ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:07 AM, CGC Mike said:

The trust that we have built with our community sometimes makes us a target of bad actors and, despite our vigilance, this individual tampered with some of our holders.

Or maybe it's that the holders are so easy to tamper....

You guys aren't the victims here. 

Buyers of the slabs you guarantee are.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by Sigur Ros

[GDN]

Whomever picked Dec 28th wins!!

[sledgehammer]

How many reviews have there been since the initial review?

[GDN]

On 12/28/2023 at 6:07 AM, CGC Mike said:

CCG and CGC Comics Statement on Holder Tampering Incident

The Certified Collectibles Group (CCG), which includes Certified Guaranty Company (CGC), is aware of an incident involving an individual tampering with CGC Comics holders. Based on our initial review, we believe that the incident affects a few hundred comic books.

CCG exists to protect the collecting community, and in the last 36 years we have certified more than 85 million collectibles, each one backed by a comprehensive guarantee. The trust that we have built with our community sometimes makes us a target of bad actors and, despite our vigilance, this individual tampered with some of our holders.

If you purchased one of the books that this individual tampered with, we will ensure that you are appropriately compensated for losses arising from any failures in our services. We expect to share a list of books that we believe are impacted as soon as possible.  

We have also retained a leading private investigative service and outside counsel to conduct a comprehensive review of this incident and our processes, and to help ensure that this individual is held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. We have already made significant improvements to our processes as a result of this incident, and we will continue to take appropriate steps to help ensure that this type of incident does not happen again.

We expect to share more information when we have it. In the meantime, if you have any questions or would like to share any information with CCG, please reach out to us at ReportFraud@CollectiblesGroup.com.

I thought they'd sticky this to the start of each page but for now it is lost as the last post on pg 167

Edited December 28, 2023 by GDN

[pdags]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:07 AM, CGC Mike said:

We expect to share more information when we have it.

Thank you for the update.  Please continue to be as transparent as possible as this indirectly affects everyone that has a CGC graded comics.

[trademarkcomics]

[THE_BEYONDER]

I expected more….

[rsouxlja7]

A few hundred affected books that sold for thousands of dollars each...That's a lot of fraud. This guy deserves serious prison time. 

[pdags]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:21 AM, rsouxlja7 said:

This guy deserves serious prison time. 

At this point anyone of us can report this to the FBI...  Just saying.   We aren't asking them to arrest anyone, just to look into it for possible fraud.

 

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/28/2023 at 6:21 AM, rsouxlja7 said:

A few hundred affected books that sold for thousands of dollars each...That's a lot of fraud. This guy deserves serious prison time. 

And to pay back all of the money he took. 

[sledgehammer]

Look, I've gotten a look at an ASM 50 mid grade, graded in early Feb '23, from the prime suspect in my mind, and it's 2 grades high in the slab it's in.

This is not going to be a few hundred slabs.

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:24 AM, pdags said:

At this point anyone of us can report this to the FBI...  Just saying.   We aren't asking them to arrest anyone, just to look into it for possible fraud.

 

I think they're busy protecting PTA meetings.

[namisgr]

On 12/28/2023 at 8:36 AM, sledgehammer said:

Comiclink just listed a 9.8 ASM 194 newstand, grade date in December.  https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4351598006/

The submission includes this ASM 238. Look at LFC. https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4351598005/

The submission also includes a 9.6 XMEN 266 https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4351598003/

an ASM 9.8 252  https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4351598004/

An Omega men 9.8  https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4351598007/

 

You know, just your AVERAGE CGC submission. @COMICLINK

 

 

 

Nice catch.  The ASM 252 has a color breaking corner crease that is plainly evident at the lower right corner of the front cover, and that would certainly preclude a 9.8 grade so long as it isn't from Shaken Comic Syndrome.

[MAR1979]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:12 AM, GDN said:

I thought they'd sticky this to the start of each page but for now it is lost as the last post on pg 167

Prior to posting it in this thread it was added here;

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by MAR1979

[CGC Mike]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:12 AM, GDN said:

I thought they'd sticky this to the start of each page but for now it is lost as the last post on pg 167

I did post a thread in the announcement forum.  If it is decided that forum members would like a locked, pinned thread 

in comics general regarding this, I will do so.

[sd2416]

Are we still thinking there is an 
 

[CGC Mike]

CCG and CGC Comics Statement on Holder Tampering Incident

The Certified Collectibles Group (CCG), which includes Certified Guaranty Company (CGC), is aware of an incident involving an individual tampering with CGC Comics holders. Based on our initial review, we believe that the incident affects a few hundred comic books.

CCG exists to protect the collecting community, and in the last 36 years we have certified more than 85 million collectibles, each one backed by a comprehensive guarantee. The trust that we have built with our community sometimes makes us a target of bad actors and, despite our vigilance, this individual tampered with some of our holders.

If you purchased one of the books that this individual tampered with, we will ensure that you are appropriately compensated for losses arising from any failures in our services. We expect to share a list of books that we believe are impacted as soon as possible.  

We have also retained a leading private investigative service and outside counsel to conduct a comprehensive review of this incident and our processes, and to help ensure that this individual is held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. We have already made significant improvements to our processes as a result of this incident, and we will continue to take appropriate steps to help ensure that this type of incident does not happen again.

We expect to share more information when we have it. In the meantime, if you have any questions or would like to share any information with CCG, please reach out to us at ReportFraud@CollectiblesGroup.com.

[MAR1979]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:26 AM, CGC Mike said:

I did post a thread in the announcement forum.  If it is decided that forum members would like a locked, pinned thread 

in comics general regarding this, I will do so.

I say Yes.

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/28/2023 at 6:07 AM, CGC Mike said:

 

If you purchased one of the books that this individual tampered with, we will ensure that you are appropriately compensated for losses arising from any failures in our services.  

 

Hopefully you're not planning to pass this cost onto future submitters in the shape of higher service fees...

[namisgr]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:07 AM, CGC Mike said:

CCG and CGC Comics Statement on Holder Tampering Incident

The Certified Collectibles Group (CCG), which includes Certified Guaranty Company (CGC), is aware of an incident involving an individual tampering with CGC Comics holders. Based on our initial review, we believe that the incident affects a few hundred comic books.

CCG exists to protect the collecting community, and in the last 36 years we have certified more than 85 million collectibles, each one backed by a comprehensive guarantee. The trust that we have built with our community sometimes makes us a target of bad actors and, despite our vigilance, this individual tampered with some of our holders.

If you purchased one of the books that this individual tampered with, we will ensure that you are appropriately compensated for losses arising from any failures in our services. We expect to share a list of books that we believe are impacted as soon as possible.  

We have also retained a leading private investigative service and outside counsel to conduct a comprehensive review of this incident and our processes, and to help ensure that this individual is held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. We have already made significant improvements to our processes as a result of this incident, and we will continue to take appropriate steps to help ensure that this type of incident does not happen again.

We expect to share more information when we have it. In the meantime, if you have any questions or would like to share any information with CCG, please reach out to us at ReportFraud@CollectiblesGroup.com.

Thanks, Mike.  This is a promising statement toward making things right with collectors duped by the holder tampering and the rest of us wanting both reliability and accountability from CGC.