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Heritage Fall Signature Auction
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adamstrange

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1 minute ago, bc said:

Someone really wanted those Rex the Wonder Dog's.

Madness is a symptom of rabies...

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Cat-Man_America

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3 hours ago, batman_fan said:

Please dear god tell me you are not just realizing the bold statement above!

 

Cat, regardless of how big an oddball you are, we still love you :foryou:

True, they're sizable, but last time I checked two's an even number! ...Does this mean I need a pawnbroker's sign? :whatthe:

 

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Bomber-Bob

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11 hours ago, Sqeggs said:

Opened ye olde canne of wormes!

I've had my doubts about a number of the "Church" copies HA has auctioned in recent months.  I raised the issue in a thread -- now long buried -- with respect to mid-grade raw books that seemed unlikely to me to have been ever owned by Edgar.

I think the answer to your question is that CGC has been going by provenance for the books that lack any Church markings. HA received a very large consignment of these books, sent some of them to CGC with the assurance that they were Church copies, and CGC accepted the provenance.

Now a couple of caveats:  Many of the books from this consignment (including most or all of the most important books) clearly are authentic Church copies.  Others might well be, although I don't think we have anything other than the consignor's word for it. 

But I'm pretty sure that other books have been given an incorrect attribution.

When I raised this issue in the other thread, practically nobody responded either out of respect for the consignor or because of indifference.

When I've raised this issue with people off-line, the responses I've received have generally been some variety of, "Eh, none of the iffy books are really key books, so who cares?"

The bottom line for me is that as a result of how this matter was handled by HA and CGC, there will now be an unknown number of books out there with Church labels that actually aren't Edgar's books.

If anyone else has any thoughts or -- better! -- knowledge of what's going on, I'd very much like to hear it,.

IMO, this is not the fault of the submitter, it's the fault of CGC. Being a big fan of pedigrees, I believe the integrity of pedigrees need to be maintained. Years ago, you needed more than just an 'I was told by someone that this is a pedigree' for CGC to grant it. Obviously, they are too lenient. A quick check of their own database would have shown another copy existed. This example should be forwarded to CGC, maybe they can recall the book. This should not be swept under the table with a Meh attitude. 

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Mmehdy

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6 hours ago, Cat-Man_America said:

Richard, we're all oddballs when it comes to speculating on comics.  The process stinks at the fish head (third party pressing & grading) down to last-man-standing auction house bidding, deep pocket buyer's premiums (that influence realized values) and selective GPA scorecard keeping.  

In fact, the idea of mainstream is crazy in the current marketplace! If the oddball book gets a good mainstream press by Matt before being graded and auctioned then the final realized price has gotta be fake news. :wink:

 

Auction could hit a record..10.75M...I agree with you Cat on this one, its a strange world out there, I  would stick with mainstream..Cap1, 2, 3 etc over 10X guide mille the model...

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4 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

IMO, this is not the fault of the submitter, it's the fault of CGC. Being a big fan of pedigrees, I believe the integrity of pedigrees need to be maintained. Years ago, you needed more than just an 'I was told by someone that this is a pedigree' for CGC to grant it. Obviously, they are too lenient. A quick check of their own database would have shown another copy existed. This example should be forwarded to CGC, maybe they can recall the book. This should not be swept under the table with a Meh attitude. 

I agree that they're too lenient--or too inconsistent--but it's been that way for a while.

Some people may remember that the Cosmic Aeroplane Fantastic 8 (Youthful) became the Mile High Fantastic 8 when it was CGC'd.

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/fantastic-8-mile-high-pedigree-youthful-magazines-1952-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7036-91281.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/fantastic-8-cosmic-aeroplane-pedigree-youthful-magazines-1952-condition-nm-here-s-the-first-issue-of-a-science-fictio/a/752-50288.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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Cat-Man_America

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3 hours ago, MrBedrock said:

CGC is reputable. Pressing is common knowledge. GPA presents the data that they are allowed to.

 

I'm not sure how we got sidetracked from a critique of the process to calling into question CGC's reputation.  Yeah, I know, the fish analogy stinks and you're not about to let me off the hook for it.   :flamed:

Pressing is commonly accepted and has been for a very long time, but it isn't common knowledge on a book to book basis. Crack/press grade manipulation is one of the reasons the CGC Census is more like a dice roll than a data base.  Other than that, I have no pressing issues.

Last time I checked, GPA provided incomplete sales data favoring one grading service.  I'm open to being persuaded how this benefits the hobby.

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Sqeggs

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7 hours ago, Dr. Love said:

on the scoreboard with the Badge of Justice 2 - battling with one other guy, maybe Ed? Tony?  somebody

glad to have this quirky Giordano, I know the book is out there but comes along so rarely, at least in my circles

Warn't me.  I wasn't able to bid live on any of them.  Great pickup.  Those 1950s Charltons are really starting to grow on me. 

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Sqeggs

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1 hour ago, cheetah said:

Working on completing one of the two runs I'm still pursuing.  Pressed up from a 9.0 and a little rough on the corners but it will look good with the rest of the run.

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Great book!  Funny that the pedigree isn't given the way it usually is:  Edgar Church (Mile High) hm

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