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[Bosco685]

On 12/17/2023 at 6:02 AM, Prince Namor said:

1. The FF movie failed because it SUCKED, not because there were no comics or statues.

I never said Perlmutter's campaign actually caused the Fantastic Four (2015) failure. Read!

On 12/17/2023 at 6:02 AM, Prince Namor said:

2. That what Disney/Ike did wasn't 'Sabo-TAGE of biblical proportions', but mostly common business sense to NOT give away IP to other companies.

 

I never said "biblical proportions" - that was Roy's statement. But there was an extensive merchandising and comic book limitation/cancellation campaign that occurred at the direction of Perlmutter. Read!

 

On 12/17/2023 at 6:02 AM, Prince Namor said:

It's a public message board. You post something, and people are going to sometimes comment. Roy's no different than anyone else.

Again - ROY wrote that - and I responded. YOU jumped into the discussion, apparently unaware of what was being discussed and instead steered toward what you wanted it to be about. Not MY problem.

 

I was already posting about the Perlmutter/Marvel Entertainment camapaign when you proceeded to go after Roy. Read!

On 12/17/2023 at 6:02 AM, Prince Namor said:

I have no idea why you're continuing to post about this. I didn't 'go round' on anything.

You continued to dispute anything I was posting. Which what I was posting I was backing up with actual facts reported through interviews with Marvel Entertainment insiders. If you are going to continue following up with someone's posts with mockery and dismissal, you are going to get responses back. Self-inflicted wound for yourself.

[Bosco685]

Fact #1

On 12/14/2023 at 2:39 PM, Bosco685 said:

Even at that time Ike Perlmutter/Marvel Entertainment was pulling back on releasing action figures and statues associated with X-Men and Fantastic Four.

BLEEDING COOL (2015): Marvel Withdraws X-Men And Fantastic Four License From XM Studios, In Mid Sculpt

 

 

Fact #2

On 12/14/2023 at 12:33 PM, Bosco685 said:

And around that same time...

Disney Continues Cancelling X-Men & Fantastic Four Merchandise (2015)

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Marvel/Disney, under what is said to be a mandate by billionaire Perlmutter, has also cancelled planned Fantastic Four posters and removed Fox Studios-owned characters from t-shirts.

Now the latest is confirmed to be the cancellation of both X-Men and Fantastic Four statues from XM Studios, which were underway with sculptures already designed.

 

Fact #3 - though a petty action to mock actors in a movie you don't want made

On 12/14/2023 at 12:27 PM, Bosco685 said:

Appreciate the assumption the world is a straightforward and respectful place, where everyone follows the rules. Then you have a powerhouse like Disney that owns Marvel Entertainment, and the heavyhitter at that time. Meanwhile, Ike Perlmutter demanded Fantastic Four and X-Men comics make drastic changes. And even with the story in The Punisher Vol. 10 #12, they proceeded to insert the main cast into the story where they blow up. 

Marvel blows up new Fantastic Four film cast (2014)

And yes. This is real.

Fact #4

X-Men Comics Writer Blames Movie Rights Deals For The Downfall Of X-Men Comics (2016)

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In fact, word on the street has been that the relationship between Fox and Marvel is rather tense. In case you need any more evidence of that, X-Men comics writer Chris Claremont has given his take on how the recent downfall of X-Men comics is tied directly to movie rights ownership and plain old show business.

 

In an interview with Bleeding Cool (via Collider) about the state of X-Men comics, specifically their low sales, Chris Claremont offered up this bitter take on the topic:

 

"That has nothing to do with comic sales, that has everything to do with the fact that the film rights are controlled by a rival corporation."

 

Indeed, both in the Marvel cinematic universe (by way of Agents of SHIELD) and in the comics, Inhumans have become the new mutants. That's essentially because those characters can have similar powers and have a team element like the X-Men, but Marvel doesn't have to worry about benefiting Fox's movie franchise by giving them fresh stories to turn into movies. That's also why they're not really creating new characters in the X-Men universe anymore.

