ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[sd2416]

Something happen?  6 hour posting gap.  Boards go down again?

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 1/18/2024 at 7:06 PM, sd2416 said:

Something happen?  6 hour posting gap.  Boards go down again?

Well if you know then you know .

On 1/17/2024 at 8:49 PM, Domo Arigato said:

That's one of those pieces of information that only certain board members know.

It's also the kind of information that we can't share with the rest of you

Plus....it's the kind of information that we want people like you to know that only a few of us know what it is.....but that you aren't allowed to know what it is.

In short......a few of us know what it is......you now know that only a few of us know what it is......but those few aren't going to tell you what it is.

Hopefully that clears things up.

 

 

[wiparker824]

On 1/18/2024 at 6:06 PM, sd2416 said:

Something happen?  6 hour posting gap.  Boards go down again?

I’ve been busy dusting off my 9.8’s for the 9.9 pre screen program. 

[Microchip]

On 1/19/2024 at 1:36 PM, wiparker824 said:

I’ve been busy dusting off my 9.8’s for the 9.9 pre screen program. 

Going through your longbox of UF4 9.8 slabs?

[Iconic1s]

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[Microchip]

On 1/19/2024 at 2:05 PM, Iconic1s said:

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Apparently Matt and the crew at CGC can determine if a book has a MJ insert or not without cracking an inner well.    That sounds kinda impressive.

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 1/18/2024 at 9:05 PM, Iconic1s said:

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On 1/18/2024 at 9:43 PM, Microchip said:

Apparently Matt and the crew at CGC can determine if a book has a MJ insert or not without cracking an inner well.    That sounds kinda impressive.

 

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 1/18/2024 at 10:43 PM, Microchip said:

Apparently Matt and the crew at CGC can determine if a book has a MJ insert or not without cracking an inner well.    That sounds kinda impressive.

You can see the MJ insert from the edges of the comic.   They must be using magic to spot a missing value stamp though 

[Nick Furious]

On 1/19/2024 at 8:59 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

You can see the MJ insert from the edges of the comic.   They must be using magic to spot a missing value stamp though 

Yeah, I don't think that false MJ labels are the concern in this scam.  I think it's wrong grades and internal issues other than missing MJ ads.  

[Dr. Balls]

Between Newsstand and MJ inserts, comic collecting has gotten about as close as it can to the insanity of vinyl collectors mothers/stampers valuations.

[CJ Design]

Hey what about us borderline Psycho "PIZZAZZ" insert collectors...Huh???

Where's our scam??? 

 

[Gonzimodo]

On 1/19/2024 at 12:20 PM, Dr. Balls said:

Between Newsstand and MJ inserts, comic collecting has gotten about as close as it can to the insanity of vinyl collectors mothers/stampers valuations.

Anyone remember the heyday of the 90s Star Wars action figures and all the variants people were pimping for big dollars?  I remember long sabers vs. short sabers, short sabers in long saber trays, Boba Fett paint application variants, safety stickers on cards, full portrait vs. half portrait for Obi-Wan, something to do with variations of Leia's belt...

Now they're all worth about tree-fiddy each.

[Chip Cataldo]

On 1/19/2024 at 2:51 PM, Gonzimodo said:

Anyone remember the heyday of the 90s Star Wars action figures and all the variants people were pimping for big dollars?  I remember long sabers vs. short sabers, short sabers in long saber trays, Boba Fett paint application variants, safety stickers on cards, full portrait vs. half portrait for Obi-Wan, something to do with variations of Leia's belt...

Now they're all worth about tree-fiddy each.

Psst.

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

[MAR1979]

On 1/18/2024 at 9:36 PM, wiparker824 said:

I’ve been busy dusting off my 9.8’s for the 9.9 pre screen program. 

Just have the original artist staple an acetate to the cover, then on the standard S1798 crossout Machine Gun and write in your choice of Pizza Oven or 10.0

Edited January 19 by MAR1979

[grendel013]

On 1/19/2024 at 5:56 PM, MAR1979 said:

Just have the original artist staple an acetate to the cover, then on the standard S1798 crossout Machine Gun and write in your choice of Pizza Oven or 10.0

I love MASH.

[mjoeyoung]

On 1/19/2024 at 3:56 PM, MAR1979 said:

Just have the original artist staple an acetate to the cover, then on the standard S1798 crossout Machine Gun and write in your choice of Pizza Oven or 10.0

Psst Psst

[Coverless 9.8]

On 1/18/2024 at 10:43 PM, Microchip said:

Apparently Matt and the crew at CGC can determine if a book has a MJ insert or not without cracking an inner well.    That sounds kinda impressive.

The technology has existed for decades now!  

Edited January 20 by Coverless 9.8

[Gaard]

On 1/19/2024 at 5:56 PM, MAR1979 said:

Just have the original artist staple an acetate to the cover, then on the standard S1798 crossout Machine Gun and write in your choice of Pizza Oven or 10.0

We know what we graded and stand by it.

[Pantodude]

I recall this being mentioned long ago but not whether it was bounced around enough or addressed by CGC (thread got so long). If CGC has scans beyond what it has made available for free for books slabbed as of July 2023, it should make them ALL available now, ideally going back to 2000 when CGC opened its doors.  Prior to summer 2023, the hi-res scans were a paid service to be selected at time of submission (like $5?).  But if CGC has been scanning the slabs by default for years regardless of the submitter paying extra to receive the hi-res scan, then now is the time to make them available at the cert verification page.  I understand it would be a bummer for those who paid up for the scans prior to summer 2023, but I think everyone, including those submitters, acknowledge that we have extenuating circumstances. 

Also, it needs to be CGC making its hi-res scans available now.  Sure, we have seen good scans for books slabbed pre-summer 2023 that were made by submitters after receiving their books or by a subsequent owner or even by vendors (like Heritage) that have been useful in sorting out the reholder mess.  But the scans were taken after, sometimes long after, the slabbing.  So it would be ideal to have access to the CGC scans to remove any doubt about the book in slab from day one.  The huge advantage is that would enable anyone in the community to do their own sleuthing by checking the cert verification page. Up until now, the community has needed to rely on the commendable efforts of boardies who had the commitment, skill, time and/or resources to do the impressive but time-consuming investigations for this thread.  I'm grateful for them, but CGC should empower each one of us with the ability to perform our own due diligence via a simple visit to the cert verification page (instead of having to scour the internet for any available, adequate images), especially as we wait for the fruits of whatever else CGC suggested it has or will do to address the scam. 

In fact, no matter what changes CGC makes to its slabbing or review process, providing free access to ALL of CGC's hi-res scans at the cert verification page (not just those since July 2023) is a no-brainer.  It would be the most reliable way for the community to check all of their books, including older slabs and whether or not implicated in a known scam.  Looking at a big book?  Go to CGC and confirm for yourself that the books match.  Why the heck not?   So access to scans should be implemented by CGC as soon as practicable, like yesterday. 

@CGC Mike Could we know whether CGC has scans of all its slabs, or at least all of its slabs going back to some year, or maybe just slabs of books meeting a value threshold?  The point being, however many additional scans CGC has, ideally they would be made available at the cert verification page.  My apologies if you already answered this question somewhere in this fiendishly-long thread.  

 Anyway, it's never too late to do the right thing. 

Edited January 20 by Pantodude