Sony's MORBIUS THE LIVING VAMPIRE starring Jared Leto (2022) 4 4

[paperheart]

On 4/4/2022 at 2:55 PM, Jaydogrules said:

Given how terrible the reviews for this evidently are I find it more than just a little notable that it opened larger than Spider-verse did, with no China and no prime Christmas vacation schedule on a much smaller budget.

-J.

notable

Morbius

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

[Gatsby77]

On 4/24/2022 at 2:32 PM, Jaydogrules said:

Wait- "velocity" isn't relevant because the statements weren't simply, "this made 2x in only 2 weeks, therefore it is a 'smash''", the statement was "this is officially a 'smash'' at 400MM (2x multiple)"

Oh,  And Batman had NO competition for its first three weekends morbius had tons, including batman.  

-J.

Correct.

Because 2x in only 10 days equates to well over 3.5x theatrical over a short 9 week run. Velocity.

Or...are you overlooking that - even though many on this very comic book message board waited to see it at home on HBO Max rather than pay to see it in the theater, that The Batman's not only clocked the top domestic gross of the year so far, but it's also out-grossed every other DCEU film listed on Bosco's chart domestically but for Wonder Woman.

That means it out-did most of them domestically *even accounting for inflation.*

[Bosco685]

On 4/24/2022 at 2:32 PM, Jaydogrules said:

Wait- "velocity" isn't relevant because the statements weren't simply, "this made 2x in only 2 weeks, therefore it is a 'smash''", the statement was "this is officially a 'smash'' at 400MM (2x multiple)"

Oh,  And Batman had NO competition for its first three weekends morbius had tons, including batman.  

-J.

That highlighted part is meant to cloud your original message: that both The Batman and Morbius were on equal box office footing out of the gate in achieving $200M (though you are purposely ignoring when that $200M matters). They aren't!

Even if we just focus on the domestic market, by the second weekend The Batman had already exceeded $200M with a longer runway to make even more money.

The Batman (weekly domestic results)

Morbius (weekly domestic results)

So the recognition of The Batman worldwide total breaking 2.0X production budget within a week came with the realization it still had many weeks of box office to come.

I hope that helps with your question.

[paperheart]

Horrific multiples of opening weekend US BO:

Watchmen 1.95x

Batman v Superman 1.99x

Dark Phoenix 2.01x

Morbius 1.78x (needs to get to $76 million US to match Watchmen)

[Jaydogrules]

On 4/24/2022 at 11:53 AM, Gatsby77 said:

Correct.

Because 2x in only 10 days equates to well over 3.5x theatrical over a short 9 week run. Velocity.

Or...are you overlooking that - even though many on this very comic book message board waited to see it at home on HBO Max rather than pay to see it in the theater, that The Batman's not only clocked the top domestic gross of the year so far, but it's also out-grossed every other DCEU film listed on Bosco's chart domestically but for Wonder Woman.

That means it out-did most of them domestically *even accounting for inflation.*

When you have to parse numbers this hard to convince people your movie was a smash hit, it wasn't.  

I'm not saying it was a flop or even that it lost money. It has made a very modest amount theatrically for the studio- and we are talking about DC's biggest comic book property BY FAR. It  under performed the average of every other DC movie to date including every Batman movie ever made.   

No, that is not impressive. 

It is "meh".  It should have made at least 200 million more and might have if it was shorter and better.  And yes I'm more impressed by morbius' 2x in three weeks than I am by batmans in 10 days or even 3 weeks, since, as I have noted before, and you keep ignoring, the movie had ZERO competition for nearly the first month of its existence.  

-J.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Jaydogrules

[Gatsby77]

On 4/25/2022 at 9:20 PM, Jaydogrules said:

It  under performed the average of every other DC movie to date including every Batman movie ever made.   

Except it didn't. Go back and look at Bosco's chart - that's blatantly false.

And while technically it may have "underperformed the average of every Batman movie" - it still well out-performed the likes of Batman Returns, Forever, Batman & Robin and Batman Begins.

As for the *extra $200 million* it *should* have made, just look to China.

While it's still on track to book $30 million there, that's a far cry from the $150-$200 million norm.

But that's because 40% of China's theaters were closed due to Covid the day The Batman opened there, and it's only gotten worse in the weeks since. Shanghai went into complete lockdown two weeks ago and Beijing followed suit last weekend.

China's basically a non-factor for this film - not because it wasn't released there or wasn't popular there, but because of widespread Covid lockdowns.

[Jaydogrules]

On 4/26/2022 at 3:15 AM, Gatsby77 said:

Except it didn't. Go back and look at Bosco's chart - that's blatantly false.

And while technically it may have "underperformed the average of every Batman movie" - it still well out-performed the likes of Batman Returns, Forever, Batman & Robin and Batman Begins.

As for the *extra $200 million* it *should* have made, just look to China.

While it's still on track to book $30 million there, that's a far cry from the $150-$200 million norm.

But that's because 40% of China's theaters were closed due to Covid the day The Batman opened there, and it's only gotten worse in the weeks since. Shanghai went into complete lockdown two weeks ago and Beijing followed suit last weekend.

China's basically a non-factor for this film - not because it wasn't released there or wasn't popular there, but because of widespread Covid lockdowns.

You're still making excuses for why this movie under-performed by $200MM.

Read my comment again.   I said it performed below the AVERAGE of those other movies. Which it did. 

