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+1 To all of it. (thumbs u -J.

I wish I could say the same. -J. I refuse to believe that about you!! I know, right. I knew little to nothing of Dr. Strange before that movie hype started percolating. Then I went and jumped on the bandwagon and "over-paid" for an ST 110. I have since developed a greater appreciation for the character and his pedigree, but yeah, I will never do that again. -J.

I wish I could say the same. -J.

+1. A bunch of people don't seem to understand the purpose behind these Showcase issues. Oh well carry on. There are some people who have an extremely narrow definition of what a key is and for some reason, fail and/or refuse to look at the history surrounding a book like Showcase 30. The Showcase books published during that era were an "introduction" of characters to a new age of collectors- some re-introduced GA characters, others new concepts, while a character like Aquaman was finally given the same stage as Green Lantern, Atom, Sea Devils, Challies, Adam Strange, etc. Aquaman had been around and its a testament to this character's lack of lameness that he managed to stick around, albiet in the back pages of Adventure Comics, while others simply disappeared during the early postwar period. I can't agree more when you say some people fail to understand the greatest SA run and the purpose behind it. ....except Aquaman had already been "re-introduced" within the pages of B&B. Therein will always be the rub to this book's alleged "keyness". Other posters have used the word "notable" to describe the book. It is perhaps "notable" to Aquaman fans that this was his first "solo story". That is probably a much fairer use of terminology. Whether or not this "notable" book is fairly valued at this point what with fleeting movie hype and glut of falsely advertising ebay listings is an entirely different conversation. -J.

I agree that it is not the first silver age Aquaman, and I certainly agree that people often stretch the truth to try and get a sale on eBay. We may need that coke and a hug after all. (thumbs u -J.

1. I can't help but picture Elf when I read the "on a stack of lies" comment. 2. There have been quite a few people providing solid reasons as to why they consider this book a key. You seem to keep ignoring them or declaring their reasoning unfit to meet your personal high standards of keyness. When I say "I consider this a key, and you don't. Fine with me.", I'm not suggesting that we share a coke and a smile and then hug it out. It's not sentimental nonsense; we've simply reached an impasse. I've stated my case, and you disagree. What else is there to say? Financially, the market eventually decides. Personally, I decide for me, and you decide for you. This quote is absolutely a key. 1st full appearance of Jaydog as "Key Master". How do you know it is "in fact" not a key? Did the Illuminati convene a special session wherein Showcase #30 was forbidden key status? I'm joking because I know you must have been when you said "enjoy owning your non-key book that you like.". Yes, that deserved to be quoted twice in one reply. I need to be sure that you understand that you and I don't get to decide what books are the keys in other people's collections. Maybe the market decides, depending on the definition of key, but I'm certain that we don't. And if we are leaving it up to the popular vote of the collecting community, then this book is very much a key. The money has spoken, and people are spending it on Showcase #30. I'm not selling my copy, so the rise in price doesn't fatten my wallet, but I do still wonder why you two are so intent on going out of your way to convince everyone that this isn't a sought after book. Is it just that you want your personal definition of key to be recognized as the accepted version? I understand that you disagree, but why does that mean everyone else has to be wrong? All joking aside, I'm genuinely curious and not attacking you. It just reads more like you are bringing down the tablets from Mount Sinai and declaring the truth, rather than debating the merits of the book. A couple pages back I linked to a half dozen ebay listings no less where every single seller referred to this book as the "first SA appearance" of aquaman. I suggest you take a look at those again and then you tell me who exactly is trying to convince whom of what. (thumbs u -J.

Agreed. (thumbs u -J.

Sorry, but still no. There's nothing "key" about a reprinted origin story, regardless of the title of the book it is reprinted in. There were what, a dozen books featuring Aquaman between B&B 28 and showcase 30? Nobody cared about this book until movie talk started. Then people were bamboozled into buying it based on blatant dealer carnival barking. And by the way that guy on the cover of showcase 30 looks absolutely nothing like whomever Jason Momoa is supposed to be portraying. There may be "key" Aquaman books out there but showcase 30 isn't one of them. -J.

