Prince Namor Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Logan510 said: My bad, I was not aware she was an Academy Award winner. She probably does have the juice to influence decisions. I've liked her in what I've seen her in, never saw Room though Well, my favorite was her in Scott Pilgrim vs the World... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyTheAbyss Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I admit that I judge people on how they look. Jessica Chobot is hot!!! Early reactions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianh Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Chuck Gower said: It’s spelled ‘racism’. And it’s not racism to demand equality. Your definition is wrong. He spelled it right the second time but you are correct it is not racism but it sure is discrimination. Affirmative action IS discrimination disguised as seeking equality. When someone less qualified is given a job over someone because of race or gender that is by definition discrimination. When a black person gets into Harvard over an asian person (still a minority) with less college entrance scores that is discrimination acting like equality for diversity sake. That's wrong and so is what she is suggesting. I was not born 7 feet tall. Should I claim that the NBA should be equal and allow me to play as a 5'8" white guy who isn't as good because it is mainly blacks in the league? No. I for one will skip the film. It's already getting rave review from critics and I'm pretty sure it's the BP effect all over. An average imo movie at best given great reviews because of it's diversity. The fact that a lot of them poo poo on all other marvel movies while propping thee two movies up says it all to me. If she is going to play the political game two can play that and I'll sit home. Edited February 21, 2019 by ianh Beige, theCapraAegagrus and RockMyAmadeus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolverineX Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I'm skipping the movie too. Not sure about the hullabaloo about Captain Marvel ... Wonder Woman 2 on the other hand is going to be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastballspecial Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I cant wait to see it. Why the hell everyone has issues with a young woman telling the truth is hilarious. I will gladly take my daughter to see it if see wants to go. I did the same with Wonder woman. Comicopolis and ComicConnoisseur 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearmint Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ianh said: Affirmative action IS discrimination disguised as seeking equality. When someone less qualified is given a job over someone because of race or gender that is by definition discrimination. You're proceeding from the assumption that the white folks who were hired are more qualified than the Black/Asian/Hispanics who weren't. ComicConnoisseur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, nearmint said: You're proceeding from the assumption that the white folks who were hired are more qualified than the Black/Asian/Hispanics who weren't. Do we have any reason to think otherwise? This entire conversation is kinda meaningless. I just hope they don't push hard on the, "she's special because she's a she" aspect in the movie. Give me any and every other reason to care about Carol Danvers other than the fact that she's a female. I want to watch a compelling character. I thought Black Panther did well not to push the, "characters are special because they're black" angle too much. They went more for culture and equality as a whole, rather than just someone's skin color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearmint Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, nearmint said: You're proceeding from the assumption that the white folks who were hired are more qualified than the Black/Asian/Hispanics who weren't. 2 minutes ago, TwoPiece said: Do we have any reason to think otherwise? In a perfect world, no. But we don't live in a perfect world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Treating people differently...positively or negatively, for good or for ill...based on nothing other than their skin color is racism. It is what the word means, how it is defined. It doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter why. Actual equality is treating everyone based on the content of their character and their ability...not what they look like. This is disbelieved by many, many people in 2019, but treating others differently because of what they look like harms the entire society, little by little. It hurts those who lose out, and it hurts the beneficiaries. theCapraAegagrus and Beige 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaard Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I don't agree with your opinions so be gone with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, nearmint said: In a perfect world, no. But we don't live in a perfect world. We never will, either. I just don't see the point in arguing that there could be something better than what is. Y'know? Brie's POV is speculating based on an unknown commodity, while discriminating against the known commodity. I can't side with her on this one. Despite her poor judgment, or comments, I'm going to see Captain Marvel at least a couple of times. I just hope it's as good as every other movie not named The Incredible Hulk and GotG Vol 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearmint Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, TwoPiece said: We never will, either. I just don't see the point in arguing that there could be something better than what is. Y'know? I can't relate to that at all. Should slaves not have sought freedom? Should women not have sought the vote? Should the black community not have sought equal rights? There are many more examples throughout history. Should they just have accepted "what is", and not dreamed of what "could be"? ComicConnoisseur and Chaos_in_Canada 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, nearmint said: 2 hours ago, ianh said: Affirmative action IS discrimination disguised as seeking equality. When someone less qualified is given a job over someone because of race or gender that is by definition discrimination. You're proceeding from the assumption that the white folks who were hired are more qualified than the Black/Asian/Hispanics who weren't. That is not correct, and faulty argumentation. He's not starting with an assumption, he's starting with a definition. He didn't say "if" they were less qualified...he said "when." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, nearmint said: I can't relate to that at all. Should slaves not have sought freedom? Should women not have sought the vote? Should the black community not have sought equal rights? There are many more examples throughout history. Should they just have accepted "what is", and not dreamed of what "could be"? Whoa there, cowboy, you're really taking this straw-man to the extreme. I'll just see myself out from this ridiculousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: That is not correct, and faulty argumentation. He's not starting with an assumption, he's starting with a definition. He didn't say "if" they were less qualified...he said "when." And, by the way, specified no race in that statement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearmint Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ianh said: Affirmative action IS discrimination disguised as seeking equality. When someone less qualified is given a job over someone because of race or gender that is by definition discrimination. 27 minutes ago, nearmint said: You're proceeding from the assumption that the white folks who were hired are more qualified than the Black/Asian/Hispanics who weren't. 4 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: That is not correct, and faulty argumentation. He's not starting with an assumption, he's starting with a definition. He didn't say "if" they were less qualified...he said "when." He's staying home from the movie because he thinks Larson is playing political games, so this is clearly, in his mind, a "when" situation, not an "if". ComicConnoisseur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I was referring to the specific comment and response. I don't think Ianh's position is being correctly interpreted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearmint Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, RockMyAmadeus said: I was referring to the specific comment and response. I don't think Ianh's position is being correctly interpreted. I should have quoted his entire post to give the full context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, nearmint said: 4 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: I was referring to the specific comment and response. I don't think Ianh's position is being correctly interpreted. I should have quoted his entire post to give the full context. I don't think context is the issue. No matter; these things can't really be discussed here in much depth anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearmint Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: Treating people differently...positively or negatively, for good or for ill...based on nothing other than their skin color is racism. It is what the word means, how it is defined. It doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter why. Actual equality is treating everyone based on the content of their character and their ability...not what they look like. This is disbelieved by many, many people in 2019, but treating others differently because of what they look like harms the entire society, little by little. It hurts those who lose out, and it hurts the beneficiaries. But how do you define someone's ability when it comes to art? If I can make 100 widgets in a day, and someone else makes only 50, it can logically be said that I'm more qualified to make widgets. But what makes a white writer more qualified than a black writer to interview an actress at a press junket for a movie whose protagonist is a young black girl? ComicConnoisseur and Chaos_in_Canada 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