Pretty lame considering this is DC's biggest character, it had no competition for 3 weeks and even nailed a China release (I've already linked multiple articles showing how Chinese theaters have been closing intermittently for many movies, and see no reason to repeat myself here, movies that made a lot more than batman did, that excuse is tired and played out and needs to be permanently scrapped, the movie just plain bombed there like other American movied did , jungle cuise and the matrix included, oh and do you seriously need to be reminded how much no way home made with NO china at all?).

Pretty lame ibox office numbers indeed.  It should have been shorter, much shorter, and better.  

-J.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Jaydogrules

[Gatsby77]

On 4/26/2022 at 1:44 PM, Jaydogrules said:

Read my comment again.   I said it performed below the AVERAGE of those other movies. Which it did. 

?

Here's Bosco's latest chart of the DCEU films to date. And even though it's a week out of date, it clearly shows that - even then - The Batman outperformed the average revenue ratio of all of those movies. Revenue-to-cost ratio matters here, because it accounts for inflation.

It was different a theatrical world in 1978 when Superman: The Movie hit as it was in 2008 when The Dark Knight hit.

[Bosco685]

Morbius Digital Date Reportedly Revealed

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Morbius will soon make its way to homes around the world after a lackluster theater run. It was the second spin-off in Sony Pictures' universe of Spider-Man characters, and it definitely felt like it. The film is set in the same universe as Tom Hardy's Venom, so hopefully it adds up to something eventful in the future. Earlier today it was revealed exactly when we could expect Morbius on digital download. According to a listing on a ticketing website in India, Book My Show, the film will hit digital download on May 19th, 2022.

 

[Jaydogrules]

On 4/26/2022 at 1:58 PM, Gatsby77 said:

?

Here's Bosco's latest chart of the DCEU films to date. And even though it's a week out of date, it clearly shows that - even then - The Batman outperformed the average revenue ratio of all of those movies. Revenue-to-cost ratio matters here, because it accounts for inflation.

It was different a theatrical world in 1978 when Superman: The Movie hit as it was in 2008 when The Dark Knight hit.

Funny how you don't mind Bosco rounding up when it's on a movie you like.  

Barely average.  On your biggest property.  With no competition.  And china.  Not adjusted for inflation. Yay.  

I stand by my statements.  

-J.

Edited April 27, 2022 by Jaydogrules

[paperheart]

seem to be missing the big picture here, 18,000 people in the US willingly subjected themselves to Moribundius yesterday

[Bosco685]

I just don't see Sony turning over the keys just yet with its 900 Spider-Verse characters. Though it would be nice having the Spider-Men across these movies.

[paperheart]

threatening to move into the top 100

Morbius (2022)

Domestic (44.3%)
$71,457,347

Edited May 1, 2022 by paperheart

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

[Randall Dowling]

At this point, I'm just happy because I'll be able to afford a copy of ASM 101 again.  

Apologies to anyone that stocked up on them speculating that they would make a bunch of money on the success of the film.  The best time to sell is now.

[paperheart]

On 4/4/2022 at 4:11 PM, Jaydogrules said:

Nobody cares about "oscar winning" anything,, and we will see what the final take will be.  

And, as previously mentioned, spider-verse also cost a lot more, had a plum release schedule , and China (60× million there alone).

But I'm sure you knew all this already.  

-J.

seen enough yet?

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

Dec 14-16 1 $35,363,376 - 3,813 - $9,274 $35,363,376 1 Dec 21-23 4 $16,463,662 -53.4% 3,813 - $4,317 $64,563,725 2 Dec 21-25 Christmas long wknd 4 $25,443,805 - 3,813 - $6,672 $73,543,868 1 Dec 28-30 4 $18,794,532 +14.2% 3,813 - $4,929 $104,123,262 3 Dec 28-Jan 1, 2019 New Year's long wknd 4 $29,003,508 - 3,813 - $7,606 $114,332,238 - Jan 4-6 5 $13,126,885 -30.2% 3,419 -394 $3,839 $133,978,231 4 Jan 11-13 4 $9,050,583 -31.1% 3,029 -390 $2,987 $147,826,028 5
Morbius Apr 1-3 1 $39,005,895 - 4,268 - $9,139 $39,005,895 1 Apr 8-10 2 $10,201,332 -73.8% 4,268 - $2,390 $57,078,553 2 Apr 15-17 6 $4,730,148 -53.6% 3,462 -806 $1,366 $65,148,279 3 Apr 15-18 Easter wknd 6 $5,294,504 - 3,462 - $1,529 $65,712,635 - Apr 22-24 9 $2,307,137 -51.2% 2,306 -1,156 $1,000 $69,235,241 4 Apr 29-May 1 10 $1,500,000 -35% 1,726 -580 $869 $71,457,347 5

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by paperheart

[Bosco685]

[Jaydogrules]

On 5/2/2022 at 4:22 AM, Bosco685 said:

 Now at 2.2 x.

Another "raging success" for Sony.  

-J.

[paperheart]

At 1.84x, Moribundius is an absolute lock to have the worst multiple of opening weekend of a CBM, shattering Watchmen's pathetic 1.95x 

 

[Bosco685]

On 5/6/2022 at 11:21 PM, paperheart said:

At 1.84x, Moribundius is an absolute lock to have the worst multiple of opening weekend of a CBM, shattering Watchmen's pathetic 1.95x