Showcase 30 is in fact not a key and has never been a book anybody chased before his appearance in a movie was announced. That single event did not suddenly turn this book into a "key". Temporary perceived "value" or not, there is nothing remotely important about that book for it to warrant such a lofty designation. I understand that many people have bought this book believing it is something that is not. Lesson learned. But please, please, don't let the fact that you own or like this book cause you to retcon it in your imagination into being a "key". Just keep it real and enjoy owning your non-key book that you like. -J.

+1 The fact that people need to work so hard to try to make it more than what it is (including all of those sellers of it on ebay falsely calling it his "first SA appearance") is telling in and of itself. -J.

showcase 30 is a key because I own it and your going to cause a crash J ! all it takes is a little board gossip.. Really... I thought it was his first ever ... mess I got hosed... *Ninja edit* Not saying it's a bad book, and your copy is stellar. It's actually one of my favourite Aquaman covers. But people are obviously paying a pretty big premium for the book right now based on bad information. I'll back away from the table now. -J.

I appreciate zosocane's obvious passion for the book. But no, showcase 30 is not a "key" of any sorts. Adventure 260 ("first SA appearance"), and B&B 28 ("second SA appearance, first SA cover appearance, co-founds JLA"). Unless you're a hard core Aquaman fan or a "Showcase" completist, you don't need Showcase 30 for anything. It could just as easily be argued that including him in the JLA first and the reception of B&B 28 is what gave DC the nudge to experiment with the solo story later in Showcase 30. I would say those litany of ebay listings go well beyond "puffery" into downright false advertising territory. -J.

Based on the current market values, it is 1) SC 30 - small gap - 2) Aquaman 1 --big gap-- 3) Adventure 260 Which is why I said "order of importance," not current market values. I'd agree that Adventure 260 is a more important book (and of course BB28 tops them all). I think the market is missing the boat by embracing SC 30 as the "key" SA Aquaman book. It's still an important book, has Aquaman on the cover, and helps set up a solo title. But to me it's not as important as the origin of Arthur Curry in Adventure 260. Maybe a book to scoop up while it's still relatively cheap? There's nothing "key" about Showcase 30. The sheeple have been conned by ubiquitous and blatantly false ebay listings such as these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-30-CGC-7-5-1961-Off-White-to-White-Pages-ORIGIN-AND-1ST-AQUAMAN-/351377116131?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51cfb54be3 http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHOWCASE-30-CGC-8-0-ORIGIN-1ST-APP-AQUAMAN-WHITE-PAGES-/121637464589?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c52286a0d http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aquaman-Showcase-comic-30-CGC-8-White-Pages-ORIGIN-1st-full-AQUAMAN-Key-Issue-/131494460881?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9dae3dd1 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-30-5-0-1st-S-A-Aquaman-DC-Key-JLA-Movie-Look-/181725232960?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4faaff40 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-30-CGC-5-0-OW-White-Pages-1st-Silver-Age-Aquaman-HOT-BOOK-/121590680704?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4f5e8c80 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-30-CGC-7-0-1961-Off-White-to-White-Pages-ORIGIN-AND-1ST-AQUAMAN-/201292908989?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eddfe09bd -J.

Based on the current market values, it is 1) SC 30 - small gap - 2) Aquaman 1 --big gap-- 3) Adventure 260 Pretty sure B&B 28 should be in there somewhere. In fact, it and adventure 260 are the only two that matter IMO. The others are redundant and/or superfluous. -J.

All three ? That might have been on the low side. Maybe for two of them... -J.

He was offended ? Sounds like you made a very strong offer for one of those. Hopefully he comes to his senses and reconsiders. -J.

raw copies are listed @$3500 now.... That is evidently one seller with three raw copies, none of which look to be 9.8 candidates. He's obviously smoking the good stuff. -J.

