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C2E2 Variant Drama
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On 8/8/2022 at 7:13 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

Although in reality CGC already has done this in the past with those preview inserts that have been removed from books and graded as if they were separate books. 

I don't recall if this was ever officially addressed.

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On 8/8/2022 at 3:24 PM, Iceman399 said:

Since our first variant sold out almost instantly to Greggy.  We are launching our second one!  This time we've taken a sheet of printer paper and attached it to an old book found in the dollar bins.  But wait here's where it gets fun...the number of staples added AFTER manufacturing will vary!  Did you get 1 or 9 extra staples.  Collect them all!

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Could you sell them as an exclusive  at the Toronto Comic Con?  I can't wait to fly East to line-up for these.  Hope greggy isn't there ahead of me....

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On 8/8/2022 at 7:37 PM, Atomic Ponkie said:

Does this mean they could be taken to court by Marvel? 

No. The Black Flag guy said they made sure not to include anything copyrighted. 

He bought the books last year. They were his to do what he wanted with. 

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On 8/8/2022 at 5:29 PM, FFB said:

As someone who has been a member here since before the Wizard First controversy way way back more than 15 years ago, it makes me chuckle how bad you guys STILL are at PR.  

Yes, I know that this will blow over as soon as the next shiny object floats by (or enough time passes) and it's not going to impact CGC's bottom line.  But that isn't the point.  The lack of transparency here is exacerbated by your one sentence response.  Why even respond at all if you're going to respond like this?  It just makes you guys look arrogant and condescending at the same time.  

Do I care if a bunch of knuckleheads wait in line to buy a facsimile edition UF4 with an aftermarket plastic cover stapled on for $75 or whatever?  Absolutely not.  I've spent a lot more than that on things that were far more worthless in the short run, let alone the long run.  (Every visit I made to a strip club during my 20s stands out as a far worse financial decision at the moment.) 

But I do care about CGC's integrity, as do most other people who frequent these boards, as well as the thousands of collectors who aren't forum members.  Like it or not, you guys are the industry leader in certification, and you certified a facsimile edition with an added-on cover with extra staples. 

If you guys are going to do questionable things, you really owe it to your customers to give a better explanation of your thinking on the issue.  Like I said, it may not impact your bottom line today or even tomorrow, but little things like this add up over time and they aren't good for your company's brand.  The least you can do is provide some kind of a rational explanation for why a married cover is getting a blue label.  It's obvious that you "stand by it," because the book is in your slab.  It's the "Here's why it's OK" that is missing from your response.  

Quoted because this can't be repeated enough.

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On 8/8/2022 at 6:43 PM, Sigur Ros said:

No. The Black Flag guy said they made sure not to include anything copyrighted. 

He bought the books last year. They were his to do what he wanted with. 

Marvel isn't going to sign off on someone altering books and then using their name and characters to push a message or make a statement. Marvel is not going to be happy that someone attached an acetate with the words "in god we trust" to their book and is selling it at a very large convention. That is an entirely different animal than simply approving commissioned artwork to be used for a retailer/convention variant. 

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On 8/8/2022 at 7:43 PM, Sigur Ros said:

No. The Black Flag guy said they made sure not to include anything copyrighted. 

He bought the books last year. They were his to do what he wanted with. 

Not entirely how that works. You can't buy a comic, draw whatever you want, and sell it as an exclusive without approval from Marvel. They were ok'd to make the original but changing anything and trying to sell it as something new at a markup isn't going to fly.

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On 8/8/2022 at 6:47 PM, darkstar said:

Marvel isn't going to sign off on someone altering books and then using their name and characters to push a message or make a statement. Marvel is not going to be happy that someone attached an acetate with the words "in god we trust" to their book and is selling it at a very large convention. That is an entirely different animal than simply approving commissioned artwork to be used for a retailer/convention variant. 

They even screwed that up..it says "In God We Intrust"

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On 8/8/2022 at 7:36 PM, FFB said:

I want to make dingdong variants, where I make clear acetate overlays where I add dingdongs to classic covers.  

 

On 8/8/2022 at 7:36 PM, FFB said:

I want to make dingdong variants, where I make clear acetate overlays where I add dingdongs to classic covers.  

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On 8/8/2022 at 3:11 AM, godzilla43 said:

Nice video. Nothing wrong with this "variant" and nothing wrong with influencers, shops.. buying huge stacks of these. Everyone is just a hater :D:D

Funny thou like mentioned here this all started from one exhibitor being mad that he did not get one even thou he was in the line before even VIP access opened. Does anybody care for the normal attendees?!? What is the point of buying VIP tickets to these conventions?!? Maybe there is some additional benefits but getting those low print exclusives definitely ain't one of those.

I was thinking the same thing. Sadly there’s only one decent show in my area—Little Giant Show—and they charge extra for early admission, and even then I hear multiple  dealers gloating about what they scooped up before the doors opened.

I don’t care about variants, but if an exclusive is advertised, then it should be available to those who paid to attend rather than the dealers and influence-flippers.

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On 8/8/2022 at 6:47 PM, darkstar said:

No. The Black Flag guy said they made sure not to include anything copyrighted. 

He bought the books last year. They were his to do what he wanted with. 

I don't think this Black Flag guy agrees with that Black Flag guy.

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