SUPERMAN #1 7.0 Blue THIRD highest graded copy coming to auction at CC 4 4

[rob_react]

On 10/27/2021 at 2:05 AM, lou_fine said:

Doesn't CGC have something like a pre-screen service for a minimum condition grade level which you can specify (in this particular case, you would specify a minimum grade of CGC 8.5) which would then substantially reduce your risk here?    

 

On 10/27/2021 at 6:07 AM, chrisco37 said:

I guess you could do that, but to prescreen it, you’ll have to deslab it.  
You also have to have a minimum number of books (25?) for prescreen.  
I guess you send in a bunch of beaters with it.  If it upgrades great, you’re Golden.  If not, you haven’t shelled out a bunch of money in slabbing costs, but you don’t have graded Supes 1 anymore.

CCS will screen individual books.

Screening

(Not available for Modern tier)

(Not available for Modern Tier.) CCS evaluates collectible for Pressing candidacy; if suitable, collectible proceeds to Pressing.

Unlimited

 

1% of Fair Market Value ($15 min)

 

Tier + 30 days

[Mmehdy]

On 10/27/2021 at 6:37 AM, rob_react said:

 

CCS will screen individual books.

Screening

(Not available for Modern tier)

(Not available for Modern Tier.) CCS evaluates collectible for Pressing candidacy; if suitable, collectible proceeds to Pressing.

Unlimited

 

1% of Fair Market Value ($15 min)

 

Tier + 30 days

amazing, you have only 1% to lose with a great potential for a significant value upswing....

[jimbo_7071]

On 10/18/2021 at 7:33 PM, batman_fan said:

I am going to take the over.

People are underestimating how much inflation has occurred in the past 18 months. I'm going to predict that it will reach $1.5 million easily because $1.5 million in December 2021 dollars is probably less that $1 million in December 2019 dollars. I think it'll be a while before we can gauge inflation with some perspective.

Edited November 7, 2021 by jimbo_7071

[Mmehdy]

Looks like Dec 16 for the superman #1, December 14 for the 3.0 Action 1, but most interesting is the new  addition of Whiz 2 (1)  with a 6.0 grade blue label...WOW...that is very rare also.....what a way to end the year for  CC.

Edited November 9, 2021 by Mmehdy

[batman_fan]

For reference

[BabyAteMyDingo]

On 10/19/2021 at 10:53 PM, N e r V said:

FYI, I’m burying all my keys in the jungle and providing a public map to the boards here (they’ll be buried under a big W).

Lets see how many of you can survive the journey thru cannibals, leeches, crocs, shark infested waters, quick sand, head hunters, lions, tigers and bears…

I might even throw in a few special traps just to make it interesting…lol

Lets see how YOU can survive the journey thru cannibals, leeches, crocs, shark infested waters, quick sand, head hunters, lions, tigers and bears to bury the things in the first place. LOL!

I might suggest burying them in frozen tundra. Better chance of preserving the funny books. The deserts preserve. The jungles digest.

[BabyAteMyDingo]

On 11/9/2021 at 5:56 PM, batman_fan said:

For reference

Oh that is a beauty. Surely much more rare than Superman 1. I almost never see these come to market.

[Ltpink2002]

On 11/9/2021 at 4:56 PM, batman_fan said:

For reference

Reprint 

[Ltpink2002]

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[AJD]

On 11/8/2021 at 2:26 AM, jimbo_7071 said:

People are underestimating how much inflation has occurred in the past 18 months. I'm going to predict that it will reach $1.5 million easily because $1.5 million in December 2021 dollars is probably less that $1 million in December 2019 dollars. I think it'll be a while before we can gauge inflation with some perspective.

>50% inflation in 2 years?? Yeah, nah.

[jimbo_7071]

On 11/9/2021 at 10:03 PM, AJD said:

>50% inflation in 2 years?? Yeah, nah.

My pay has increased 40% since COVID started. That's with no promotion of any kind—that's how much my employer has raised pay in order to retain people. House prices around here are up at least 40% since COVID started, too.

[AJD]

On 11/10/2021 at 2:08 PM, jimbo_7071 said:

My pay has increased 40% since COVID started. That's with no promotion of any kind—that's how much my employer has raised pay in order to retain people. House prices around here are up at least 40% since COVID started, too.

Sure, there are many places you can see steep rises (like comic book prices), and the annualised CPI increase in the US is over 5%, which was unthinkable pre-covid. But it remains to be seen how much of that is supply-chain disruption driven and how much is structural. And it's still a long way short of 25%/yr.

[Spyder!]

On 11/9/2021 at 9:03 PM, AJD said:

>50% inflation in 2 years?? Yeah, nah.

 

On 11/9/2021 at 9:08 PM, jimbo_7071 said:

My pay has increased 40% since COVID started. That's with no promotion of any kind—that's how much my employer has raised pay in order to retain people. House prices around here are up at least 40% since COVID started, too.

CPI is almost certainly underestimating inflation, but it's definitely no where near 50% in 2 years.  You can't cherry pick wages in one industry, or housing prices in some markets and call that inflation.

