Heritage Fall Signature Auction 5 5

[Zolnerowich]

10 minutes ago, Sqeggs said:

Warn't me.  I wasn't able to bid live on any of them.  Great pickup.  Those 1950s Charltons are really starting to grow on me. 

There's ointment for that, you know.

[Mmehdy]

14 minutes ago, Cat-Man_America said:

I'm not sure how we got sidetracked from a critique of the process to calling into question CGC's reputation.  Yeah, I know, the fish analogy stinks and you're not about to let me off the hook for it.   

Pressing is commonly accepted and has been for a very long time, but it isn't common knowledge on a book to book basis. Crack/press grade manipulation is one of the reasons the CGC Census is more like a dice roll than a data base.  Other than that, I have no pressing issues.

Last time I checked, GPA provided incomplete sales data favoring one grading service.  I'm open to being persuaded how this benefits the hobby.

I will second that, I would take any GPA with a grain of salt....

[Sqeggs]

1 minute ago, Zolnerowich said:

11 minutes ago, Sqeggs said:

Warn't me.  I wasn't able to bid live on any of them.  Great pickup.  Those 1950s Charltons are really starting to grow on me. 

There's ointment for that, you know.

Thank gawd!  I had another opinion that recommended surgery. 

[lou_fine]

8 minutes ago, Sqeggs said:

3 hours ago, lbcolefan said:

Picked up another Cole cover today. 

That rascal's got really good-sized hands! 

And I am sure we all know what that means.  

As I am sure she also must obviously know from how close and tight she is holding onto him.  

[Cat-Man_America]

22 minutes ago, Mmehdy said:

Auction could hit a record..10.75M...I agree with you Cat on this one, its a strange world out there, I  would stick with mainstream..Cap1, 2, 3 etc over 10X guide mille the model...

Won a book I wanted for a fair price.  I was an underbidder on one of the Timelys and several degrees of underbid on a piece of art (much to my surprise).   

No one paid much attention to my groan-worthy pun about (Matt's) mainstream press and fake news, but in fairness we have some pretty serious folks rehashing the HA results in this thread. I've seen less sweat on nitroglycerine haulers in William Friedkin's movie The Sorcerer.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

1 minute ago, Cat-Man_America said:

Won a book I wanted for a fair price.  I was an underbidder on one of the Timelys and several degrees of underbid on a piece of art (much to my surprise).   

No one paid much attention to my groan-worthy pun about (Matt's) mainstream press and fake news, but in fairness we have some pretty serious folks rehashing the HA results in this thread. I've seen less sweat on nitroglycerine haulers in William Friedkin's movie The Sorcerer.

Actually I did read what you said about pressing and decided you must not be a fan of it.  I was thinking to myself that’s probably an unpopular position in this forum, but its a position I agree with

[Sqeggs]

3 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

Actually I did read what you said about pressing and decided you must not be a fan of it.  I was thinking to myself that’s probably an unpopular position in this forum, but its a position I agree with

I don't know if the position is unpopular as much as the issue has been beaten to death in multiple threads over the years.  For better or worse, that ship has sailed, circled the globe multiple times, been renovated, and is now docked in New Orleans where it's operated as a casino.  

[Sqeggs]

On 11/16/2018 at 9:07 AM, sagii said:

...Wonder if Hakes affected HA yesterday a little (if at all) 

You know, I completely forgot about Hakes.  I looked through the catalog and didn't see any comics that set my pulses racing.  Usually, though, I throw in at least some token bids on comics or the other junk they list.  First time in ages that I didn't.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

8 minutes ago, Sqeggs said:

I don't know if the position is unpopular as much as the issue has been beaten to death in multiple threads over the years.  For better or worse, that ship has sailed, circled the globe multiple times, been renovated, and is now docked in New Orleans where it's operated as a casino.  

[batman_fan]

58 minutes ago, Sqeggs said:

I don't see my purchases as speculating on comics; I see them as helping to fund the retirements of as many dealers as possible. 

That needs to be a custom tag line !

[Microbia]

My one big HA win... great cover, high SI index, mid grade condition, nice paper, and best of all, I got it for way under my max bid!

