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Congrats, can't wait to check it out. (thumbs u -J.

$2500 closing on Comiclink tonight. KEEP THE HITS COMING BRO Looks like somebody got caught with their pants down on that one. Reminds me of that time someone allegedly paid over $3000 for a walking dead #1 in a heritage auction when there were copies readily available even on ebay for $1,000 less. Caveat emptor on this book. -J.

He said you have a nice rack. -J.

He ended the previous auction early and then relisted it as an OBO and immediately took the buyer's offer of $2500. Now showing up on GPA. (thumbs u -J.

The last Wolverine 1 Deadpool 9.6 went for $1900. But that was a few months ago. There are also still about 40 more copies of it in 9.6/9.8 holders than the ASM 678. Let's see how many (or how few) copies these prices flush out in the months ahead and how many publicly change hands. As of now there are still very few GPA reported sales. -J.

$2500 Are you guys kidding me? A 9.8 is going for 2500! I bought mine from my LCS for 20 dollars when it first came out,oh and it's a beauty. It was a 9.6. -J.

$2500 Damn. Kudos to costas. And congrats to buyer. Th guy who short sold his 9.6 copy a few weeks ago for half that is probably kicking himself right now. I noticed 3 new copies have hit the census since the book went nuclear. Two 9.6's and a 9.4. -J.

If I am not mistaken, Costas got $2700 for it.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spider-Man-678-Venom-variant-CGC-9-6-/161674063230?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a4866d7e&nma=true&si=GPeiRTziuxEEkKRUdcLaYH3luwQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Guess I shoulda charged him more than $20 for pressing the book before he subbed it last month Good job on the sale, Costas He didn't get quite full ask for it but it looks like GPA will pick up the sale. (thumbs u -J.

I couldn't even get that for my 8.5 at megacon Something about ebay evidently compels people to overpay for movie hype books that are readily available for cheaper at other venues for some reason. Go figure. -J. You mean it's not shilling? -J. The 8.0 had White pages, Ricks only had OW/W I guess I had that coming. -J.

I couldn't even get that for my 8.5 at megacon Something about ebay evidently compels people to overpay for movie hype books that are readily available for cheaper at other venues for some reason. Go figure. -J. You mean it's not shilling? -J.

I couldn't even get that for my 8.5 at megacon Something about ebay evidently compels people to overpay for movie hype books that are readily available for cheaper at other venues for some reason. Go figure. -J.

It's looking like even my FMV estimate of $1900 for a 9.6 was on the conservative side. Congratulations on your auction. I see you're also the new owner of that 9.8 Wolverine 1 deadpool Mashup SS copy too. (thumbs u -J.

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Looks like somebody got tired of waiting: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wolverine-1-CGC-9-8-SS-Campbell-dead-pool-variant-/121597938700?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4fcd4c0c Hope it was a boardie. -J.

By any measure that it is a mighty solid copy. Congrats. -J.

I didn't use sales that were "weeks and months apart". They were days apart in many cases. Even if they were sold weeks and months apart, they are still "comparable books". Even in real estate you can use sales data from up to a year ago. A book does need to be sold off from the same table or off from another table at the same convention within 5 minutes of another book to be a "comp". Come on now. But the take away from what you're saying seems to be that the unreported sales on convention floors follow a different pattern than what can be observed in publicly available sales data. That still takes me back to my original point: "pq" does not "always" or even "usually" affect the price. Only "sometimes" at "some" venues under "certain" circumstances. That many qualifiers, together with all of the other qualifiers that can affect the price of a particular book (not the least of which being the actual structural grade) coupled with the arbitrary way that "pq" is assigned in the first place, makes it one of the least consistent and reliable means to gauge how, what, or why a book sold for a particular amount. That was fun. (thumbs u -J.

Lastest GPA recorded sale on April 12, 2015 - $1200 - is a new high. This book is slowly creeping up. That's a pretty good size bump over the last sale. I wonder if JSC's obsession with the character has anything to do with it. -J. Not sure. To be honest, I long thought that this book was an undervalued key and it looks like the market is now correcting (or overcorrecting - there are a lot of copies out there) towards that. I would say right now it is more due to premature movie speculation than anything else. That being said, once the Black Cat is confirmed for a Spidey or other Marvel movie this book will run up fast. Spidey fanboys + Marvel fanboys + Movie hype = big win! +1 I also notice that the book is "rare" in a 9.8 as a percentage of all submissions on the census (something like only a 9.6% pull through). Guess that black front cover is pretty unforgiving. -J.

