Promise Whiz #2 has the wrong back cover 7 7

[JollyComics]

Probably Dylan will take this book.

Edited December 13, 2021 by JollyComics

[LDarkseid1]

I called Heritage to let them know might be best to pull it and resend to CGC. That should be corrected before it goes up for sale.

[zosocane]

On 12/13/2021 at 10:49 AM, szav said:

If this is the original owners copy what incentive did a kid that age have to marry the wrong back cover to a book like that?

I thought the same, but my thinking is that the kid purchased it from a used book store in the mid- to late-40s.  I don't think it was his OO copy which he Frankensteined.  I'll believe that he saw that copy in a used book store, his eyes popped open with excitement, and he purchased it.  That would have been, I think, a tough copy to find in any condition during that time period in the geographic area he lived.

[zosocane]

That said, now I'm wondering whether the front cover is married.  

Edited December 13, 2021 by zosocane

[LDarkseid1]

On 12/13/2021 at 11:58 AM, zosocane said:

That said, now I'm wondering whether the front cover is married.  

MARIO CRISTOBAL BABY!!!!

[catman76]

Heck, maybe the insides aren't even a Whiz #2. No way to know with it sealed up.

[lhcomics]

I think this is the correct back cover and the other 57 graded by CGC have the wrong back covers. This comic will sell for a fortune.

Edited December 13, 2021 by lhcomics

[jimbo_7071]

On 12/13/2021 at 2:20 PM, zosocane said:

Wrong back cover?

I never realized that Martin Short had done a Jim Halperin impersonation. He nailed it.

Edited December 15, 2021 by jimbo_7071

[CGC Mike]

Thank you for making us aware of this. Heritage will be sending the book back to us to correct.

[path4play]

On 12/12/2021 at 10:44 PM, catman76 said:

Don't they usually point out such things? Kind of a big thing to overlook...

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/whiz-comics-2-1-the-promise-collection-pedigree-fawcett-publications-1940-cgc-fr-10-cream-to-off-white-pages/p/7266-12203.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#

 

 

[skypinkblu]

CGC Pedigree Status Criteria

The collection must be original owner.
This means that the books must have been bought off the newsstand as they came out. For example, a collector cannot buy a high-grade run of 1940s comics from various sources and expect it to be considered a pedigree. The original owner need not currently own the comics for the collection to be considered for pedigree status.

The collection must be of vintage material.
This means that a large collection consisting of comics from the 1970s to present cannot be considered a pedigree. In fact, until the sale of some key White Mountain books in a Sotheby’s auction in the early 1990s, Silver Age comics were not accepted as pedigree collections. Comic books from 1966 and after are relatively common in high grade compared to earlier issues. This occurred as a direct result of a tremendous explosion in the number of collectors in fandom in the mid-1960s. Collections that are primarily from 1966 and after must have average grades of at least 9.4 to be considered a pedigree.

The collection must consist of a considerable number of comics.
Most pedigree collections consist of at least 1,000 books and some number over 10,000 comics. The collections that consist of fewer books, such as the Allentown and Denver collections, must include extremely rare, important, and/or key material.

The collection must be high-grade.
Comics from the Silver Age in general would have to be 9.2 and higher, and a collection of exclusive Silver Age material must have an average grade of 9.4. Golden Age comics would have to be high-grade as well. For example, the Lost Valley collection consisted of many golden age books from before 1941 that were technically mid-grade, but were almost across the board the highest graded copy for that book. Page quality must be nice as well.

 

[LDarkseid1]

On 12/13/2021 at 5:01 PM, CGC Mike said:

Thank you for making us aware of this. Heritage will be sending the book back to us to correct.

Crisis averted . And so the universe is now, oh well I'll just let a good friend of mine say it,

 

 

[comicjack]

On 12/14/2021 at 6:58 PM, szav said:

At this stage of the game would a used book store even be carrying a shredded copy of a Whiz #2?  Was there even a market for used comics yet?  Would an original owner (still a young kid) buying everything else fresh off the stands even have need to search for a back issue, or were the back issues even well documented enough that a kid would have known it was the first appearance or an important issue?

For us older guys we did things like that just picked issues that caught the eye.I think he didn't even know what he had and no reference back then either 

[Larryw7]

Thanks for reopening this thread, Mike.

[lou_fine]

On 12/12/2021 at 7:44 PM, catman76 said:

Don't they usually point out such things? Kind of a big thing to overlook...

 

On 12/12/2021 at 8:01 PM, Crowzilla said:

Maybe that's why it's a sample copy

Well, I clicked onto the link and it does state that it is only an Auction Preview.  

And as such, it goes on to clearly state that the "item many not have yet been properly described or vetted" and "they are continuing to add and correct information as they approach the auction posting date."  

Glad to see that CGC has stepped in and taken the book back to ensure that the label and infomation therein is proper and correct. 

[Transplant]

On 12/14/2021 at 6:22 PM, Larryw7 said:

Thanks for reopening this thread, Mike.

I'll ask again.  @CGC Mike  Why was it closed to begin with?  

[catman76]

On 12/14/2021 at 11:34 PM, lou_fine said:

 

Well, I clicked onto the link and it does state that it is only an Auction Preview.  

And as such, it goes on to clearly state that the "item many not have yet been properly described or vetted" and "they are continuing to add and correct information as they approach the auction posting date."  

Yeah so? All their auction previews always say that and always have. Has nothing to do with cgc making a huge mistake like that.

It all makes me not trust cgc even more. Why I do not understand people that buy slabs and then keep them sealed up and never see what the comic looks like inside. I could never own something that I never have seen what the most important part of the comic looks like. If they miss huge things like a wrong back cover, what could they have missed on the insides before? Especially these promise comics that seem to be all a mess grading wise and now them not even noticing a wrong back cover on one.

[CGC Mike]

On 12/17/2021 at 2:11 PM, Transplant said:

On 12/14/2021 at 7:22 PM, Larryw7 said:

Thanks for reopening this thread, Mike.

I'll ask again.  @CGC Mike  Why was it closed to begin with?  

Seems it is open now, I am not sure it matters why it was locked.  

[The Lions Den]

On 12/17/2021 at 6:23 PM, catman76 said:

Yeah so? All their auction previews always say that and always have. Has nothing to do with cgc making a huge mistake like that.

It all makes me not trust cgc even more. Why I do not understand people that buy slabs and then keep them sealed up and never see what the comic looks like inside. I could never own something that I never have seen what the most important part of the comic looks like. If they miss huge things like a wrong back cover, what could they have missed on the insides before? Especially these promise comics that seem to be all a mess grading wise and now them not even noticing a wrong back cover on one.

One of the things that used to be standard procedure at CGC was to double check the authenticity of books that had detached covers or completely split spines, especially if extensive tape repair or restoration were involved. There've been numerous examples of this over the years, and most of the time CGC catches it the first time around. Unfortunately, this time they missed it...  

[jimbo_7071]

On 12/17/2021 at 8:28 PM, CGC Mike said:

Seems it is open now, I am not sure it matters why it was locked.  

It matters because closing it seems like an underhanded move that may have been the beginning of a cover-up—until CGC realized that a cover-up couldn't be pulled off.

The reason for the closure of the thread is of massive import in terms of assessing CGC's integrity under it's new ownership—which is a concern to many board members, especially in light of what many feel has been the shockingly lax grading of the books in the Promise Collection.

Complete forthrightness about why the thread was closed would help allay the fears of those board members who have misgivings about the direction in which things have been headed lately.

Edited December 19, 2021 by jimbo_7071