AVATAR 2 THE WAY OF WATER starring Sam Worthington (2022) 2 2

[Bosco685]

On 11/26/2022 at 9:53 PM, musicmeta said:

I wonder if this sequel will break $400 million domestically. 

 

[musicmeta]

On 1/21/2023 at 10:54 AM, Bosco685 said:

 

Don't have to wonder anymore..LOL!  

[Bosco685]

On 1/21/2023 at 4:20 PM, musicmeta said:

Don't have to wonder anymore..LOL!  

It is just interesting to go back and see what we all assumed versus where this crazy ride has landed. Shockingly beyond what was expected.

[sledgehammer]

On 1/21/2023 at 3:20 PM, musicmeta said:

Don't have to wonder anymore..LOL!  

Don't feel too bad.

This basically rates as about the exact same level of box office surprise to me as Jurassic World did.

Avatar 2 is about $20 million behind that movies' pace, and that's not accounting for inflation at all.

Coincidentally, adjusted for inflation, Jurassic Park is at $860MM, and Avatar is at $912MM

It just screams out "intravenous twitter updates", doesn't it?

[Bosco685]

On 1/21/2023 at 6:03 PM, sledgehammer said:

Don't feel too bad.

This basically rates as about the exact same level of box office surprise to me as Jurassic World did.

Avatar 2 is about $20 million behind that movies' pace, and that's not accounting for inflation at all.

Coincidentally, adjusted for inflation, Jurassic Park is at $860MM, and Avatar is at $912MM

It just screams out "intravenous twitter updates", doesn't it?

[Bosco685]

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James Cameron’s blockbuster sequel Avatar: The Way of Water makes box office history Sunday (with a chance to reach the magic number Saturday) as it reaches $2 billion, a number most pundits and film fans seemed to doubt it could top when the film first opened five weeks ago to $435 million in worldwide receipts.

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However, my guess is we’ll eventually see an Avatar 2 re-release ahead of Avatar 3’s release — and also even a “special edition” re-release of The Way of Water including some new scenes we haven’t seen before, all of which has a shot at boosting The Way of Water closer and closer to Endgame’s #2 spot.

 

At this point, Avatar: The Way of Water should easily pass $2.1 billion and make a run for at least $2.2+ billion and maybe $2.3 billion, with $2.4+ billion the higher end of likely outcomes. But even saying that, I have to remind myself this film has been blowing past expectations and defying odds every day, so we can’t rule out a $2.5 billion finish. Improbable, maybe, but impossible? Never bet against James Cameron.

 

[sledgehammer]

Yea, dude, there's something wrong with that Mark Hughes guy.

 

I’ll continue to update you on Avatar: The Way of Water’s record breaking and expectation-defying run, dear readers, so be sure to check back here soon for more news. And watch for my coverage of Ant-Man and the Wasp, and continuing coverage of Marvel Studio’s Black Panther: Wakanda Forever getting a recently announced release in China that could put it on the path to a possible $1 billion finish after all — read more about that situation here in my latest report about it.

And if you’re among the eager audiences venturing out to theaters this weekend to see Avatar: The Way of Water or another film, be sure to remember to wear a mask to protect not only yourself but also other people around you who might be immuno-compromised or otherwise at worse risk of serious health outcomes or death from Covid or even from the flu. The pandemic isn’t over, dear readers, and right now it’s actually surging with a new more dangerous variant, so be careful and mask up!

 

 

 

 

[sledgehammer]

Dear readers?

LMFAO.

[sledgehammer]

"It might hit 2.2 billion, or 2.3 billion, or 2.4 billion, or 2.5 billion"

"There's no way that it will hit 2.6 billion, but remember it's James Cameron, so it might even hit 2.6 Billion!"

--- Mark Hughes

 

What the fuggedy dimwitted ????

The international market has EXPLODED in the last 15 years.

In 2011, there were only 4,700 screens, in ALL OF CHINA.

Adjusted for inflation, Avatar's combined domestic and international total would be at $3.5 Billion dollars in today's dollars.

That doesn't even take in to account what it would have done if the same number of screens had been available 14 years ago, as there are today.

Let alone Titanic, in 1997.

[mtracy64]

The world population has increased about 15% since 2011 also. Box office of $2 Billion is still absurdly huge today, but there is no good metric for comparing movies released 15 years apart - even "bums in seats" is flawed due to population increases over time.

I wonder how much of any $2 Billion film is due to repeat viewers also, especially if the number is achieved primarily due to "good legs" rather than a huge take the first couple weeks.

[sledgehammer]

On 1/22/2023 at 9:59 AM, mtracy64 said:

Box office of $2 Billion is still absurdly huge today, but there is no good metric for comparing movies released 15 years apart - even "bums in seats" is flawed due to population increases over time.

The good metric would be ticket sales, but I can't find that for the international box office numbers.

It's only used in domestic box office, adjusted for the ticket price in today's dollars.

[Bosco685]

 

[sledgehammer]

On 1/22/2023 at 10:02 AM, sledgehammer said:

The good metric would be ticket sales, but I can't find that for the international box office numbers.