Except you still cannot know for sure, even then, what is happening at other booths, or whether or not a certain buyer paid more or less for a copy for what particular reason, or whether or not you as a dealer were willing to accept less on a particular book because you perhaps had a slower than expected day, or you were holding out for top dollar on a book because it was your last copy and that issue turned out to be hotter than usual at the convention. You just don't know. GPA is a good, sterile, unbiased tool that tells us a lot. Many sales do happen within a very close time frame to one another, and across multiple venues. That is why I made it a point to mention the "pq" on the labels of books that sold both before and after the books in question where applicable. All the sales do not need to happen at the same time at the same place for the data to be relevant. If that were the case then any and all comps for anything would be completely useless. Attempting to discount or minimize that data might give the impression that one is viewing the issue a bit myopically. -J.

always is an absolute, and very likely impossible to confirm... but usually I believe is a reasonable assertion to make, based on actual sales that allow a comparison to be made ... what you seem to be missing intentionally or unintentionally is that : 1)gpa captures only a fraction of sales data, and is typically NOT retail sales but wholesale sales (that what auction houses typically are used for) 2)gpa data are not comparable sales...ie, they don't happen at the same time, in the same venue and under the same market conditions.... so NO conclusion can realistically be drawn from that portion of public data concerning pq, because there is no detail as to "why" one book sold for what it did, relative to others... 3)convention and store sellers will tell you pq does matter, and folks like me can back it up with real world examples , under the SAME market conditions (that's key, of course) so from that usable data, I can state with some certainty that PQ does affect both price and desirability when the environment for comparable sales affords itself I understand what you're saying about GPA. No, all sales do not happen at one time and at the same place. That is why the standard that you are attempting to hold my analysis to is unrealistic. And if your only criteria is "in a perfect world with all things being equal (other than 'pq'), proximate, and concurrent" then you are also holding your own analysis to an unrealistic standard because that will almost never happen either. The reality is in the middle, but the standard of proof for your position is much higher than mine. There seems to be a bit of cognitive dissonance here, because the reality is that "pq" on the label does not "always" affect price. You can't prove that it does and I have proven that it doesn't. It does not even "usually" affect price. At best, it "sometimes" affects price. But then that means that it also "sometimes" does not. Which basically renders it meaningless as a litmus. -J.

The 'hard data' you refer to is as soft as a baby's behind. The majority of sales of major Marvel SA keys occur without being reported to GPA. Those reported to GPA don't provide information on upgrade potential or chipping. But go ahead and knock yourself out disagreeing with one of the hobby's dealers with vast experience in pricing and selling SA Marvel megakeys. gpa not only doesn't include or detail upgrade potential and chipping, but eye appeal, venue of sale, time of sale, number of copies for sale at that time, purchasers intention, etc, etc... that's why gpa data can't be used to make a determination about pq affects on price ,either way... only real world, side by side sales can... I provided a perfect example of this from 2 days ago....but I have dozens and dozens of sales examples that support the fact that pq does affect price in most every instance... in a convention or store setting, where the majority of variables being equal (time, venue, price, etc), the higher pq almost always sells first, and sells for more... "fact" if you will, at least for me and probably every other major seller... So what does it mean, then if the very next day after the convention somebody pops a copy from comicmylars on ebay with "cr/ow" on the label that beats any book you sold in grade the day before ? I posit that it means nothing at all either way. -J.

The 'hard data' you refer to is as soft as a baby's behind. The majority of sales of major Marvel SA keys occur without being reported to GPA. Those reported to GPA don't provide information on upgrade potential, chipping, staining or writing. But go ahead and knock yourself out disagreeing with one of the hobby's dealers with vast experience in pricing and selling SA Marvel megakeys. Or with the well known and highly experienced dealer who priced and sold my unchipped midgrade copies of AF15 (ow/w) and Hulk 1 (w) for prices that crushed the recorded GPA highs. There are also plenty of dealers who DO report to GPA, and I'm confident that we have more than enough of a sample size to get a good idea of what's going on. The backroom deals that occur outside of public view are the ones that should probably be taken with a grain of salt. And how do you know there aren't other unreported sales that didn't also "crush GPA" with different "pq's" on the label ? You don't. Therein lies the problem. Congrats on your strong sales though. -J.

