Jim

Honestly, I hated the Yoda vs. Dooku battle because of the over-indulgent use of CGI, but, as someone who saw the original Star Wars as a 3-year-old and has been immersed in Star Wars ever since, I don't understand this criticism toward the Vader scene at all -- why in the world would they handcuff him by sticking to that awkward, clunky, limited fighting style? Just to stay in continuity?! The Vader in R1 was so much more fluid and mowed through the troopers with superhuman power and dexterity (the way he should)! With as complex and sophisticated as fight choreography has gotten since 1977 (as we saw with Ray Park -- one of the genuine bright spots of the prequels), why would they try to portray one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy in such a stilted, unconvincing style?

 

This scene genuinely *floored* me in a way that most Star Wars movies have so disappointingly failed to do since ROTJ. I can't even comment on most of the rest of R1 because I can't get past how visceral the impression of actually seeing Vader unleashed was: Vader as an relentless, unfeeling, brutal instrument of terror. For me, this was the saga finally living up to its potential and, for once, this jaded fan actually left the theater feeling "satisfied". There have been so many blown opportunities with villains like Maul and Fett (or even the off-camera Anakin/Vader carnage in E2 and E3) where I just felt there was so much unrealized potential. I'm really not the biggest Vader fan nor am I even much of a CGI fan, but this was pure SW porn to me and I was absolutely giddy as the scene unfolded: His blitzing attack, the horror and panic from the rebel soldiers, the desperation to get rid of the plans, it was just masterful.

 

I'm truly sorry that you couldn't enjoy it, because, again, as a fan of the saga for nearly 40 years now, this was one of its highest points.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Martin Sinescu

[joeypost]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

 

I just don't get it, and another issue I have with the movie.

 

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

Jim

Honestly, I hated the Yoda vs. Dooku battle because of the over-indulgent use of CGI, but, as someone who saw the original Star Wars as a 3-year-old and has been immersed in Star Wars ever since, I don't understand this criticism toward the Vader scene at all -- why in the world would they handcuff him by sticking to that awkward, clunky, limited fighting style? Just to stay in continuity?! The Vader in R1 was so much more fluid and mowed through the troopers with superhuman power and dexterity (the way he should)! With as complex and sophisticated as fight choreography has gotten since 1977 (as we saw with Ray Park -- one of the genuine bright spots of the prequels), why would they try to portray one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy in such a stilted, unconvincing style?

 

This scene genuinely *floored* me in a way that most Star Wars movies have so disappointingly failed to do since ROTJ. I can't even comment on most of the rest of R1 because I can't get past how visceral the impression of actually seeing Vader unleashed was: Vader as an relentless, unfeeling, brutal instrument of terror. For me, this was the saga finally living up to its potential and, for once, this jaded fan actually left the theater feeling "satisfied". There have been so many blown opportunities with villains like Maul and Fett (or even the off-camera Anakin/Vader carnage in E2 and E3) where I just felt there was so much unrealized potential. I'm really not the biggest Vader fan nor am I even much of a CGI fan, but this was pure SW porn to me and I was absolutely giddy as the scene unfolded: His blitzing attack, the horror and panic from the rebel soldiers, the desperation to get rid of the plans, it was just masterful.

 

I'm truly sorry that you couldn't enjoy it, because, again, as a fan of the saga for nearly 40 years now, this was one of its highest points.

 

While I can see both points of view, all my family talked about was the ferocity of Vader's attack in R1. In all honesty, I wanted to see it last another few minutes as it was what I always expected of Vader.

[Guardian Comics]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

 

I just don't get it, and another issue I have with the movie.

 

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

Jim

Honestly, I hated the Yoda vs. Dooku battle because of the over-indulgent use of CGI, but, as someone who saw the original Star Wars as a 3-year-old and has been immersed in Star Wars ever since, I don't understand this criticism toward the Vader scene at all -- why in the world would they handcuff him by sticking to that awkward, clunky, limited fighting style? Just to stay in continuity?! The Vader in R1 was so much more fluid and mowed through the troopers with superhuman power and dexterity (the way he should)! With as complex and sophisticated as fight choreography has gotten since 1977 (as we saw with Ray Park -- one of the genuine bright spots of the prequels), why would they try to portray one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy in such a stilted, unconvincing style?

