ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[Silver Surfer]

Even if the feedback went private shouldn’t you still be able to see the total score and percentage? Why would it show 0%? Did he close his account?

Edited December 29, 2023 by Silver Surfer

[agamoto]

For what it's worth, aureliaag used the same/similar ad copy as his other monikers. 1200 ads archived on worthpoint back to 2011 and even more from ads that used very similar, very unique verbiage in 2006-2010

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:00 PM, agamoto said:

For what it's worth, aureliaag used the same/similar ad copy as his other monikers. 1200 ads archived on worthpoint back to 2011 and even more from ads that used very similar, very unique verbiage in 2006-2010

If he’s been scamming since 2006, I can only assume it’s significantly more than “a few hundred” books we’re dealing with.

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 12/28/2023 at 1:03 PM, Buzzetta said:

On 12/28/2023 at 12:56 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Ah yes.   I remember that fiasco 

 

Thanks

Some refer to it as Acetategate

Others refer to it as "Keep Your Wife from Clayton Crain Gate"

[wombat]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:05 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

If he’s been scamming since 2006, I can only assume it’s significantly more than “a few hundred” books we’re dealing with.

Its whatever CGC says it is. 

[trademarkcomics]

I might have missed the update in the gazillion posts since, so forgive me if you already know this but GPA did take down the SW 8 MJI for 21k, and only has the last 9.6k sale on there. 

[MatterEaterLad]

What if CGC doesn't want law enforcement involved?

Maybe that's why they've "retained a leading private investigative service". 

They might just be thinking lawsuit, not a criminal prosecution, which could reveal unflattering things during a public trial.

 

[agamoto]

On 12/28/2023 at 6:05 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

If he’s been scamming since 2006, I can only assume it’s significantly more than “a few hundred” books we’re dealing with.

Just the ads where he's using his most often used catch phrase when selling slabs on ebay...

and don't forget he's also been selling via facebook instagram comiclink and who knows where else. 

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 12/28/2023 at 8:00 PM, agamoto said:

For what it's worth, aureliaag used the same/similar ad copy as his other monikers. 1200 ads archived on worthpoint back to 2011 and even more from ads that used very similar, very unique verbiage in 2006-2010

Youre right to say since you did the work and its admirabke, so i wont belaybor the point.

Main Question though: Do you think cgc will have the same submitters info and ebay handles? I know yall are "working behund the scenes", and no one has pressed you for all the info ( one could argue do the same with cgc), are you sure cgc at least has the info you do at least?

Like i said i dont want to belaybor the point, that you know many things not shared with us, so remember that we too give you the benefit of the doubt. 

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by ADAMANTIUM

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/28/2023 at 6:09 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

 

They might just be thinking lawsuit, not a criminal prosecution, which could reveal unflattering things during a public trial.

 

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 12/28/2023 at 1:08 PM, Dark Knight said:

the section where a missing page was.

I know someone who sure would have appreciated that vs the note that was originally on the CGC label of this book.

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/28/2023 at 6:11 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

I know someone who sure would have appreciated that vs the note that was originally on the CGC label of this book.

When you buy the 1st Wolverine and he's not even in the book! 

[Mdesimone]

On 12/28/2023 at 9:10 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Youre right to say since you did the work and its admirabke, so i wont belaybor the point.

Main Question though, do you think cgc will have the same submitters info and ebay handles. I know yall are "working behund the scenes", and no one has pressed you for all the info ( one could argue do the same with cgc), are you sure cgc at least has the info you do at least?

Like i said i dont want to belaybor the point, that you know many things not shared with us, so remember that we too give you the benefit of the doubt. 

 

I emailed that fraud link for cgc with the info earlier today but no one responded yet

[agamoto]

That right there would have been a perfect buy for our little scammer buddy. What a cuttout.

[comeaux]

There is likely more than “a few hundred slabs” and more than “one individual”

[CAHokie]

On 12/28/2023 at 8:56 PM, agamoto said:

What do you think "calling them in" means? Anyways, tired of arguing with you about it. CGC is in the best position to report the crimes because of the information they possess, not me.

For everyone's amusement... https://chat.openai.com/share/381a4a54-166e-43de-995c-5d50f9df3264

You’re right, what do I know….. I am sure it will move to the highest levels of priority for them.

[MatterEaterLad]

Are brevis3, aureliaag, and zaneglors all eBay names? Or are these names he's used elsewhere? 

[agamoto]

On 12/28/2023 at 6:10 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Youre right to say since you did the work and its admirabke, so i wont belaybor the point.

Main Question though, do you think cgc will have the same submitters info and ebay handles. I know yall are "working behund the scenes", and no one has pressed you for all the info ( one could argue do the same with cgc), are you sure cgc at least has the info you do at least?

Like i said i dont want to belaybor the point, that you know many things not shared with us, so remember that we too give you the benefit of the doubt. 

 

They may have fake names, dropship mail addresses, PO boxes, fake credit cards or bitcoin payments, so who knows what they have there, but they'll have something which is more than what we got... What they CAN'T get is eBay's data, instagram's data. Facebook's data, and other site data that can confirm who was behind the keyboard and what the sold, and what they submitted. There's only one agency in the USA that's equipped to figure that out, and it aint CGC.

[agamoto]

On 12/28/2023 at 6:16 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

Are brevis3, aureliaag, and zaneglors all eBay names? Or are these names he's used elsewhere? 

eBay, insta for sure, probably other social media sites... Brute_nm has pinpointed a few other usernames that are connected.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 12/28/2023 at 8:17 PM, agamoto said:

They may have fake names, dropship mail addresses, PO boxes, fake credit cards or bitcoin payments, so who knows what they have there, but they'll have something which is more than what we got... What they CAN'T get is eBay's data, instagram's data. Facebook's data, and other site data that can confirm who was behind the keyboard and what the sold, and what they submitted. There's only one agency in the USA that's equipped to figure that out, and it aint CGC.

Ya I got that now, thank you