[Mmehdy]

On 11/9/2021 at 4:58 PM, Ltpink2002 said:

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any idea/ guesses about what price this will bring?.......record price for the title? One  of my favorite GA origin stories....

Edited November 10, 2021 by Mmehdy

[batman_fan]

On 11/10/2021 at 11:34 AM, Mmehdy said:

any idea/ guesses about what price this will bring?.......record price for the title? One  of my favorite GA origin stories....

I will swag $137k. That number is a WAG

[pemart1966]

On 11/9/2021 at 7:58 PM, Ltpink2002 said:

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Now why would ANYONE do that????  That's ridiculous...

[Dark Knight]

Here's the actual book.  They really brightened the images up.

 

[pemart1966]

On 11/10/2021 at 1:34 PM, Mmehdy said:

any idea/ guesses about what price this will bring?.......record price for the title? One  of my favorite GA origin stories....

OK...I'm going to ask questions about this book (Whiz #1) that have been bugging me for decades.

What is it about this book that causes it to be held in such high regard?; that therefore causes it to be on just about every GA "Top Ten" list?; that therefore causes it to fetch 6 figures (possible record for this copy?) regularly?  I don't understand it.

This character, for all intents and purposes has been "dead" for nearly 70 years now as has his extended universe.  Yes, there was a brief 70s revival and the recent film but neither was sufficient to justify what we've seen with this book for decades now.

It was deemed to be essentially a Superman ripoff in court in its heyday.

Yes, it was a HUGE seller in the 40s but suffice to say, there aren't many boardies that can boast to having bought ANY of the Captain Marvel family of books off of the rack.

I understand the numbers and popularity for most of the other big books:  Action 1; Marvel Comics 1; Detective 27 etc but Whiz #1 baffles me.  I just can't see what drives the HUGE interest for this book.  Anyone?

Edited November 12, 2021 by pemart1966

[Cat-Man_America]

I'll try to respond, even though not a Fawcett collector.  Back in the day ...and yes, I'm talking about early fandom... Captain Marvel was recorded by many collectors as the most fun GA comic.  The art wasn't spectacular (C C Beck believed in simplicity), but the character had a unique origin and kids could identify directly with the character, since Capt. Marvel is basically just Billy Batson in a super body and created through magic.  The truth is that Captain Marvel was much more successful than DC's Superman in the 1940's and as far as imitation goes there was really very little, but ...and this is a huge BUT... that cover was a major unforced rookie error.  DC's lawyers could point to the cover of Captain Marvel smashing a car and call it a direct rip-off and then draw other conclusions about how the character was created.  If Fawcett had gone with a different cover (like those on the Ashcan copies) ...and this is merely my speculation... history might've been entirely different.  

There were other superheroes that ...to my knowledge... DC didn't sue after going after Victor Fox's Wonder Comics for imitation.  For instance, MLJ's Pep Comics featuring The Shield, from January 1940, which is earlier cover dated than Fawcett's Whiz (Feb.), but Fawcett's cover was apparently a car too far (pun intended).  

I agree that today the character is a pale reflection of the original (even ownership of the name is at contest between two rival publishers), but Captain Marvel did have the first movie version (the Republic serial) and that was far better than expected which probably annoyed DC management and their attorneys fueling lengthy litigation.  Today, the best I can say about Captain Marvel is that ...ironically... the best series for collectors is Capt. Marvel Jr. because of Mac Raboy's art and more sophisticated story content.  OTOH, Captain Marvel was always aimed at younger readers, but the stories were clever, with Billy Batson's naivety and innocence carrying over to his adult counterpart.  To better understand why the GA Captain Marvel is still respected in the collecting community, the census numbers and rarity in grade is partly the reason Whiz #2 (#1) still holds it's value with collectors as one of the top key desirable books, and the story of how Fawcett held it's own against DC in court until the mid-1950's is proof of Captain Marvel's success.  

 

 

  

Edited November 12, 2021 by Cat-Man_America
tightening; added comments

[Mmehdy]

From an early GA collectors standpoint, I would say 1972...73 Irving Bigman, who was a very famous GA comic book dealer would bring his Action 1 and Whiz 2 with him to conventions. Early on, Whiz 2 was neck and neck with Action #1, with the overall numbers and I asked him after going up to his room and him letting be flow thru A1, Whiz #2 they did not mind it,  which is better, his answer I never forget his answer, no one is better but Whiz 2 is rarer. I consider the origin story of Whiz #2 one of the greatest if not second greatest stories and art in the GA period. That was so good in my opinion, everything that came after that was not on that level. If you have not read or looked at this story for a long time, check it out on the web....

 In answering your question, I consider Whiz #2 the most underpriced GA comic book today. It never caught up, the rarity factor helped keep the price down, because of the less sales of the book vs A1 or D27. Dont get be wrong, I still am a champ for Cap #1 as the best GA buy out there in the long run, as the difference between 1938...1939 and 1941 in terms of years difference fades away Cap #1 and the year 1941 stigma vs Marvel 1939 etc.

The cover and origin story for Whiz #2 is just fantastic, and that is why collectors, especially older collectors respect this book, its the man that beat superman at the newsstands and over time, will reclaim the proper value and recognition it deserves.

Edited November 12, 2021 by Mmehdy