Popular Post Iceman399 Posted August 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) Well it saddens me that @CGC Mike has informed us that CGC has changed their stance on married covers. I am not throwing Mike under the bus as he is just the messenger and has been a great help to the forums. What we know: You can staple a new cover to an old book and get a blue label with no annotations of extra staples. It was done by the "artist" on an acetate cover What we don't know: Can I do my own stapling? (as I would be the manufacturer) Do I have to have a 'print run'? (Can we do 1 of 1's)? How old of a book can I add a cover too? (This book was printed in 2021 and cover added in 2022) Does it have to be a con exclusive? Does it have to be an acetate cover? How much does it cost to get a 9.9 or 10.0? How will the label read? If I put an acetate cover on a Batman 1 from 1940 and the grade is a 9.8. Should I expect the label to read Batman 1 Iceman399 Variant CGC 9.8 1940 How many extra staples are acceptable? Can the cover from one book be added to the same book that is coverless with additional staples and still get a Blue label? Will CGC be able to differentiate between a coverless acetate and a regular copy with extra staple holes? How will these be graded? Does this mean that next year we can then put a foil cover over top of the acetate over top of the stock cover? CGC says that this was allowed because of a previous book "Stray Dogs" that had a acetate cover and extra staples. This came from diamond like that. This was not old stock that was unsold and then repurposed. That argument is garbage. I'll add more to this post as answers become clear, and if anyone else has any other questions they'd like asked feel free to post so that we can seek all the answers on this monumental change in comic grading. I hope we can get some real answers as I am working on a 1 of 1 acetate cover and I can't wait for CGC to put it in a nice shiny blue label holder. Edited August 12, 2022 by Iceman399 JJ-4, deadleg, jcjames and 17 others 16 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Pontoon Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 IBTL! deadleg and toro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman399 Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share Posted August 9, 2022 I hope it doesn't get locked. I'm genuinely interested in what their new policy is. It's hectic in the other thread as there are other issues surrounding the book that started this (Marvel infringement, 10.0/9.9 grades etc). So want to see exactly what CGC stance is on the above so that everyone is playing on a level playing field. Funnybooks and Krismusic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Domo Arigato Posted August 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2022 I once made a joke in here about CGC doing something I thought was so far beyond stupid.....that they would never actually do it. It was about people taking those "Master of the Universe" and "New Teen Titans" inserts out of the middle of comic books (like DC Presents #26)......and sending just the insert to CGC to be graded. It was just a sarcastic joke on my part. But as someone pointed out to me soon afterwards.....I wasn't being funny.....I was just being wrong. It was at that point I realized CGC doesn't care about this hobby.....or the integrity of the job they're doing. I believe they once did years ago, and I used to defend them vigorously. Now, you can literally yank part of the inner guts out of a comic book.....send it in with no cover on it.....and get a high grade, blue label CGC slab returned to you. So, nothing they do surprises me any more. Flanders82, djzombi, Gaard and 8 others 7 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post valiantman Posted August 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2022 A married cover implies that both the book and the cover are from different copies of the same printing. It's a frankenstein book, but made up of original parts. An acetate cover printed and added a year later isn't a married cover, because it isn't a cover that came from the same printing. It's worse. Much worse. It's a piece of fresh plastic wrap placed over a year old sandwich. A year old sandwich isn't improved by fresh plastic wrap, unless you're trying to trick buyers into overpaying for last year's leftovers. Mike's Rack, toro, I like pie and 20 others 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadleg Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) On 8/9/2022 at 5:59 PM, Domo Arigato said: I once made a joke in here about CGC doing something I thought was so far beyond stupid.....that they would never actually do it. It was about people taking those "Master of the Universe" and "New Teen Titans" inserts out of the middle of comic books (like DC Presents #26)......and sending just the insert to CGC to be graded. It was just a sarcastic joke on my part. But as someone pointed out to me soon afterwards.....I wasn't being funny.....I was just being wrong. It was at that point I realized CGC doesn't care about this hobby.....or