Jaydogrules

It's ironic that the irony of that point is lost on you. ( They're the ones that started running around demanding "proof" and "documentation" from people.) -J.

No. Sorry. -J.

"That one time I got that 1:300 Jim Lee variant years ago". Anecdote. You don't know what I know. But I know more than you think Gower. You'll just have to trust me on that. How about "all retailers getting the same books"? That's false Gower. Are you claiming that ALL retailers get invited to ALL presentations? If you are, provide documentation. Are you claiming "hundreds" of retailers go to each presentation ? If you are, i want documentation. If you are not (and if you are, you're lying), then you proved my point about not all retailers all getting the same books, or in quantity, despite the the fact that you pretended to disprove it. How about that one time a select few retailers were invited to a brunch and only they got a handful of a couple of special variants? Also, quit conflating/trying to blur the lines between RRP and/or Diamond summit variants with ratio variants. We all know those (special summit variants) are given out at those events, that's not what's being discussed here. Hey Gower, how about that time you personally agreed and confirmed that diamond orders are rounded up to the nearest case packs ? Will you continue to deny your own past statements or should I link that for everybody to see again ? Hey Gower, I also want some documentation that publishers continue to deliberately mass produce books far over actual orders received. I want to see a formal public announcement where one has stated this as official practice and policy. Thousands of variants are produced a year, so several dozen showing up once every two or three years in a diamond over stock burn off isn't "proof" of that. That is, in fact consistent with the ~3%-5% over print for damages plus courtesy copies, rounded up to the nearest case pack. Sometimes there are no or few damage returns. Sometimes courtesy copies go unclaimed. Sometimes you only have a few books taken out of an entire case pack. THESE are the rational, honest and reasonable explanations for why there are sometimes extra copies to be circulated. Not your cockamamie, variant hating conspiracy theories ("OMG publishers love to flush money down the drain by deliberately over printing all their books by the HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS!") that have been worn out and debunked since at least 2015. It's almost like Don Quixote and Chicken Little had a kid that liked to beat dead horses lol. -J.

I wouldn't mind having one but will certainly wait 3-6 months, as my first concern and question is, "how rare is it really"? With 40 copies on Ebay in open and closed listings in just a couple weeks, and that is not including the many copies that are undoubtedly being fast tracked through CGC, my initial thought is "not very". As it stands there are already more than or nearly as many of these raw on Ebay alone as we speak than there are variants that are proven rare (like UXM 510 sketch, BP 1 sketch and ASM 667) graded on the census after 8+ years. -J.

Okay that was funny. -J.

This info is at best, anecdotal. And I am also familiar with these events. No, not every retailer receives courtesy copies of books. No, not every retailer receives courtesy copies of the same books. No, most of the courtesy books retailers receive are not retailer incentive variants. No, what ones are, are not handed out in mass quantities of several hundreds. No, you do not know whether or not the books that are handed out, were already designated set asides for the event. No, this does not mean that publishers regularly over print books that no one has ordered, just for sake of doing so (they may however do so to hand out as special thank yous at giveaways such as these however, see above). No, none of this prevents anyone from reasonably estimating print runs based on comichron sales figures. If you think it does, that is your opinion, and you already stated it ad infinitum. Try to enjoy your Sunday. -J.

But how much more than shazam and Hobbs and Shaw has it made ? -J.

....So then you have no documentation of this ? -J.

That's not what I asked you to provide documentation of. -J.

You first. -J.

Yes, remaindered case packs. We've already covered this. -J.

Beautiful. -J.

That is not a retailer incentive, so your example is moot. -J.

Wrong. For 666, the issue right before 667 (duh!), Marvel ran off runs as little as 500 copies for the special retailer covers that shops were allowed to order. And again, Marvel does not arbitrarily print off cases of books that no one ordered "as a matter of course". Try again. -J.

I'm a big boy and I anticipated the response. There's nothing that goes on here that hurts my feelings or ruins my day. And frankly, even if I did post it, these same people and their sock puppet accounts would either say it was fake or that I forged it, so what's the point. But even had I not seen the invoice, after 8+ years and still only ~40 unique copies on the census, my original estimate of ~200 copies based on public data, would have still held up. -J.

I'm not a diamond account holder. But there are other people on here who are, other than this guy (or at least they claim to be). The individual who provided me the info saw the original ASM 667 thread, saw some of the things that were being said and decided to investigate for himself. My own investigations were limited to public record. He reached out to some contacts at diamond and got the info. Since this info is not supposed to be public (as we are constantly being told by certain boardies through their multiple sock puppet accounts), I was asked not to publicize it, lest it be traced back to either him, or his source. I gave my word, and I will keep it until/unless he says I can post it myself or he posts it himself. -J.

They are also still an active participant on these boards. If he felt comfortable releasing it publicly here I have no doubt he would have by now. But if he could get the info, that means others can too. But instead they choose to whine instead. -J.

Because as I explained, the physical info was provided in confidence, by a well connected diamond account holder, though all it did was confirm what was thought to have been the case with regards to the book's numbers. -J.

$15k for a raw ? FYI, that book was only a one case pack run of ~225 copies, many of which were damaged. -J.

What was the grade of it? -J.

Oh look the other sock puppet account just got dusted off. I can complete my bingo card now. -J.

How's this... (click the arrow on the top right) -J.

Cool thank you ! -J.

I don't know how to link directly there, but it was posted on March 29. -J.

You don't have to look too far to figure out whose sock puppet account (one of a few) that is. -J.