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[miraclemet]

a return of all books and full refund (plus grading fees) or no refund at all

 

They were part of a package deal, no? They should be kept or returned as a package deal. Otherwise it seems like it's sort of cherry picking.

 

I just dont see how a book that has been irrevocably changed (by getting it signed) can just be returned for a full refund.

 

Getting a book signed has an impact on both the books value, and the market that is interested in it.

 

it's no longer the same book that was sold (not even considering the fact that it was likely damaged during some aspect of the SS process and lost significant grades.

 

I agree he DEFINITELY shouldnt be able to pick which books to keep and which to return, but I also think once he got the book signed he no longer had an avenue for returns.

[N/A]

a return of all books and full refund (plus grading fees) or no refund at all

 

They were part of a package deal, no? They should be kept or returned as a package deal. Otherwise it seems like it's sort of cherry picking.

 

I just dont see how a book that has been irrevocably changed (by getting it signed) can just be returned for a full refund.

 

Getting a book signed has an impact on both the books value, and the market that is interested in it.

 

it's no longer the same book that was sold (not even considering the fact that it was likely damaged during some aspect of the SS process and lost significant grades.

 

I agree he DEFINITELY shouldnt be able to pick which books to keep and which to return, but I also think once he got the book signed he no longer had an avenue for returns.

 

The seller offered a return which I think is the only reason most are making that an option. I agree with your logic but the seller very generously offered.

[jsilverjanet]

Thanks Highradarart for chiming in.

 

I think based on what I'm hearing, the moment that the book was signed and gone through that process, negated any possible option for a return?

 

So does that mean that no partial refund should be given?

 

I think based on the book going through that process, and out of your hands for that long, HR you don't owe me anything.

[Wall-Crawler]

What is the "statute of limitation" on restored books?

 

For example, say I buy a book from someone. Months later I decide to sub it, say economy tier and I get the book back like 6 months later and it comes back restored.

 

How "long" should the original seller be "responsible" for the book?

 

Just curious.

[miraclemet]

What is the "statute of limitation" on restored books?

 

For example, say I buy a book from someone. Months later I decide to sub it, say economy tier and I get the book back like 6 months later and it comes back restored.

 

How "long" should the original seller be "responsible" for the book?

 

Just curious.

 

the better you want your reputation to be, the longer you are willing to make amends with the buyer.

 

I dont think there is a set answer.

 

WC here's another one, how far back does restitution go? the most recent transaction? the last two? and so on....

[miraclemet]

Thanks Highradarart for chiming in.

 

I think based on what I'm hearing, the moment that the book was signed and gone through that process, negated any possible option for a return?

 

So does that mean that no partial refund should be given?

 

I think based on the book going through that process, and out of your hands for that long, HR you don't owe me anything.

 

I dont think that the negation of a possible return (due to getting the book SSed and there being some damage as a result of the SS process) excludes a partial refund.

 

poor handling didnt make the book restored, it just made it go from a 9.0 to a 6.5

 

A 6.5 has a 12mo GPA average of $186, there's not enough data to say what a SA 6.5 is worth... A SA Stan Lee in 9.0 was worth 45% less than the universal version. So Say a restored 6.5 is worth half of what a blue 6.5 is worth. controlling for slabbing costs (say $40) that means you should refund him 50% of 146, so $73

 

does that make sense? (Im not sure myself, so Im going to leave it at that, and get some sleep...)

[Bomber-Bob]

Thanks Highradarart for chiming in.

 

I think based on what I'm hearing, the moment that the book was signed and gone through that process, negated any possible option for a return?

 

So does that mean that no partial refund should be given?

 

I think based on the book going through that process, and out of your hands for that long, HR you don't owe me anything.

 

I dont think that the negation of a possible return (due to getting the book SSed and there being some damage as a result of the SS process) excludes a partial refund.

 

poor handling didnt make the book restored, it just made it go from a 9.0 to a 6.5

 

A 6.5 has a 12mo GPA average of $186, there's not enough data to say what a SA 6.5 is worth... A SA Stan Lee in 9.0 was worth 45% less than the universal version. So Say a restored 6.5 is worth half of what a blue 6.5 is worth. controlling for slabbing costs (say $40) that means you should refund him 50% of 146, so $73

 

does that make sense? (Im not sure myself, so Im going to leave it at that, and get some sleep...)

 

That makes sense but I would disagree with the PLOD being worth half of the Blue. I think it would be less than half.

[Wall-Crawler]

What is the "statute of limitation" on restored books?

 

For example, say I buy a book from someone. Months later I decide to sub it, say economy tier and I get the book back like 6 months later and it comes back restored.

 

How "long" should the original seller be "responsible" for the book?

 

Just curious.

 

the better you want your reputation to be, the longer you are willing to make amends with the buyer.

 

I dont think there is a set answer.

 

WC here's another one, how far back does restitution go? the most recent transaction? the last two? and so on....

 

I agree with the part about preserving your reputation but I guess after a set amount of time, how could you KNOW when the CT happened? I guess if the buyer had the book for a month or two and subbed it with no signing, etc. the seller should make amends..But for really long periods of time, like a year or more...

 

As for restitution, depends how many hands...I think the most recent seller as they presumably looked it over and they then take any responsibility for it if they passed/sold it along

 

I just asked b/c it can become quite

[CGCboy]

Thanks everyone for the thoughts.