Fact #5

X-Men Writer Confirms Marvel Banned Big Stories to Spite Fox

 

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Comic book writer Jonathan Hickman, the man behind the latest X-Men relaunch in the comics, has confirmed Marvel stopped major X-Men stories being told because of Fox. The X-Men have long been considered one of Marvel's biggest franchises, but in the comics at least that seemed to change after 2010. Coming out of their latest near-genocide plot, Marvel's merry mutants increasingly felt sidelined by readers, and for a time even merchandise seemed to dry up.

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Readers began to believe the problem was an absurd one, with Marvel choosing not to promote the X-Men simply because a rival studio - Fox - owned the film rights. The idea seemed to be an odd one, because it made absolutely no business sense at all; Marvel really should have gone by the principle of "a rising tide raises all boats," taking advantage of Fox's movies to boost its own comics. But the evidence built up over the years, and was supported as revelations emerged of just how petty Marvel Entertainment's CEO Ike Perlmutter seems willing to be. The crisis in X-Men comics is long over now, of course; Disney purchased the film rights to the X-Men when it acquired the bulk of Fox's film and TV empire, while Perlmutter's influence has diminished radically due to his ill-advised conflict with Kevin Feige. Superstar comic book writer Jonathan Hickman headed up a popular relaunch of the X-Men comics in 2019, revolutionizing the entire range, and they're almost as big as they were during the '90s again.

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As Hickman departs following X-Men: Inferno, he conducted an end-of-run interview with the podcast Jay & Miles X-Plain the X-Men. In it, he explains he'd been a lifelong X-Men fan - they were the one book he followed throughout his childhood, drawn into their complexity and deep characterization. When he joined Marvel, he hoped to write the X-Men, and continually pitched for the chance to take over the franchise - but was regularly turned down. He actually left Marvel for a time, disappointed that he'd never written X-Men, but upon his return he realized things had changed. "The Fox deal had been done," he recalled in a matter-of-fact manner, "so we could do X-stuff again." This is the first real time there's been official confirmation that the Fox movies led to Marvel sidelining the X-Men - coming from the man who's been heading the entire line for two years, no less.

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Perlmutter began his career working in toy companies, and his focus was always upon trying to find opportunities to merchandize franchises. This was one major reason Marvel sold its film rights to different companies in the '90s in the first place, and it planned to synergize the release of Fox's first X-Men film with a number of action figures. Fox changed the release date late in the day, though, meaning Marvel lost that chance to create a synergy; according to film historian Ben Fritz, Perlmutter never forgot this, and indeed it was one major reason he decided to greenlight the idea of Marvel making its own movies. Marvel decided to focus on Iron Man after convening focus groups of children to ask which superhero action figures they'd be most interested in - and the rest is history. Unfortunately the emphasis on synergy appears to have worked against the X-Men line, in what feels like a shockingly petty approach to business.

[Prince Namor]

1. The FF movie failed because it SUCKED, not because there were no comics or statues.

2. That what Disney/Ike did wasn't 'Sabo-TAGE of biblical proportions' (as ROY wrote), but mostly common business sense to NOT give away IP to other companies.

It's plain and simple as that. Has been for the last couple of pages. 

You keep going back to what you THINK I was saying. It's comical at this point.

[Bosco685]

As was noted for many pages, Ike Perlmutter/Marvel Entertainment very much had any active campaign to disrupt the Fox Marvel properties. I don't think more than a few assumed this was actually effective. But it was real.

No "zippy" or fictitious insider discussions necessary to make that point.

[CGC Mike]

1 person has been banned from the movie forum for a month.  I trust there will be no more of these types of postings in this thread or there will be more banning's.  Let's take this discussion in a different direction.  I do not want to see quotes of clearly contentious posts.  Different direction...

[Dr. Love]

wow.  who didn't see THAT coming.  And what's with the all caps for EMPHASIS on the boards lately?  So ANNOYING

[VintageComics]

On 12/17/2023 at 6:09 AM, Bosco685 said:

I never said Perlmutter's campaign actually caused the Fantastic Four (2015) failure. Read!

 

On 12/17/2023 at 6:09 AM, Bosco685 said:

I never said "biblical proportions" - that was Roy's statement. But there was an extensive merchandising and comic book limitation/cancellation campaign that occurred at the direction of Perlmutter. Read!