The raw copy ended up going for over $1400 no reserve. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-WOLVERINE-1-DEADPOOL-VARIANT-J-SCOTT-CAMPBELL-Retailer-Exc-NM-MINT-Trade-/400907561106?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d57f3e892 -J.

Finally got it ! Congratulations. -J.

People should relax and just enjoy owning these rare and awesome treasures. Unless your book was graded yesterday or you crack it from the slab to see for yourself, you have no way of knowing whether or not that "PQ" on the label is even still indicative of the book inside. (thumbs u -J.

Before agreeing that one book has passed another I'd need to see a trend, not just a few sales. That's one of the problems with the internet and GPA data, people don't have the patience to see where the chips are actually falling. They just assume every new data point is the new value. Again, remember you couldn't give away an All Star #8 or a More Fun #73 just a couple of years ago. This movie craze has no real logic to it. But again, I'd need to see a trend of several books in several grades before coming to a final conclusion. And as far as the Hulk #1 / AF #15 discussion that happened a few months ago on here, did Hulk #1 surpass AF #15? No, AF #15 just pushed up higher. In my opinion that same thing will happen if SC #4 continues to heat up - it won't surpass other books it will just push them up. Personally, I'm not a fan of all this movie hype. Oh, and for disclosure I don't own any of these books being discussed at the moment. +1 That's EXACTLY what has happened. (thumbs u -J.

Likely because it has increased so much more dramatically in value. -J. No, ...because a. there are so many of them...and b...because he was always kind of whiney;) (sorry;) My showcase went up 10 times from what I paid for it;) The AF15, not quite so much Of course that all depends on when you bought, the deal you negotiated, which grade, etc. I purchased an AF 15 and a showcase 4 at about the same time. On the AF 15 I have over $15k I'm equity now. In the showcase 4, about $4k. The percentage increase in the showcase was more, but in an actual dollars and cents analysis, the AF 15 nearly quadruples the showcase. It's just not even close. -J. Curious to more details on that. If you bought them at "around the same time" and the AF15 is worth 15k, and the showcase 4 is only worth 4k you didn't spend nearly the same amount on them. If the showcase 4 has gone up more in a % way more than the AF15 if you initially invested the same amount in each one wouldn't the Showcase 4 be the winner.... Showcase is a lower grade, and less was spent. That's why the percentage increase is greater, but not the dollar figure. Had I purchased grade for grade the AF 15 would still be up about $10k, give or take. -J.

Likely because it has increased so much more dramatically in value. -J. No, ...because a. there are so many of them...and b...because he was always kind of whiney;) (sorry;) My showcase went up 10 times from what I paid for it;) The AF15, not quite so much Of course that all depends on when you bought, the deal you negotiated, which grade, etc. I purchased an AF 15 and a showcase 4 at about the same time. On the AF 15 I have over $15k I'm equity now. In the showcase 4, about $4k. The percentage increase in the showcase was more, but in an actual dollars and cents analysis, the AF 15 nearly quadruples the showcase. It's just not even close. -J.

Likely because it has increased so much more dramatically in value. -J. That's why I sold mine, to be honest. Hey I get it, I got a Spider-Man collection when I was a kid and couldn't put them down until t read the whole set. I love the character. I also love Flash, maybe a tad more. AF #15 is a mighty book indeed. But you never know what's going to happen in the future, with a new generation of fans. That's true. However the spider sells more than a million books a year, millions in merchandising, always has a new cartoon coming out, and is now a part of the MCU. Spider-Man is a cottage industry unto himself with countless spin off (and sadly duplicative) characters, classic villains, team ups, etc. Meanwhile the flash is just about to complete the first season of a second TV show in 20 years. (Although I do like the show). Talking about the "next generation of fans", I don't think the spider will be hurting very much for those at all, and will still have eight legs up on the flash. (thumbs u -J.

Likely because it has increased so much more dramatically in value. -J.