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There is a slight premium for the run of the mill pedigrees. There's a couple auctions Ive been watching where they seem to command 10-25%. The FP 1 Twin Cities 9.8 commanded a premium to the 9.8 that sold on connect. $1675 vs $1400 roughly. The Dr Strange 172 BG pedigree in the comiclink summer feature has already set the all time high for the book with 7 days left in the auction. They do add some value. How much is up for debate. In these two cases the pedigree copy is also the highest graded, which probably makes it the most desirable. Not all of them add value. It exists for some, but for all intents and purposes, it's been replaced by the slab, outside of the "famous" Peds. You are an intelligent man. If the pedigree commands a premium in these two examples, it certainly doesn't detract from the marketability of a scarce, yet heralded, Bronze Age book that was auctioned as a second highest graded copy. That $879 sale of the 100 Page #5 is an embarrassment. You are about to witness several books surpass the Danielle Steele novel, as IM 55 very clearly already has. Once again, there is no defense here. There is enough data to show this is an easy easy easy easy call yet you continue to defend the #5. Let it go, man. If you want romance study French, drink wine, watch Eat Pray Love and read poetry. A better case could be made for the ASM 129, which surprisingly is showing some recent strength due to the first appearance of the Jackal. Take it up with Overstreet. No need for flattery. You cannot make an argument based on 4 sales in 10 years, no matter how you wish to try. Take care. 2 sales in 3 years. Pedigree copies. I can make a pretty good argument. If you don't want to hear it then you should not have said it belongs on the list. This book is the Four Color #9 of the Bronze Age There are nationwide traveling comic book dealers, right here on this board, that have sold more copies of that book raw than GPA will ever have to show. Why don't you ask them what they've seen? If I want to know what the REAL value of a book is, I would rather ask someone who actually sells the books for a living and has seen multiple copies of it over the years, than rely solely on something like GPA, that takes a SMALL percentage of sales (specific auctions), from a SMALL percentage of type books (3rd party graded). That is correct, good sir, but you and I both sell some books as well. Topnotch never said it was in his top 10 list, just that it was worth $900 in 9.2. I bet we could come up with 4-5 books off that list which either one of us could sell for more than that. That's all I'm looking for here. There's no way this is one of the top 10 books of the Bronze Age. Xvideos has done to the DC #100 Page Spectacular #5 what the Disney Channel has done to Four Color #9.

There is a slight premium for the run of the mill pedigrees. There's a couple auctions Ive been watching where they seem to command 10-25%. The FP 1 Twin Cities 9.8 commanded a premium to the 9.8 that sold on connect. $1675 vs $1400 roughly. The Dr Strange 172 BG pedigree in the comiclink summer feature has already set the all time high for the book with 7 days left in the auction. They do add some value. How much is up for debate. In these two cases the pedigree copy is also the highest graded, which probably makes it the most desirable. Not all of them add value. It exists for some, but for all intents and purposes, it's been replaced by the slab, outside of the "famous" Peds. How has CGC taken the place of pedigrees? And what are the pedigrees that fall outside your "famous" criteria? See explanation in a post above. So the slab replaced the function of the pedigree? So the history of the pedigree becomes irrelevant? What world do you live in? Umm...that'd be the real world. RMA's dead-on here. CGC has _vastly_ reduced the appeal of pedigrees, as we now have a credible 3rd-party grading system that can tell you whether a normal, non-pedigree book is of a higher grade (and, via GPA, more valuable) than lesser-graded pedigree books. _Many_ collectors want the best-available copies, and would take a non-pedigree 9.8 over a pedigree 9.4 or 9.6. Further, all pedigrees are not created equal, and only a few (probably ~1/3) still carry significant premiums (Church, Allentown, White Mountain among them). I've even heard as much, in person, from CGC reps themselves -- Twin Cities books? Yes - but Savannah, or even Crippen? Not so much. Even Gaines File Copies have normalized somewhat, with higher-graded non-Pedigree copies of some books going for more than the lesser-pedigree counterparts. There's a premium on the pedigrees, Gatsby. RMA is right, CGC levels the playing field, however, one of the weaker pedigrees will still outperform an identical book in grade and pq. Not by the Chuck Rowzanski 200-300%, but by 10-30%. In the case of the DC 100 Page 5 I wouldn't expect a 9.2 to outperform the Savannah copies. I believe based on recent comps and the long term downtrend the #5 in 9.2 could potentially breach $750 at auction. Even if you use the average pedigree sale price of $1000 there's still a couple of books that fetch more than that whom don't appear on the list. I know some of you guys are romantics, but you cannot hide from the truth. The truth will always prosper.

