This cover is horrible, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar! 5 5

[Kramerica]

On 7/4/2023 at 5:51 AM, Ken Aldred said:

Being just shy of 60, I can vouch for this.

I recall the pinpoint accuracy of my youth.

The continued transmogrification of this thread in new and exciting directions is startling. And we have @Get Marwood & I to thank for this literary gift.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Kramerica
I cant spel

[Ken Aldred]

On 7/3/2023 at 11:32 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

 

 

"What?"

 

Did Gary Busey ever audition for the role of Wolverine?

[Ken Aldred]

On 7/4/2023 at 3:11 PM, Kramerica said:

The continued transmogrification of this thread in new and exciting directions is startling. And we have @Get Marwood & I to thank for this literary gift.

You’re right. I’m now in a different mood where it seems a bit too crass.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Ken Aldred

[Kramerica]

On 7/4/2023 at 7:37 AM, Ken Aldred said:

You’re right. I’m now in a different mood where it seems a bit too crass.

Let's steer it back into acceptable territory

 

[Ken Aldred]

On 7/4/2023 at 3:53 PM, Kramerica said:

Let's steer it back into acceptable territory

 

I concur.

[Ken Aldred]

On 7/4/2023 at 3:53 PM, Kramerica said:

Let's steer it back into acceptable territory

 

Interesting cover, but somewhat muddled in the background when you look at it from a distance.

[stock_rotation]

On 7/3/2023 at 1:30 PM, Ken Aldred said:

I think Miller’s artistic deterioration is quite tragic. From what I’ve read on the boards he doesn’t seem in good health.

This kind of commentary is almost as tedious as Lee/Kirby discussions. Miller has been drawing like this for decades. Granted, his style has become much more abstract and simplified, but Elektra Lives Again was 33 years ago. I believe what most consider Miller's peak was more due to Janson's inks and/or Varley's coloring because they softened his harsher edges. Compositionally, he's still better than most of his peers.

[Ken Aldred]

On 7/4/2023 at 4:40 PM, stock_rotation said:

This kind of commentary is almost as tedious as Lee/Kirby discussions. Miller has been drawing like this for decades. Granted, his style has become much more abstract and simplified, but Elektra Lives Again was 33 years ago. I believe what most consider Miller's peak was more due to Janson's inks and/or Varley's coloring because they softened his harsher edges. Compositionally, he's still better than most of his peers.

Pardon me.

I still think the style he’s used since DK 2 at least is terrible, as are many of his covers since then.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Ken Aldred

[jjonahjameson11]

On 7/4/2023 at 11:40 AM, stock_rotation said:

This kind of commentary is almost as tedious as Lee/Kirby discussions. Miller has been drawing like this for decades. Granted, his style has become much more abstract and simplified, but Elektra Lives Again was 33 years ago. I believe what most consider Miller's peak was more due to Janson's inks and/or Varley's coloring because they softened his harsher edges. Compositionally, he's still better than most of his peers.

To me, Miller hit his peak with RONIN.

he was never good with anatomy, but he made up for it with his storytelling abilities 

[jjonahjameson11]

On 7/3/2023 at 1:09 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

The first time I saw Miller’s Spidey with toes was back in 2002…the cover to The Complete Frank Miller Spiderman

[stock_rotation]

On 7/4/2023 at 12:08 PM, Ken Aldred said:

Pardon me.

I still think the style he’s used since DK 2 at least is terrible, as are many of his covers since then.

Sorry I wasn't clearer; that wasn't an attack on you personally. I was addressing the internet's general person_without_enough_empathyiness towards Miller's art. 

And I wasn't clear on my reference, either; Elektra Lives Again came out in 1990.

[MR SigS]

I always hated this cover.

 

[Kramerica]

On 7/4/2023 at 12:09 PM, MR SigS said:

I always hated this cover.

 

Yeah, well, you couldn't rush Paul Smith. If you gave him 3 months he would deliver you a beautiful issue. But 1 month? He had a very hard time delivering the goods.

[THE_BEYONDER]

This cover has always bothered me....

[Ken Aldred]

On 7/4/2023 at 10:37 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

This cover has always bothered me....

Mediocre. Still far, far better than Howard Chaykin’s famous short-armed Wolverine panel.

[ADAMANTIUM]

Maybe the claws aren't fully extended?

[darkstar]

 

 

 

[Ken Aldred]

On 7/4/2023 at 5:53 PM, stock_rotation said:

Sorry I wasn't clearer; that wasn't an attack on you personally. I was addressing the internet's general person_without_enough_empathyiness towards Miller's art. 

And I wasn't clear on my reference, either; Elektra Lives Again came out in 1990.

I agree with what you said about Janson smoothing out Miller’s art, as I really like his Daredevil and Dark Knight Returns, as well as Ronin in between, which had an interesting, European, Heavy Metal quality to it.

But, this is the point at which I stopped following his work, as I found the art in this graphic novel to be a bit abrasive and scrappy-looking in comparison to the earlier, slicker BA  / CA  Daredevil material.  Really disliked it.

But, as you said, his style evolved and it’s inevitable that this will risk polarising the audience. Same for any creator.

Edited July 5, 2023 by Ken Aldred

[Cat]

On 7/5/2023 at 8:32 AM, darkstar said:

 

 

 

But that says 18?

[wardevil0]

On 7/5/2023 at 7:31 AM, Cat said:

But that says 18?

Sales for issue #17 in CGC 9.8 were recorded 18 times in 2021, with a highest price of $7700 and a lowest price of $2358 during the calendar year.  It's "Number of Reported Sales," not issue number.