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C2E2 Variant Drama
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troydivision1

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On 8/9/2022 at 6:05 PM, Red84 said:

Cease and desist probably incoming. I would think Marvel would want to stop the releases that haven't occurred yet. May demand that Black Flag donate all profits. Marvel of course has to weigh their legal rights against public relations.

See the clickbait headline now -
"Disney is now anti: small business, God, and the USA"

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Dark Knight

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On 8/9/2022 at 4:38 PM, Lazyboy said:

Instead, maybe you should notify the people in power at CGC. Maybe they could learn something.

I did that as a joke since we can't talk about the competition in here. But ya like everyone else, I hope this gets resolved soon. This is not a good look for CGC. 

I'm sure the people in higher power are aware. The question is, do they care at all? 

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On 8/9/2022 at 6:43 PM, Dark Knight said:

I did that as a joke since we can't talk about the competition in here. But ya like everyone else, I hope this gets resolved soon. This is not a good look for CGC. 

I'm sure the people in higher power are aware. The question is, do they care at all? 

I was joking as well. I know they won't learn anything. :wink:

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On 8/9/2022 at 5:58 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

True, but they did note "Today, Bleeding Cool has been able to confirm that Marvel Comics did not approve Black Flag's addition of an acetate cover as a further variant, and it is also not something they would permit."

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On 8/9/2022 at 11:07 AM, CGC Mike said:

Here is the official response from CGC regarding how we graded the books.

 

We apologize for the short response yesterday and wanted to follow up with an explanation of our thought process behind the grade assignments. We treated them as we would any other variant cover that's attached with an extra set of staples after the book was printed, and at times these books included the original cover as well.

 

There is a precedent for acetate covers being attached to a printed book, and then graded by CGC. An example is Stray Dogs #1 from last year. An acetate variant cover was attached with an extra set of staples, to which CGC assigned a Universal grade and a notation of “acetate cover” on the label. The extra set of staples were part of the manufacturing process of attaching the acetate cover, and not considered a defect.

 

I would respect this if not for the fact that this acetate cover wasn't sanctioned by Marvel, i.e. it's a bootleg. And there are bootlegs of far higher quality (and even some with comparable "print" runs) that categorically get a green label because they're hack jobs. So no, you didn't treat this as you would any other variant, you treated it as you would any other official variant, and that's what's at issue. The Stray Dogs #1 acetate variant was done by Image, not some random dingbat goofballs. If I, as a comic book retailer no different in nature from Black Flag, decided to slap custom covers I came up with and printed at Sir Speedy onto a stack of Marvel comics without Marvel's knowledge, let alone their sanction, would those comics get a blue label from CGC? If so, then this is a huge change in policy for bootlegs, but either way, this isn't following precedent. It was an honest mistake, perhaps. But not in line with precedent. Anything added post-manufacturing by an entity that isn't the manufacturer/publisher is a hacked item. You can choose to not consider it a "defect," but if so, then it should be graded with qualification, as it is, by definition, a post-manufacture modification. "Manufacturing" need not be strictly defined as mechanical printing and binding; an extra cover manually attached, be it an acetate cover or paper cover or goat skin, or a rubber stamp, or a sticker, or handwritten scribbles or whatever else could theoretically be considered part of the "manufacturing process" if it's done/sanctioned by the publisher (or explicitly encouraged, as is the case with FCBD books with a huge area for retailer stamps), but no way if it's done by an unsanctioned third party. Because that could literally be anyone, doing anything.

I hate that I'm writing so much about such an ugly book, but whatever.

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On 8/9/2022 at 5:45 PM, valiantman said:

CGC should just respond to CBCS with "CGC considers books with extensive restoration worthy of a PURPLE label and has not discontinued the PURPLE label to pretend that everything is BLUE, unlike some other companies."

Now do the SS program....

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