There is a slight premium for the run of the mill pedigrees. There's a couple auctions Ive been watching where they seem to command 10-25%. The FP 1 Twin Cities 9.8 commanded a premium to the 9.8 that sold on connect. $1675 vs $1400 roughly. The Dr Strange 172 BG pedigree in the comiclink summer feature has already set the all time high for the book with 7 days left in the auction. They do add some value. How much is up for debate. In these two cases the pedigree copy is also the highest graded, which probably makes it the most desirable. Not all of them add value. It exists for some, but for all intents and purposes, it's been replaced by the slab, outside of the "famous" Peds. You are an intelligent man. If the pedigree commands a premium in these two examples, it certainly doesn't detract from the marketability of a scarce, yet heralded, Bronze Age book that was auctioned as a second highest graded copy. That $879 sale of the 100 Page #5 is an embarrassment. You are about to witness several books surpass the Danielle Steele novel, as IM 55 very clearly already has. Once again, there is no defense here. There is enough data to show this is an easy easy easy easy call yet you continue to defend the #5. Let it go, man. If you want romance study French, drink wine, watch Eat Pray Love and read poetry. A better case could be made for the ASM 129, which surprisingly is showing some recent strength due to the first appearance of the Jackal. Take it up with Overstreet. No need for flattery. You cannot make an argument based on 4 sales in 10 years, no matter how you wish to try. Take care. 2 sales in 3 years. Pedigree copies. I can make a pretty good argument. If you don't want to hear it then you should not have said it belongs on the list. This book is the Four Color #9 of the Bronze Age

There is a slight premium for the run of the mill pedigrees. There's a couple auctions Ive been watching where they seem to command 10-25%. The FP 1 Twin Cities 9.8 commanded a premium to the 9.8 that sold on connect. $1675 vs $1400 roughly. The Dr Strange 172 BG pedigree in the comiclink summer feature has already set the all time high for the book with 7 days left in the auction. They do add some value. How much is up for debate. In these two cases the pedigree copy is also the highest graded, which probably makes it the most desirable. Not all of them add value. It exists for some, but for all intents and purposes, it's been replaced by the slab, outside of the "famous" Peds. You are an intelligent man. If the pedigree commands a premium in these two examples, it certainly doesn't detract from the marketability of a scarce, yet heralded, Bronze Age book that was auctioned as a second highest graded copy. That $879 sale of the 100 Page #5 is an embarrassment. You are about to witness several books surpass the Danielle Steele novel, as IM 55 very clearly already has. Once again, there is no defense here. There is enough data to show this is an easy easy easy easy call yet you continue to defend the #5. Let it go, man. If you want romance study French, drink wine, watch Eat Pray Love and read poetry. A better case could be made for the ASM 129, which surprisingly is showing some recent strength due to the first appearance of the Jackal.

There is a slight premium for the run of the mill pedigrees. There's a couple auctions Ive been watching where they seem to command 10-25%. The FP 1 Twin Cities 9.8 commanded a premium to the 9.8 that sold on connect. $1675 vs $1400 roughly. The Dr Strange 172 BG pedigree in the comiclink summer feature has already set the all time high for the book with 7 days left in the auction. They do add some value. How much is up for debate. In these two cases the pedigree copy is also the highest graded, which probably makes it the most desirable. Off topic. If anyone is really into pedigrees there's a gorgeous picture of the Allentown Cap #1 on the Tec 27 9.2 thread in CG. You read that right gang. In case you didn't hear a Tec 27 just graded 9.2. Nobody is coughing up the provenance but there's speculation it's the missing 8.0 that was upgraded. It is not the Allentown Tec 27.