 

This scene genuinely *floored* me in a way that most Star Wars movies have so disappointingly failed to do since ROTJ. I can't even comment on most of the rest of R1 because I can't get past how visceral the impression of actually seeing Vader unleashed was: Vader as an relentless, unfeeling, brutal instrument of terror. For me, this was the saga finally living up to its potential and, for once, this jaded fan actually left the theater feeling "satisfied". There have been so many blown opportunities with villains like Maul and Fett (or even the off-camera Anakin/Vader carnage in E2 and E3) where I just felt there was so much unrealized potential. I'm really not the biggest Vader fan nor am I even much of a CGI fan, but this was pure SW porn to me and I was absolutely giddy as the scene unfolded: His blitzing attack, the horror and panic from the rebel soldiers, the desperation to get rid of the plans, it was just masterful.

 

I'm truly sorry that you couldn't enjoy it, because, again, as a fan of the saga for nearly 40 years now, this was one of its highest points.

 

I respect your opinion and point of view. I just see it as rewriting history. If Vader was capable of all that carnage, then why bother sending in the Stormtroopers at all on the Blockade Runner in A New Hope....Vader could have intercepted the plans much quicker himself and the entire movie could have been over in five minutes.

 

I'm not interested in seeing what should have been, I want to see what was.

 

Jim

 

[Lobstrosity]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

 

I just don't get it, and another issue I have with the movie.

 

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

Jim

Honestly, I hated the Yoda vs. Dooku battle because of the over-indulgent use of CGI, but, as someone who saw the original Star Wars as a 3-year-old and has been immersed in Star Wars ever since, I don't understand this criticism toward the Vader scene at all -- why in the world would they handcuff him by sticking to that awkward, clunky, limited fighting style? Just to stay in continuity?! The Vader in R1 was so much more fluid and mowed through the troopers with superhuman power and dexterity (the way he should)! With as complex and sophisticated as fight choreography has gotten since 1977 (as we saw with Ray Park -- one of the genuine bright spots of the prequels), why would they try to portray one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy in such a stilted, unconvincing style?

 

This scene genuinely *floored* me in a way that most Star Wars movies have so disappointingly failed to do since ROTJ. I can't even comment on most of the rest of R1 because I can't get past how visceral the impression of actually seeing Vader unleashed was: Vader as an relentless, unfeeling, brutal instrument of terror. For me, this was the saga finally living up to its potential and, for once, this jaded fan actually left the theater feeling "satisfied". There have been so many blown opportunities with villains like Maul and Fett (or even the off-camera Anakin/Vader carnage in E2 and E3) where I just felt there was so much unrealized potential. I'm really not the biggest Vader fan nor am I even much of a CGI fan, but this was pure SW porn to me and I was absolutely giddy as the scene unfolded: His blitzing attack, the horror and panic from the rebel soldiers, the desperation to get rid of the plans, it was just masterful.

 

I'm truly sorry that you couldn't enjoy it, because, again, as a fan of the saga for nearly 40 years now, this was one of its highest points.

 

While I can see both points of view, all my family talked about was the ferocity of Vader's attack in R1. In all honesty, I wanted to see it last another few minutes as it was what I always expected of Vader.

 

The way I see it, when Vader was fighting Obi-Wan, he was toying with him. He never believed for a second that Obi-Wan would win, and so he entertained the conversation that they were having, and he allowed himself the chance to savor the moment.

 

(Similarly, I think Kylo's fight with Rey was full of overconfidence. Watching his action, he never invested himself into the fight because he never thought he could lose - he was toying with her).

 

But Vader's scene in R1 was entirely different. He didn't respect those people, he didn't have a history with them, they were insects to him. There was no playing around or discussion - only a job to be done.

Edited December 20, 2016 by lobstrosity

[bane]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

 

I just don't get it, and another issue I have with the movie.

