Grant Turner Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) I think, with a big Heritage auction on the immediate horizon, people were more inclined to hold back and gamble later than pay these aspirational prices today. Had prices been lower and had the event had more space between it and next weekend, maybe people would’ve been more engaged. I bought a Ditko Daredevil 235 page last event, but it was aggressively priced to sell and I couldn’t pass it up. I saw no deals of that ilk this time around Edited November 14, 2022 by Grant Turner davidtere, Michael Browning and Twanj 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Foolkiller Posted November 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2022 I think it’s an over reaction to feel like any price is in and of itself offensive or obnoxious. Certainly someone can say it’s way too high or aggressive or whatever but how someone can call it out as some sort of character issue seems to me to be inaccurate. I don’t think the asm 300 was put out there with the intent to sell. with a lot of auctions coming up offering really nice material, my guess is many folks waited to spend their money. If you buy something at auction you can always consign comics or art to pay for it, an option not available at comic art live. The event is awesome and there are lots of great pieces offered in the past. If someone prices something more than I want to pay, it’s no big deal. But I also think you can’t wonder why some thing doesn’t sell if pricing is aggressive. I think once you started looking at prices 5000 and below there were some really cool pieces. Xatari, davidtere, Michael Browning and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Browning Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 8:28 PM, Grant Turner said: I think, with a big Heritage auction on the immediate horizon, people were more inclined to hold back and gamble later than pay these aspirational prices today. Had prices been lower and had the event had less space between it and next weekend, maybe people would’ve been more engaged. I bought a Ditko Daredevil 235 page last event, but it was aggressively priced to sell and I couldn’t pass it up. I saw no deals of that ilk this time around I do think collectors/dealers did themselves a disservice by not pricing their art a little lower to try to lure some of the cash away from the upcoming auctions. cloud cloddie, Xatari and The Voord 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xatari Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Quite possible. There are some solid pieces coming up. I felt like the higher end of CAF Live were slightly above average pieces but mostly overpriced. A few gems in the lower territory (sub $1k). Overall, though, super fun event. I love the surprise factor. Michael Browning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 8:33 PM, Michael Browning said: I do think collectors/dealers did themselves a disservice by not pricing their art a little lower to try to lure some of the cash away from the upcoming auctions. There were 3 pages I would have bought if prices were just 15-20% less. And this based on my opinion they were 30%+ overpriced. But what do I know Michael Browning and Twanj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockeyflow33 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 7:57 PM, John E. said: With two hours to go, 541 out of 6,074 piece of art sold. Sheesh. Collectors really sat this one out. I’m interested to see what Bill saw on his side of the screen. I have 35 "saved" artworks from the weekend and only 3 sold with 1 being a purchase by me that was an offer of 80% of the list price. Most are way under $500 so I swim in the small fish pond and it will be interesting to see how the economy as a whole impacts these prices. John E. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I know crazy prices on art can get us all fired up. But I feel there was a lot of over reaction to the listings from Dinesh. When I saw the prices I just chuckled and said, "well that's a clever way of saying I don't want to sell." Then I had to go back through some of the other listed prices on House 92 and ASM. I thought dang, maybe just maybe a few of these could get close to ask ha ha. These are crazy times. I never would've started with "Dinesh is a ____. I would've emailed him on anything that I was interested in. Otherwise I wouldn't have cared very much what he listed prices at he's a collector. I didn't think he was joking I just thought he didn't really want to sell unless he got a surprisingly strong offer Dinesh if you really didn't want to sell these you took a risk, even if most think you overpriced ha ha. Funny if someone called your bluff Michael Browning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Turner Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I also think, it’s easier to assume you’re getting FMV (even when you’re not) in an auction as there are other people willing to pay at the level you’re paying for a said piece. in a show or with a dealer, it’s easier to question whether a price is too high (even if it isn’t) John E., Will_K and New School Fool 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Balls Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 9:09 AM, Michael Browning said: And dealers are competing with auctions to stay afloat in this hobby. It's tough for them to get great pieces nowadays and they have to adjust their prices to keep up. From my amateur perspective, it seems like the dealer situations