Your inexperience with using GPA doesn't validate your point. Hint: click the grade. No. There are many, MANY dealers who do not slab books at ALL. And there are many dealers who "play the grades", by keeping books raw that could go one way or another, hoping that the customer thinks they'll go the other. Again...CGC has slabbed over 2 million comic books. That number represents less than half the print run (and, likely extant copies) of Adventures of Superman #500 alone. I didn't think to click on the pedigree 9.2 so I guess that means my argument is invalid. It turned twice in 2011 for an average price of $1000. Keep in mind this is a pedigree copy of a scarce, slabbed book that is trending down from its prices roughly 8-10 years ago. I mentioned 4 books kept off the list that I believe would command a higher auction price than a universal 100 Page #5. I've heard talk about how this is the most key of all the 100 Pagers. Why? Does the protagonist get one base further than Archie ever did with Veronica? I guess I was hoping to be enlightened as to why this book is in the top 10 versus put downs and the ol' "most comics sell as raws" argument. Yawn. Not sure if that's a real game changer. The one fact you seem to avoid, is why the IM 55 is left off when it trades 25% higher than pedigree copies of the 100 Page #5? You are up to bat, strawman.

Batman 227 belongs in the conversation as well.

Now you've done it,you're poking the bear. Oakman-Who has a 9.4 and 9.2 IH 181 still thinks Cerebus is a cooler book. Iron Man 55 & Marvel Preview 7 both more valuable than the 100 Page 5. No emotion at play here, but with the data we have available both these books are more expensive in 9.2. In the case of IM 55 it isn't really all that close. ASM 121 is also gaining rapid momentum as is the Marvel Preview 4. That last pedigree sale of the 100 Pager is the proverbial nail in the coffin. I don't care about the 9.4's because they are the highest graded copies. To quote the bear himself that isn't comparing apples to apples. An 8.5 copy of this book recently tanked at $335, but I'm not concerned about that either. I know this book is a dog from a speculative prospective. There is a direct correlation between hits on xvideos and the price decline of 100 Page #5. No reasonable person can argue otherwise! MP #7 isn't involved in this discussion, as it had much less worth in 2013. We're not talking about current data. We're talking about a list that covers 2013. Why did you ignore the $1135 sale from earlier in 2011, but included the "last sale" at $876? Do we just pick and choose from information available to suit our arguments....? And...AGAIN...as has been said over and over and over again, slabbed comics sales are only one avenue that Overstreet uses to gather data and compile information. Let's not make the same poorly reasoned arguments as the others, huh? You have a point with the MP 7 and the list being from 2013. I guess this means you are conceding the MP 7 is clearly the more valuable book right here right now? As for the $1100 sale I simply don't see it. GPA shows the sale of the Savannah pedigree, but the only prior sale was from back in 2006. Even if you averaged the two sales the end result would still fall short of IM 55. And for raw 9.2 sales, don't you think that dealers would press and sub copies that high in an effort to attain highest graded? The gap between 9.2 & 9.4 is substantial.

Good info. Right now it's close to a dead heat. If two 9.2's OWW copies went head to head on ebay, the 181 would be a 1:2 favorite on a 10 day auction. On link or connect, Id give the edge to Cerebus 1 and 181 would be a 6:5 dog. All just my opinions as a fan of both books, comics in general and handicapping.

The old books went in grade swings just like they do today. You had over graded books and under graded books (and well graded books). Again, I don't want to start a rumor but this is a really, really sharp looking 8.0 Did you post those large pics yet? I agree. That is as nice of an early GA 8.0 as Ive seen. There is certainly upside potential.