It's only used in domestic box office, adjusted for the ticket price in today's dollars.

Found the ticket sold numbers for perspective.

Star Wars sold 178 million domestic, and 160 million international (probably impacted more by the re-release)

Jurassic Park sold 92 million tickets domestic, and 88 million international.

Avatar sold 98 million tickets domestic, and 240 million international.

Jurassic World sold 77 million domestic, and 120 million international.

In 2019, Avengers Endgame sold 95 million domestic and 256 million international.

 

[drotto]

It is astounding to look at it this way.  The MCU is currently at about 28.3 billion for 30 films.  Avatar is currently at 5 billion for only 2 films.  If if the next three films gross conservativly 5 billion more, only 5 films would be needed to make about 40% of the MCU totals to date.

[Bosco685]

On 1/22/2023 at 11:54 AM, sledgehammer said:

Found the ticket sold numbers for perspective.

Star Wars sold 178 million domestic, and 160 million international (probably impacted more by the re-release)

Jurassic Park sold 92 million tickets domestic, and 88 million international.

Avatar sold 98 million tickets domestic, and 240 million international.

Jurassic World sold 77 million domestic, and 120 million international.

In 2019, Avengers Endgame sold 95 million domestic and 256 million international.

 

I respect that you want to share information. But the ticket sales details based on 2022 ticket price data is readily available for anyone to check here. Though if you read the disclaimer, they also make it clear much of the modern data is ballpark guesstimations.

BOX OFFICE MOJO - Top Lifetime Adjusted Grosses

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Movies released from the 1980s to mid-1990s may not have extensive weekend box office data and many movies released prior to 1980 may not have weekend data at all, so the detailed timeline of when each movie made its money may not be available. In such cases (and where actual number of tickets sold is not available), adjustments may be made based on total earnings and the average ticket price for the year it was released. Still, this should be a good general guideline to gauge a movie's popularity and compare it to other movies released in different years or decades.

 

Adjusting for ticket price inflation is not an exact science and should be used for a general idea of what a movie might have made if released in a different year, assuming it sold the same number of tickets.

So when you quote something as factual with this data, realize that those numbers for 'funny money rates' to allow for a comparison, and not exact. The additional comparison challenge is the massive 3-D theater results with Avatar 2.

‘Avatar 2’ Has Made Over $1 Billion From 3D Screenings Alone

So the ticket sales rates are based on 2-D results. BOM would have to guesstimate 3-D theater distribution at a point in time.

Odd how there wasn't all this excitement to adjust box office results when #BeatAvatar was being pushed during the Avengers: Endgame rush to be the top film.

[Bosco685]

On 1/22/2023 at 11:56 AM, drotto said:

It is astounding to look at it this way.  The MCU is currently at about 28.3 billion for 30 films.  Avatar is currently at 5 billion for only 2 films.  If if the next three films gross conservativly 5 billion more, only 5 films would be needed to make about 40% of the MCU totals to date.

But what does that have to do with "but what about adjusted ticket sales"??

[Bosco685]

Disney is eating this all up as they can do re-releases of both franchises to break records and it all comes back to The Vault.

[sledgehammer]

On 1/22/2023 at 11:23 AM, Bosco685 said:

On 1/22/2023 at 10:54 AM, sledgehammer said:

Found the ticket sold numbers for perspective.

Star Wars sold 178 million domestic, and 160 million international (probably impacted more by the re-release)

Jurassic Park sold 92 million tickets domestic, and 88 million international.

Avatar sold 98 million tickets domestic, and 240 million international.

Jurassic World sold 77 million domestic, and 120 million international.

In 2019, Avengers Endgame sold 95 million domestic and 256 million international.

 

I respect that you want to share information. But the ticket sales details based on 2022 ticket price data is readily available for anyone to check here. Though if you read the disclaimer, they also make it clear much of the modern data is ballpark guesstimations.

The link you provided to boxofficemojo is only the domestic ticket sales.

You also stated "adjusted ticket sales". Nothing about ticket sales is adjusted.

[sledgehammer]

On 1/22/2023 at 11:23 AM, Bosco685 said:

‘Avatar 2’ Has Made Over $1 Billion From 3D Screenings Alone

So the ticket sales rates are based on 2-D results. BOM would have to guesstimate 3-D theater distribution at a point in time.

Odd how there wasn't all this excitement to adjust box office results when #BeatAvatar was being pushed during the Avengers: Endgame rush to be the top film.

Box office mojo all-time grosses does not include Avatar 2 yet. It has grossed $582MM roughly, so at the 2022 ticket price level, that is about 62 million in domestic tickets sold.

Edited January 22, 2023 by sledgehammer
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[Bosco685]

On 1/22/2023 at 12:41 PM, sledgehammer said:

The link you provided to boxofficemojo is only the domestic ticket sales.

You also stated "adjusted ticket sales". Nothing about ticket sales is adjusted.

Box office are ticket sales.