are like this: Buy collections with sketches, prelims, commissions that don't turn as fast - while marking up the sellable published/big name pieces quite a bit to cover the long term costs of hanging onto the slow-selling, lower-priced pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGarcia Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I did laugh off the price of ASM #300 when I first I saw it. But then again, is it really that crazy? If a Secret Wars page can pull in 3 million plus. Why can't this sale for 5 million? Michael Browning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamouspure22 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) I hope everyone who was itching to buy got good stuff I hope everyone who had pieces to sell, at least enjoyed the opportunity even if they didn't sell I hope guys who just like to window shop got to see cool art they never saw before. I hope guys who just like to make fun of other guys prices don't get the same response if they ever try to sell I think its understandable for guys to price aggressively if they have a real need to sell (for whatever reason), but they don't really want to sell. Edited November 14, 2022 by Infamouspure22 Xatari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malvin Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 We all have our own approaches. With crazy auction prices, I was gun shy in trying to sell higher end pieces. I would just consign them. That's why most of mine were only a few hundred bucks, even if I priced it "too cheap" I would only have left 50 bucks on the table I hear people saying their $$ for heritage, but I think the majority of the items for sale on CAL were not really competing with HA, they were lower end. Malvin Michael Browning and Xatari 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xatari Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 6:31 PM, G.A.tor said: There were 3 pages I would have bought if prices were just 15-20% less. And this based on my opinion they were 30%+ overpriced. But what do I know @G.A.tor I am curious, did you reach out and offer 80-85% of the ask? I know someone did that one of my pieces, and I accepted. May be worth opening communication. 🤷♂️ On the buying end, I personally didn’t want to risk losing the pieces I was after and paid full ask just to secure the pages. Michael Browning and Sideshow Bob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob Frey Posted November 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2022 i don't know.............. if i had something i really did not want to sell, i wouldn't post it. pretty easy not to do that. New School Fool, jjonahjameson11, Ecclectica and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unstoppablejayd Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Happy CAF live weekend everyone! posted this one in honor of this thread! https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1869206 Michael Browning, Xatari and davidtere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xatari Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 9:22 PM, Unstoppablejayd said: Happy CAF live weekend everyone! posted this one in honor of this thread! https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1869206 Nice! Totally agree there can be fun had at any level of this hobby. Let’s breathe a little easier and laugh a little more. Such a fun time to be collecting! I’m so grateful for so many of you all and really appreciate the great friends I’ve made along the way. Michael Browning, Unstoppablejayd and davidtere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoV Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 2:28 AM, Grant Turner said: I think, with a big Heritage auction on the immediate horizon, people were more inclined to hold back and gamble later than pay these aspirational prices today. Not only that but also, for some of us (at least in Europe) , 3-4 large auctions in France/Belgium in the next 30 days. For a long time I felt like European art was really expensive compared to US art, now it's the opposite Twanj, Ecclectica and blizzardtonight 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) On 11/13/2022 at 10:37 PM, Xatari said: @G.A.tor I am curious, did you reach out and offer 80-85% of the ask? I know someone did that one of my pieces, and I accepted. May be worth opening communication. 🤷♂️ On the buying end, I personally didn’t want to risk losing the pieces I was after and paid full ask just to secure the pages. Of course. Received no response back on 2 , 3rd was a fair counter but more than I wanted to pay Edited November 14, 2022 by G.A.tor jimjum12, Twanj and Will_K 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delekkerste Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) I actually thought that, on the whole, prices were more reasonable than the last time out, and ended up buying 3 pieces (all in the $1-3K range). I also considered some other pieces that I thought were either priced to sell or at least priced potentially to sell. Edited November 14, 2022 by delekkerste Unstoppablejayd, Michael Browning and John E. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Ghoul Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 A CAF collector made a purchase request to one of mys pages and asked me to confirm he got it. I mailed him back and put the page as sold! Today as I sent him my info, he told me he moved to another purchase... Gentleman! grapeape, Twanj, tth2 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...