Now you've done it,you're poking the bear. Oakman-Who has a 9.4 and 9.2 IH 181 still thinks Cerebus is a cooler book. Iron Man 55 & Marvel Preview 7 both more valuable than the 100 Page 5. No emotion at play here, but with the data we have available both these books are more expensive in 9.2. In the case of IM 55 it isn't really all that close. ASM 121 is also gaining rapid momentum as is the Marvel Preview 4. That last pedigree sale of the 100 Pager is the proverbial nail in the coffin. I don't care about the 9.4's because they are the highest graded copies. To quote the bear himself that isn't comparing apples to apples. An 8.5 copy of this book recently tanked at $335, but I'm not concerned about that either. I know this book is a dog from a speculative prospective. There is a direct correlation between hits on xvideos and the price decline of 100 Page #5. No reasonable person can argue otherwise!

Right, except in 9.2 or higher. Mr. Nathanson and Mr. Reynolds would happily advance you $1000 upon receipt of the Cerebus #1 in 9.2, making liquidity a non-issue.

Oh boy. I can't wait to hear this. Please elaborate, good sir. Last GPA sale in 9.2 was a pedigree copy below $900. As you even mentioned yourself there are a couple of books that trade higher in lower grade that are off the list. If you feel up to it I'd love to hear your logic.

They really have to get the DC 100 Pager off that list. It's ruining Overstreet's credibility. That book has been irrelevant since the emergence of the xvideos.

Do you really think any movie with "The Rock" cast is going to do well? Take a gander at his past movies,epic fails every one. The Rock rocks. He was good in Hercules. I prefer his work as the leader of the Nation of Domination.

That's a pretty good list. Batman and Supes kinda 1A & 1B though. Or maybe I'm just afraid of commitment.

Timing and venue mean so much when it comes to selling comics. There's volatility on both books. It's the classic scarcity vs popularity argument. It's like debating whether youd rather take home a model or pull off a threeway with two Asians. There are no losers.

He's not doing a very good job unless he owns a 9.0 or better. That 7.5 on comiclink is stinkin it up. $550 is the best offer in 3 months, and that was even a reluctant, bottom-feeder offer from yours truly. It looks like that copy is even signed by Sims.

I've got two 8.0ish copies priced at $75-$80, which I thought left a little room for growth. There's a BIN listed at $50 that might hit 9.0 with a press. If I wasn't already holding my two Id be tempted to snatch it up. All yours if you'd like it, guys.

That is an awful lot for that comic. Sparkle City moves lots of books though.

Can you throw up a few panels of Kav's work? I've heard good things but have not had the pleasure.

Would've gladly added them, ...but I didn't wanna push my luck! Schomburg... LB Cole... Sorry, I don't have any Steranko scanned. Great covers, bud. Schomburg's work is so detailed. It's as if every cover and panel is the Sistine Chapel. You can tell it wasn't just work for him. He was conscientious of the fact he was creating art.

I respect your opinion, good sir. Kirby, if nothing else, is steady and consistent. He was the most prolific penciller of the Silver Age, and his work helped build the foundation of the Marvel universe as we know it. He seemed to rise to the occasion, saving his best work for some of Marvel's most key issues. When Stan Lee needed a big cover he knew who he could count on. Fantastic Four #5 and Avengers #1 come to mind. Avengers #4, Fantastic Four #48, and JIM #89 ain't bad either. He has some brilliant pre-hero covers as well. Bottom line, we all have our preferences. There is no right or wrong answer, but it's hard to imagine things could have worked out any better if those early SA Marvel books were drawn by anyone other than the King himself.

No LB Cole, Alex Schomburg or Jim Steranko? Lots of good ones, but Kirby and Adams in a class by themselves IMHO.

Three turtles related books on the list is overkill. And even raw copies of nm 98, asm 300 and ba 12 sell for more than a couple hundred dollars each. They are far more influential books than almost anything else on that list as well. This CA list does seem a bit of a throwaway list to Overstreet. -J. Yep. The BA #12 sells for >$200 in 7.0-8.0 raw. Not sure how that's left out in 9.2, unless they consider that a modern vs copper age.