 

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

Jim

Honestly, I hated the Yoda vs. Dooku battle because of the over-indulgent use of CGI, but, as someone who saw the original Star Wars as a 3-year-old and has been immersed in Star Wars ever since, I don't understand this criticism toward the Vader scene at all -- why in the world would they handcuff him by sticking to that awkward, clunky, limited fighting style? Just to stay in continuity?! The Vader in R1 was so much more fluid and mowed through the troopers with superhuman power and dexterity (the way he should)! With as complex and sophisticated as fight choreography has gotten since 1977 (as we saw with Ray Park -- one of the genuine bright spots of the prequels), why would they try to portray one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy in such a stilted, unconvincing style?

 

This scene genuinely *floored* me in a way that most Star Wars movies have so disappointingly failed to do since ROTJ. I can't even comment on most of the rest of R1 because I can't get past how visceral the impression of actually seeing Vader unleashed was: Vader as an relentless, unfeeling, brutal instrument of terror. For me, this was the saga finally living up to its potential and, for once, this jaded fan actually left the theater feeling "satisfied". There have been so many blown opportunities with villains like Maul and Fett (or even the off-camera Anakin/Vader carnage in E2 and E3) where I just felt there was so much unrealized potential. I'm really not the biggest Vader fan nor am I even much of a CGI fan, but this was pure SW porn to me and I was absolutely giddy as the scene unfolded: His blitzing attack, the horror and panic from the rebel soldiers, the desperation to get rid of the plans, it was just masterful.

 

I'm truly sorry that you couldn't enjoy it, because, again, as a fan of the saga for nearly 40 years now, this was one of its highest points.

 

I respect your opinion and point of view. I just see it as rewriting history. If Vader was capable of all that carnage, then why bother sending in the Stormtroopers at all on the Blockade Runner in A New Hope....Vader could have intercepted the plans much quicker himself and the entire movie could have been over in five minutes.

 

I'm not interested in seeing what should have been, I want to see what was.

 

Jim

 

This explains why you like Force Awakens, basically you just want to see the same thing over again.

 

The fight in ANH always bugged me as it was slow and boring, just compare it to ESB which was more physical, faster and still looks awesome to this day.

[fantastic_four]

Even when I was a 9-year old I wasn't impressed with Vader. What doesn't fit is that guy from Episode IV being one of the most infamously bad- guys in the galaxy, but this Vader fits with the originals in actually earning that reputation for the first time since we saw Anakin in action in the prequels. The old Vader's stiffness and simple lightsaber technique is particularly striking when compared against Darth Maul or any random Jedi from the arena fight scene in attack of the clones or even the similarly-stiff Dooku who at least used his force telekinesis during combat, something Vader rarely and rather lamely did during the originals. Yes, I wanted that scene to continue for TEN minutes, and I hope we get more content between episodes III and IV to have that happen, which is eminently possible given that several decades passed between those films. I had heard he had more than a cameo but nothing else specific, so I was wondering if it would be him who would show up and go after Jyn and Cassian...that certainly would've been more dynamic than the management dude Krennic weakly going after them.

[fantastic_four]

So where'd the most memorable line from the first trailer go where Jyn is talking to Mon Mothma about her troubled past and says "This is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel."

[fantastic_four]

I knew I had seen Krennic before, but I just now realized he was in Dark Knight Rises as the rich guy who Bane kills by doing something horrible to his head we're not shown.

 

[Turtle]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

 

I just don't get it, and another issue I have with the movie.

 

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

Jim

Honestly, I hated the Yoda vs. Dooku battle because of the over-indulgent use of CGI, but, as someone who saw the original Star Wars as a 3-year-old and has been immersed in Star Wars ever since, I don't understand this criticism toward the Vader scene at all -- why in the world would they handcuff him by sticking to that awkward, clunky, limited fighting style? Just to stay in continuity?! The Vader in R1 was so much more fluid and mowed through the troopers with superhuman power and dexterity (the way he should)! With as complex and sophisticated as fight choreography has gotten since 1977 (as we saw with Ray Park -- one of the genuine bright spots of the prequels), why would they try to portray one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy in such a stilted, unconvincing style?