Hector and I appreciate it.

 

I have never dealt with a situation like this before so I am trying to solve it as amicably as possible.

I don't think Hector has either.

 

I don't care about the 6.5 or the 7.0 ( I did not handle them in anything less than a delicate fashion. If I did the 181 would not be an 8.5)

It was the resto that made me contact Hector.

 

[miraclemet]

Can someone with a better understanding of modern "hot" slab values comment if this thread:

 

MP15 for $199!

 

Is it a bunch of "not worth the cost of the box unless you get the MP15" slabs or is it still worth getting the box even if you dont get the MP15?

[Jeffro.]

Can someone with a better understanding of modern "hot" slab values comment if this thread:

 

MP15 for $199!

 

Is it a bunch of "not worth the cost of the box unless you get the MP15" slabs or is it still worth getting the box even if you dont get the MP15?

 

The whole thing smells of baiting people to buy his junk in the 1 in 30 chance of getting a desired book.

I would prefer not to see these kinds of sales threads on the boards. This place really is getting to be like ebay more and more very day.

[comicdonna]

+1

[miraclemet]

What do people think of this litmus test:

 

Mystery box vs raffle

 

A mystery box sales thread has the following conditions; a seller is able to "get rid of bulk" whe the buyers all get good deals. Typical example is with trade paperbacks. A seller may "bulk" the trades worth say $100 and rather than go thru the trouble of listing each book individually, sell them in lots at a lower total cost, say $50 "mystery boxes." The seller saves time not listing every book, they get the benefit of getting more books sold, and the buyers get a deal in getting more for their money (while sacrificing knowing exactly what they are getting.

 

A raffle typically has the following conditions; sales occur in the buyers hopes of getting a prize that far exceeds the cost of entry. Sellers are able to offer these "grand prizes" by having the remaining participants receive prizes of value that are less than the cost of entry. When there are winners and losers, you are running a raffle.

[Iceman399]

Can someone with a better understanding of modern "hot" slab values comment if this thread:

 

MP15 for $199!

 

Is it a bunch of "not worth the cost of the box unless you get the MP15" slabs or is it still worth getting the box even if you dont get the MP15?

 

Short of the MP15, Strain 1 and Todd 9.8 and on a good day the PP10ss everything else is $20-50 a slab.

 

In terms of raws they are all $2 (Mysterious strangers/TWD 112) etc up to the wolverine 1 which we can say $30 for. All the rest of the raws looking at 5-10 on average each.

[seanfingh]

What do people think of this litmus test:

 

Mystery box vs raffle

 

A mystery box sales thread has the following conditions; a seller is able to "get rid of bulk" whe the buyers all get good deals. Typical example is with trade paperbacks. A seller may "bulk" the trades worth say $100 and rather than go thru the trouble of listing each book individually, sell them in lots at a lower total cost, say $50 "mystery boxes." The seller saves time not listing every book, they get the benefit of getting more books sold, and the buyers get a deal in getting more for their money (while sacrificing knowing exactly what they are getting.

 

A raffle typically has the following conditions; sales occur in the buyers hopes of getting a prize that far exceeds the cost of entry. Sellers are able to offer these "grand prizes" by having the remaining participants receive prizes of value that are less than the cost of entry. When there are winners and losers, you are running a raffle.

 

This is it exactly. I don't like either scenario being here, but it looks like mystery boxes are here to stay. Properly run, they provide exactly what is described - at least the value tendered, usually more, you just have no idea what you are getting.

 

Raffles are what they are. They are always run to favor the raffler. It is just gambling, which I love. But at least casinos have gaming commissions looking over their shoulder. Raffles should be shut down by the mods, but if they aren't, the participants should be estopped from complaining when they get hosed.

[seanfingh]

 

Aaaaand the raffle is shut down.

[bababooey]

YOU ARE SELLING MULTIPLE COPIES OF THE SAME BOOK WITHOUT DIFFERENTIATING THEM FROM EACH OTHER.

 

1ST POST POSTS

2ND GUY POSTS YOUR BEST COPY PLEASE

 

WHO GETS THE BEST COPY?

explain why if you want...

 

[Jeffro.]

I just don't get the whole mystery box thing. If you want to get rid of your junk cheaply, there are other ways to do it.

 

Mystery boxes properly run are probably okay. However, the potential for abuse is there but that same potential exists for any sales thread.

 

[Jeffro.]

YOU ARE SELLING MULTIPLE COPIES OF THE SAME BOOK WITHOUT DIFFERENTIATING THEM FROM EACH OTHER.

 

1ST POST POSTS

2ND GUY POSTS YOUR BEST COPY PLEASE

 

WHO GETS THE BEST COPY?

explain why if you want...

 

The problem starts and ends with this

YOU ARE SELLING MULTIPLE COPIES OF THE SAME BOOK WITHOUT DIFFERENTIATING THEM FROM EACH OTHER.

 

Break them out individually. Label them A, B, C, or whatever. Put a grade on each. Stop being a lazy seller.

[bababooey]

Yep, my annoyance comes from the guy who is 3rd or 4th with posting the but asks for the best copy.

Just wondering if anyone honours that type of request.