[Cat-Man_America]

1 minute ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

Actually I did read what you said about pressing and decided you must not be a fan of it.  I was thinking to myself that’s probably an unpopular position in this forum, but its a position I agree with

Decidedly mixed feelings about it.  I don't have a hard and fast posture against pressing, but I'm not a big fan.  I dislike the fact that cracking and pressing makes the census less trustworthy every time books are resubmitted without labels.  It also encourages collectors to take unnecessary risks with fragile books.

[Cat-Man_America]

31 minutes ago, Sqeggs said:

I don't know if the position is unpopular as much as the issue has been beaten to death in multiple threads over the years.  For better or worse, that ship has sailed, circled the globe multiple times, been renovated, and is now docked in New Orleans where it's operated as a casino.  

Ah, so basically you're projecting an urge to book passage on a vacation cruise ship.  I hear ya! 

[tth2]

15 hours ago, Sqeggs said:

Opened ye olde canne of wormes!

I've had my doubts about a number of the "Church" copies HA has auctioned in recent months.  I raised the issue in a thread -- now long buried -- with respect to mid-grade raw books that seemed unlikely to me to have been ever owned by Edgar.

I think the answer to your question is that CGC has been going by provenance for the books that lack any Church markings. HA received a very large consignment of these books, sent some of them to CGC with the assurance that they were Church copies, and CGC accepted the provenance.

Now a couple of caveats:  Many of the books from this consignment (including most or all of the most important books) clearly are authentic Church copies.  Others might well be, although I don't think we have anything other than the consignor's word for it. 

But I'm pretty sure that other books have been given an incorrect attribution.

When I raised this issue in the other thread, practically nobody responded either out of respect for the consignor or because of indifference.

When I've raised this issue with people off-line, the responses I've received have generally been some variety of, "Eh, none of the iffy books are really key books, so who cares?"

The bottom line for me is that as a result of how this matter was handled by HA and CGC, there will now be an unknown number of books out there with Church labels that actually aren't Edgar's books.

If anyone else has any thoughts or -- better! -- knowledge of what's going on, I'd very much like to hear it,.

What's odd is that the 9.4 Church copy was already in CGC's database, so they knew that they'd already slabbed a Church copy of that issue.  So this wasn't a case of a previously unsubmitted copy being presenting to them. 

Did CGC receive some persuasive evidence that this new 9.0 copy was also a Church copy despite them already certifying the 9.4 copy as such?   

[tth2]

11 hours ago, batman_fan said:

I know the model I won on Hakes came from the bid I placed the day it opened.  I didn't really look again until I got the winning email.

There was one piece of comic strip OA that I wanted on Hakes and put in a tracking bid.  But because I'm not used to bidding on Hakes, I totally forgot about it.  The winning price (not my bid) was WAY below what it would've sold for on Heritage and WAY below what I would've been willing to bid. 

[telerites]

 

18 hours ago, Microbia said:

My one big HA win... great cover, high SI index, mid grade condition, nice paper, and best of all, I got it for way under my max bid!

 

Love this book.  Quinlan covers are underappreciated, in my opinion.  Colors really pop.

Congrats 

Edited November 18, 2018 by telerites

[Mmehdy]

12 hours ago, Cat-Man_America said:

Decidedly mixed feelings about it.  I don't have a hard and fast posture against pressing, but I'm not a big fan.  I dislike the fact that cracking and pressing makes the census less trustworthy every time books are resubmitted without labels.  It also encourages collectors to take unnecessary risks with fragile books.

Pressing is the ultimate face job for GA.....kindly like plastic surgery....on a 60 year old woman for the tenth time...that is how I feel about it...

[batman_fan]

6 minutes ago, Mmehdy said:

Pressing is the ultimate face job for GA.....kindly like plastic surgery....on a 60 year old woman for the tenth time...that is how I feel about it...

So Mitch, I am getting the impression you are not a fan of pressing

[LDarkseid1]

Batman 1 cgc .5 sold for $22.8K and Captain Marvel nn 1 CBCS 2.0 sold for just under $6K, both unrestored. Those seem like abnormally weak sales. Any thoughts?

[Mmehdy]

52 minutes ago, batman_fan said:

So Mitch, I am getting the impression you are not a fan of pressing

If pressing was used to really restore a mishandled comic book,  a spine roll etc, I can understand it, to do it every time..like a zombie just to increase the grade to make more money or the chance of it..seems excessive...and that is where we are at now, at this point....respect the book, not the grade on the label...and play a dice roll...

Edited November 18, 2018 by Mmehdy