 

This scene genuinely *floored* me in a way that most Star Wars movies have so disappointingly failed to do since ROTJ. I can't even comment on most of the rest of R1 because I can't get past how visceral the impression of actually seeing Vader unleashed was: Vader as an relentless, unfeeling, brutal instrument of terror. For me, this was the saga finally living up to its potential and, for once, this jaded fan actually left the theater feeling "satisfied". There have been so many blown opportunities with villains like Maul and Fett (or even the off-camera Anakin/Vader carnage in E2 and E3) where I just felt there was so much unrealized potential. I'm really not the biggest Vader fan nor am I even much of a CGI fan, but this was pure SW porn to me and I was absolutely giddy as the scene unfolded: His blitzing attack, the horror and panic from the rebel soldiers, the desperation to get rid of the plans, it was just masterful.

 

I'm truly sorry that you couldn't enjoy it, because, again, as a fan of the saga for nearly 40 years now, this was one of its highest points.

 

While I can see both points of view, all my family talked about was the ferocity of Vader's attack in R1. In all honesty, I wanted to see it last another few minutes as it was what I always expected of Vader.

 

The way I see it, when Vader was fighting Obi-Wan, he was toying with him. He never believed for a second that Obi-Wan would win, and so he entertained the conversation that they were having, and he allowed himself the chance to savor the moment.

 

 

That's the way I rationalize it in my head as an in-universe explanation. Vader certainly didn't move like the #1 Jedi killer in all of galactic history in Episode IV. So yes...savoring the moment is the reason in my head why the fight is so slow/dull.

 

The real-world explanation is that lightsaber duels had not yet been developed into what they are today. You can tell they were fleshed out better in episodes V and VI and you saw much more detail/variation in the prequels. Vader being stiff and slow would basically fly in the face of every lightsaber duel we've seen since Episode IV. Better to modify/rationalize a single point in canon history than dozens.

 

I'm sure George Lucas toyed with the idea of revamping that duel but even he knew the backlash from such tampering would be crossing a line. What I've always wanted to see is that duel updated using Clone Wars series animation to show the two really going at it. I know Obi-Wan was old at the time of the duel, but he was one of the most capable duelists out there during a galactic war where he gained years worth of experience facing some really tough opponents. It would be nice to see him draw on some of that...even if he eventually realizes that he's completely outclassed by Vader at this point and decides to sacrifice himself.

 

And while you're at it, let's see a Clone Wars version of the Kenobi/Jinn/Maul duel from Episode I.

[fantastic_four]

And while you're at it, let's see a Clone Wars version of the Kenobi/Jinn/Maul duel from Episode I.

 

I'm still fine with the original sequence from Episode I. Ray Park is the best person to ever pick up a lightsaber, and Maul is the coolest Sith alien design in all of the movies. Odd that the very best villain and battle sequences--aside from Maul getting too-easily punked by Obi-Wan at the end--were in the very worst of all the movies.

[Turtle]

And while you're at it, let's see a Clone Wars version of the Kenobi/Jinn/Maul duel from Episode I.

 

I'm still fine with the original sequence from Episode I. Ray Park is the best person to ever pick up a lightsaber, and Maul is the coolest Sith alien design in all of the movies. Odd that the very best villain and battle sequences--aside from Maul getting too-easily punked by Obi-Wan at the end--were in the very worst of all the movies.

 

No doubt, it's a great sequence. I just really liked what they did with duels in the Clone Wars series. Dooku's duels looked a little rough in the movies, but true to his lore, the series portrayed him as one of the most skilled/graceful/precise duelists in the war. His duels were always a pleasure to watch.

 

Maybe you're right...the Maul fight in TPM leaves little to be desired. Remaking it may be cool, but probably wouldn't add anything we didn't already see in real life. Maul was ferocious and that really came across in the fight.

[fantastic_four]

And Liam Neeson may have been the best guy to yield a lightsaber other than Ray Park. Particularly loved how he meditated in the middle of those force fields separating the two of them during the battle. Their fight was spellbounding, and I have many times re-watched only that fight from the movie.

 

That's my only gripe about Force Awakens--the Kylo v Rey battle was interesting, but just not at all epic since Rey clearly only had any chance at all because Kylo was wounded. I generally enjoyed Force Awakens more, but that one Vader scene killed any action sequence from Force Awakens. Kylo Ren is a bad-, but so far he has no peer. I'm guessing his only match is Luke, so it'll be interesting to see what they do to jazz him up from what the 32-year old version of him did in Return of the Jedi.

[bane]

Kylo Ren was a bad until he took his mask off.

[fantastic_four]