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Actually, this thread would be where everyone else who's not you tries to post their opinions on Stan Lee's contributions to Marvel. And having been a comic book reader since the early '60s, mine are both well formed and informed about that era. As for 1978 and beyond, I had nothing to say about it. As for Kirby and Ditko, I had nothing to add about them, either, my opinion being concentrated on Stan's vital role in giving Marvel comics a unique and popular personality as it became the most popular comics publisher with young adults in the '60s and early '70s. That impact is still felt today, as among collectors over the past three decades it's been Marvel comics that have dominated the Silver Age collecting hobby, as the CGC census and time spent at any comic convention can attest.
As for your opinion, it's well articulated elsewhere already through dozens if not hundreds of posts. That contradicts your mention of being suppressed from posting. Here, a place for other posters with differing opinions and the space to voice them would be respectful.
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On 2/23/2024 at 8:07 PM, mrc said:No one 'stole' anything because they were all paid employees, working in collaboration to create a product to sell. Sure, Kirby & Ditko may not have liked the Marvel Method or the fact that Stan 'took' credit but, Stan's promotion of the brand and his success in making the books 'relevant' and exciting is what made the 'product' sell and ultimately changed the way comic books were perceived as a creative medium.
Frankly, your continued accusations of 'theft' are beyond tedious.
Perhaps Chris Evans (Captain America) summed it up best, “There will never be another Stan Lee. For decades he provided both young and old with adventure, escape, comfort, confidence, inspiration, strength, friendship and joy. He exuded love and kindness and will leave an indelible mark on so, so, so many lives. Excelsior!!”
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While there were several hugely important creative forces working for Marvel, Stan Lee gave their comics line personality, fun, and appeal to young adults that DC didn't match, and that didn't exist prior to Stan's making it so. It came not just from the comic plots, stories and art, and characters that were the product of several creators, but also from Stan's unquestioned contributions of the content and tone of the dialog, the Bullpen and letters pages, and the Marvel-run fan clubs, as well as Stan's efforts as the public face interacting with college students, the press, and artists from other media.
Finally, given that a longstanding thread is already devoted to denigrating Stan's influence and involvement in Marvel's success, it would be nice if this one weren't used for that very same and so repetitive purpose.
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On 2/20/2024 at 11:43 AM, revat said:
I’m sure some of it if not most is insurance and liability, but there are probably other aspects that can only be explained by decision makers within the company.
I don't think it's a stretch to consider that the more value slabbing and grading adds to the selling price of a comic, the more CGC can charge for the slabbing and grading service. The marketplace has established that the value of their service is much, much greater for the submitter of an Amazing Fantasy #15 (tens of thousands of dollars) than it is for the submitter of an Amazing Spiderman #126 (tens of dollars).
LowGradeBronze and NickFurious have made this point already, and I agree with it. In comparison, I suspect that their higher insurance burden for more valuable books is just a relatively small contributor to deriving their tiered fees.
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On 2/21/2024 at 1:59 PM, shadroch said:
IF CGC's President has no responsibility for this mess, why should the CEO?
I know you're being facetious, Bill, but Mr. Eichenbaum wrote:
We will not tolerate acts of fraud against our community, and we will not rest until justice is served.
But it hinders rather than promotes the serving of justice to keep the collector and dealer community underinformed about the submission histories of the outsider swapping fraudster and the insider couple printing their own labels and also swapping and stealing.
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On 2/21/2024 at 11:54 AM, LDarkseid1 said:
I remember seeing a big list. Anyway, I think they've done a solid job.
It may look big, but it's not a full list of the submissions by the swap-out scammer.
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Has there been release of anything conclusive that the in-house fraud was committed on no more than a maximum of 23 encapsulated books? Has there been release of the total number of comics the fraudster couple had encapsulated since they began employment?
In other words, are we certain of the scope of the fraud, or is the potential for more slabs being involved being swept under the rug, so to speak?
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Missing from the CEO letter regarding the two recent scams involving CGC is the commitment to help the comic collecting/dealing community identify additional possible instances of fraudulent grading. Specifically, the letter made no mention and the company has made no public effort to provide to the community a complete listing of the certification numbers of every encapsulated book submitted by the swap-out external fraudster or submitted by the in-house fraudster using their access to the facility to make their own bogus labels.
CGC can do better for us.
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On 2/15/2024 at 6:52 PM, AwesomeSauce said:
Having a longstanding disagreement with a comic collecting comrade of mine. Figured if I got on here I could settle the score once and for all. Can anyone tell me if books from the Oregon Coast Collection are considered pedigrees?
The Oregon Coast collection does not have a pedigree designation from CGC. But being a sweet, sought after original owner collection of high grade white paged bronze age comics, I believe the provenance does have significance.
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CGC must release at a minimum the identities and certification numbers of the seven comics that were stolen and then encapsulated with stolen labels sporting much higher grades than the stolen books deserved, and then sold at auction. They should also ask owners of these slabs to send them back to CGC in exchange for full value of the books as per their fraudulent grade, plus shipping cost and a reward for the sender.
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On 2/3/2024 at 4:27 PM, EastEnd1 said:Thanks for the focus on this part of the filing.
It says the perp admitted to stealing 23 comics. It remains possible that the true number is actually larger. And of the 23 admittedly stolen, the perp had seven of them encapsulated with labels sporting higher grades that were duplicated from other graded examples - the true number of swaps with bogus grades is, then, a minimum of seven.
Over the past couple of years, there have been so many threads on the boards about encapsulated books that don't look anything like they're deserving of the assigned grades. With the outsider 'swap-gate' and insider 'swap-gate' now providing concrete examples of slabbed books being labelled in ways that have nothing to do with their actual grades and conditions, it becomes increasingly challenging for collectors of slabbed books and venues selling them to identify comics that have been innocently overgraded, a normal part of the high volume, subjective, imperfect, and sometimes rushed nature of the third party grading process, from those that may be sporting labels that are fraudulent and have nothing to do with actual condition and grade of the slabbed comic.
Here's a post of mine from one of those threads from 2022 wondering whether there might be a problem within CGC that could explain some of these instances of gross overgrading:
On 9/28/2022 at 3:34 PM, namisgr said:It makes me suspect that, rather than the comic being graded sloppily, it was encapsulated and labeled sloppily, and was either sealed with the wrong grade on the label, or mixed up/switched out for another copy that was truly high grade.
One wonders if there might not be shenanigans going on with the encapsulation/labeling crew. We've seen multiple examples of these massive mis-grades lately - are the high grades being substituted by lower grade examples in an unscrupulous practice, like PGX was caught doing years ago? I'm not accusing anybody of anything, but think the company should certainly look into the possibility. What other plausible explanation is there for slabs leaving the CGC facility with 9.6 and 9.8 labels encapsulated with comics plainly in the VF- to VF/NM grade range?
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On 2/3/2024 at 3:20 AM, Yorick said:Get it slabbed.
Then switch it out for a higher profile judgement.
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