Actually J, I believe just the opposite... I have had same graded copies and sold the one with better pq for a higher price in almost every instance...while restrictive and limited data, that is data that supports better pq will sell for more..."proof" if you will... in fact, Sat at megacon, I had 2 cgc 5.5 Flash 105...one with cr/ow, one with ow...they visually appeared almost identical... the ow copy sold for $100 more (and sold first)... again, "proof"... the customer even said "for $100 more, I will take the nicer pq" and hard data (such as census), doesn't support that it is "pq" that is responsible for price...just the opposite, the data doesn't say one way or another what drove the price for that particular copy to be the highest (there are too many variables)...so, it is not quantifiable or applicable, where as real world, side by side, same time sales are Apart from the fact that the "pq" on the label is completely arbitrary and flip flops around on re-subs to the point of utter meaninglessness, the examples you are stating from the field qualify as anecdotal. And unless you poll every buyer you simply can and will never know what caused them to make their final buying decision. If the hypothesis is "Books with 'better pq' on the label ALWAYS sell for more", then the conclusion is an easy and obvious "no", based on publicly available sales data. If the hypothesis is then changed to "Books with 'better pq' on the label USUALLY sell for more". Then the conclusion is still "no" based on publicly available sales data. If the hypothesis is changed yet again to "Books with 'better pq' on the label SOMETIMES sell for more", then the conclusion becomes meaningless since sometimes it does and then sometimes it doesn't. Which brings us back to the only reasonable over arching conclusion to be (when using the scientific method) that the "pq" on the label does not affect prices. I hope you're not needlessly under-cutting the pricing on some of your own books Gator. -J.

Lastest GPA recorded sale on April 12, 2015 - $1200 - is a new high. This book is slowly creeping up. That's a pretty good size bump over the last sale. I wonder if JSC's obsession with the character has anything to do with it. -J.

Is this predominately at shows ? I haven't seen the "PQ" on the label affect prices either way in the mid to lower grades at auction or on ebay BIN's. MC yes, but even now that seems to matter less as overall inventory has dwindled. -J. Pq, in my experience, is a minor to moderate differential, even among lower grades. Not so much 2.0 and below but definitely in 4.0 A quick perusal of GPA reveals that you are correct with regard to 4.0, though even there the books with "cream to off white pages" on the label are spot on with the 12 month GPA average for all sales. Overall, I would say that it is difficult, if not impossible to know if some or any of the price differences are related to marvel chipping and/or the "PQ" on the label, or just the normal market forces of the book heating up again and the timing of the various copies coming to market. For Example: -In a 1.5 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label has the current GPA high;. -In a 1.8 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label has the current GPA high; -In a 2.0 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label is 2nd highest, sandwiched in between two books (1st and 3rd highest) with "ow/w" on the label; -In a 2.5 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label has the current GPA high; -In a 3.0 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label is the 2nd highest, and tied with 4 other books with all manner of "PQ" on the label, up to and including "ow/w"; -In a 3.5 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label is 2nd highest, sandwiched in between two books (1st and 3rd highest) with "ow" on the label; -In a 4.5 TWO books with "cream to off white pages" on the label have the current GPA highs. After that the sales get too sparse and sporadic to do an adequate analysis. But the trend is clear....there is no trend. Books with "cream to off white pages" on the label in every grade between 1.0 and 4.5 (with the exception of 4.0, though, again, those books are still in line with GPA 12 month averages) are either the current GPA highs (in four of seven of the grades), or 2nd highest (positioned between books with "ow" and "ow/w" on the label in the 1st and 3rd highest sales spots). No "discounts" or "premiums" either way can be observed from this data IMO. -J. no idea what gpa highs are, but I sold a 4.5 ow/w, no mc for 17995... as for what pq copies are setting gpa highs, my guess is it is some are likely the most recent sold copy....so, again, not sure it is pq so much as it is demand for "any" copy at this point where supply seems restricted relative to demand... I think if you have 4.0's (or any grade really), side by side that are visually comparable, one with cr/ow and one with ow/w, my guess is 100% of folks would choose the ow/w if priced the same, and some % would pay a slight premium for the ow/w over the cr/ow...that is the real "tale tell" I also believe eye appeal to be a bigger factor than pq....so, again, the cr/ow copies might have great eye appeal compared to an ow/w copy all chipped up...so J, your data may not tell us anything without some qualifiers there really is only logic that makes sense...the nicer looking book combined with nicer pages should and probably "is" worth more and will retail for more... really that simple Rick don't try he won't budge on it. You're right. I won't. And for the reason Rick said: there are too many qualifiers involved for it to be provable. Sure, you put two books side by side somebody takes the one that says "ow" on the label first. Does that mean that book is "worth" more than the other? No it doesn't. Because now supply has been cut in half, with equal demand, except there is only one copy now, and it happens to have "cr/ow" on the label. So do you now reduce your price, charge the same, or charge more because it's your last copy ? I think the answer to that is obvious. Folks can believe whatever they want and have their own personal preferences, but the hard data is indisputable. The "PQ" on the label just does not affect the price. It is impossible to prove that it does, and extremely easy to prove that it does not (as to the aforementioned grade ranges). -J.