It's really become a discussion over my use of the phrase "biblical proportions" and with Disney, the biggest juggernaut strategically stopping publication of relevant comics, cancelling toy lines, revoking merchandising, mocking the FF cast and manipulating the X-men comics, I think it's safe to say that it wasn't a multi-Million $ counter effort, it was a multi-Billion $ counter effort.

I also think that because Biblical and Billion both start with B that my point stands.

[Bosco685]

 

[Silver Surfer]

Dr. Doom? 

[Bosco685]

On 12/19/2023 at 9:09 PM, Silver Surfer said:

Dr. Doom? 

That's what I'm thinking. Or at least Mister Sinister.

[Silver Surfer]

That a good choice too. Molecule Man for Secret Wars?

[TupennyConan]

Disney needs an anchor, overall-franchise leading man to replace RDJ & Stark. They need Richards to be Stark more than they need DOOM to be THANOS. 

Ryan Gosling is the top male lead of 2023. 

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by TupennyConan
gosling

[Bosco685]

On 12/20/2023 at 5:51 AM, TupennyConan said:

Disney needs an anchor, overall-franchise leading man to replace RDJ & Stark. They need Richards to be Stark more than they need DOOM to be THANOS. 

Ryan Gosling is the top male lead of 2023. 

Have to agree. He is one of the hot tickets right now in Hollywood.

I don't know how I missed this one. But recently a friend gave me the blu-ray for DRIVE starring Ryan Gosling. Demonstrates how dark and dirty he can get with his characters, which would be interesting in a comic book role. Along with Albert Brooks, who went hardcore swarmy in this performance.

Which is a big difference from his Ken role, demonstrating his acting range.

 

[godzilla43]

No, I don't think he will sell any tickets. Like yes 2011 after Drive or 2016 after La La Land but in 2023 I dunno.

[VintageComics]

On 12/20/2023 at 6:32 AM, Bosco685 said:

I don't know how I missed this one. But recently a friend gave me the blu-ray for DRIVE starring Ryan Gosling. Demonstrates how dark and dirty he can get with his characters, which would be interesting in a comic book role. Along with Albert Brooks, who went hardcore swarmy in this performance.

Which is a big difference from his Ken role, demonstrating his acting range.

 

I saw Drive in theatres when it came out and it was incredible. I've rewatched it more than once. 

I agree, his range as an actor is really amazing. 

My favorite Gosling movie is The Nice Guys. I can watch that over and over. He's absolutely HILARIOUS in that movie. 

And this is coming from someone who couldn't stand watching him when he was younger. For some reason I just couldn't get into him early on, but he's really developed into a great actor. 

I agree with Tups, the MCU needs an anchor or a linchpin for it's universe and it's floating aimlessly right now. 

Edited December 21, 2023 by VintageComics

[media_junkie]

On 12/20/2023 at 7:49 PM, VintageComics said:

I agree with Tups, the MCU needs an anchor or a linchpin for it's universe and it's floating aimlessly right now. 

But guys, I was assured by Feige and a former poster here that Captain Marvel was the anchor and the MCU would fly further, higher, faster than it ever did with RDJ/Iron man.  What gives???

[Bosco685]

On 12/22/2023 at 5:15 PM, media_junkie said:

But guys, I was assured by Feige and a former poster here that Captain Marvel was the anchor and the MCU would fly further, higher, faster than it ever did with RDJ/Iron man.  What gives???

[Ken Aldred]

On 12/20/2023 at 3:13 AM, Silver Surfer said:

That a good choice too. Molecule Man for Secret Wars?

I’ve always wanted to see him make an appearance with the FF. One of my all-time favourite characters.

A vital character for anything involving Secret Wars. I’d like to see Hickman’s interpretation, but most likely there’ll be a simplistic, cheapened version, as was done for Civil War’s transformation into the more budget-priced Minor Civil Altercation At An Airport.

Edited December 22, 2023 by Ken Aldred

[Straw-Man]

gosling in the "what if" ending of la la land.  wow.  kills me every time.

[Bosco685]