the integrity of the job they're doing. I believe they once did years ago, and I used to defend them vigorously. Now, you can literally yank part of the inner guts out of a comic book.....send it in with no cover on it.....and get a high grade, blue label CGC slab returned to you. So, nothing they do surprises me any more. Wait so they grade that, but this gets a NG? Edited August 9, 2022 by deadleg AGGIEZ, MetalPSI and jsilverjanet 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 On 8/9/2022 at 6:05 PM, deadleg said: Wait so they grade that, but this gets a NG? Even worse, it got a "PG" You should have used the new CGC Pay-By-GradeTM submission form like Black Flag. -bc cyclonus11, JJ-4, deadleg and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I have a feeling and I'm not hooked on it @valiantman Is it possible? is it possible that submitters aren't finding the book they're looking for populating when filling out submission forms? and they're just using the " submit 'new' comic' functions" and it is slipping by QC? @CGC Mike this might be a double check question so I'll post in QC thread too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 thank you @Iceman399 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 @mnelsonCGC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 and who cares about the the grade of the original book, as long as the acetaint looks sweet you can get a 9.9 or even a 10.0! Unless the 9.9s were 10.0s in original form and adding the acetaint knocked them down a little. The current 10.0s must have been 11.0s. jyoders19 and Miket123 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 this is a good reference for anyone that doesn't want to read the 40+ pages of the c2e2 thread https://bleedingcool.com/comics/marvel-did-not-approve-ultimate-fallout-4-acetate-covers-at-c2e2/ Readcomix, Krismusic, SpideyFein and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post valiantman Posted August 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2022 (because this will be buried on one of the pages of the other topic, here it is again...) onlyweaknesskryptonite, the authority, The Lions Den and 11 others 2 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoders19 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 This really is ridiculous. There's NO WAY this thing should have ever qualified for a blue label. It's like a custom toy that they paint a few of at a show as a giveaway. Leaving aside the fact that they were giving shortboxes of these away to influencers, CGC gave out 9.9s and at least one 10 at the show for a comic with four staples! Before, that got you knocked down to at least 7.0. CGC needs to invalidate these grades, period. P.S. Please don't zwissler my post, admins/mods. This is SUPPOSED to be where we're allowed to talk about this travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bird Posted August 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) I am going to copyright the word acetaint...the place on a manufactured collectible between the inner well and the true comic, that is the acetaint I kill myself I'm here all week people!!! Edited August 9, 2022 by Bird Stevemmg, Beastfeast, jyoders19 and 7 others 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpinkpanther67 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) “P.S. Please don't zwissler my post, admins/mods.” Edited August 9, 2022 by djpinkpanther67 jyoders19 and Crops068 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoders19 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 On 8/9/2022 at 6:27 PM, Aqua Lantern said: This was not done via CGC on-site grading. I'm looking at a picture, dude. This is a screenshot from a youtube video and, I'm not sure exactly how it happened or how these got graded but people were showing off this 9.9. I was at the show. I saw this myself. The only reason I'm using the youtube screenshot is because I didn't think I'd ever need evidence of what they were clearly using as marketing at their booth. aardvark88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcjames Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 So, according to CGC, adding two staples and a new cover to a book is not damaging the book because that's part of the "variant" production process. Ok... so adding two staples and HALF of a new cover to a book is also not damaging the book because that's part of that particular "variant's" production process. And so then.... adding two staples and a QUARTER of a new cover to a book is not damaging the book because that's part of that particular "variant's" production process. And so then.... adding two staples and NO new cover to a book is not damaging the book because that's part of that particular "variant's" production process. And so then adding two staples and tearing half the original cover off a book is not damaging the book because that's part of THAT particular "variant's" production process. In that case, ANY damage done to a book can be argued to be part of that unique "variant's" production process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
