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Past few days I’ve been binging Werewolf by Night interspersed with WWBN Reaction vids.

Just a passing thought. On my several-ist rewatching I realized the opening narration referred to "this is where monsters dwell". Not sure how I missed that BUT it must have been added intentionally. For those who may not know, Where Monsters Dwell was a 38 issue horror revival title from Marvel from 1970-1975. I wonder if this could be a hook into future type one-shots?

While Hammer and Universal seemed to be in cahoots, that did not happen until 1958. Hammer had released Frankenstein and Dracula films with tremendous hedging, manuevering and legal wrangling to avoid being sued by Universal. After the 1958 Dracula was a worldwide hit, Universal and Hammer came to an agreement and Universal opened their vault of classic monsters to Hammer. Interestingly, one thing I always noticed about the Universal and Hammer werewolves was the fangs - always prominent on the LOWER jaw: aka an underbite. Even as a kid I was fascinated with this werewolf underbite. The current WWBN gives the werewolf an overbite instead. Does that bother me? Not really. It just looks a bit odd to my Uni/Hammer eye. But I still love the beast!

Not a cover but the most infamous baseball story in comic history! Haunt of Fear #19 "Foul Play". https://cacb.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/ec-comics-foul-play/

I guess Marvel has abandoned The Hulk, Wong, Titania, Abomination, Daredevil, and any other guest hero/villain for simply being on the show. And Man-Thing in WWBN must have been a failure before it started by being preceded by that Lionsgate entry. You know, people praised the heck out of Wanda Vision but to me that was a mess and a half. The best thing about it were some of the Easter eggs. And The Scarlet Witch is one of my favorite Marvel characters. The Jen character can be taken seriously if she appears next in a serious role. Or she could simply continue as an iteration of Sensational She-Hulk, breaking fourth walls and being herself. Deadpool seems to be doing ok for himself. Precisely HOW connected do these MCUs have to be? When you look at the endings of the later Avengers films they were a jumble of character after character after character which actually got rather boring. Are we slaves to some "canon" which has been retconned hundreds of times across hundreds of characters and events? What happens with the next retcon? Will THAT destroy the MCU? I do not get how a series of 10 25-or-less minute "tv episodes" can have such a final and fatal impact on her in the MCU. The idea is preposterous. I thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Very well said. I feel the same about Blazing Saddles as well, but have not yet reached your level of appreciationfor that ending. I agree with much of what you say about fandom, too. I know I have gotten some negative emojis to my comments but I fear that is partly my fault. I never mentioned I have been a long-time fan of the Sensational She-Hulk comics. They were pretty unique in the way they were so self-aware of being a comic book. The scene of Ep 10, where she breaks through the Disney+ streaming screen has actually been done in Sensational more than once where she tears through the comic panel. She has also torn through a page to get at John Byrne (aka K.E.V.I.N) over a bad plot. These things were being done in the comic 30+ years ago. She was carrying Byrne on her shoulder on the cover of 31. These scenarios were the norm for Sensational She-Hulk and it made it one of my favorite series. So now you have a better idea of where I'm coming from and why I enjoy the show so much. They pretty much nailed the comic. Here is a panel from #31 where Jen is talking to Weezy. It could have been lifted from the tv show itself rather than a 30 year old comic. Following are other panels showing her breaking through the comic (similar to ep10), confronting Byrne (K.E.V.I.N) etc. (There are a slew of examples like the ones below but a few should suffice.) Note that last panel was preceded by 4 blank pages when she took on The Eraser.

Now my favorite episode of one of the cleverest Marvel entries. Very creative. I really do not get many of the critiques. And people complaining about bad CGI when it was obvious it was SUPPOSED to be bad CGI? A fantastic way to end the season. And a really fun end credit scene.

Adding a bit more here, especially after seeing some comments. I feel Elsa was one of the highlights of the show. Absolutely loved her attitude and delivery, combining bravado with a slight titch of vulnerability. And tremendous fighting chops! I'll watch and listen to her all day long. As far as Jack's werewolf appearance, I found it rather reminiscent of Henry Hull's portrayal in the Universal 1935 Werewolf of London, as opposed to Universal's 1941 The Wolf Man with Chaney. Here is that 1935Universal werewolf:

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Me too. Top of my priority is not having my books downgraded by finger bends and creases that happened at CGC itself. I am also not a fan of having to deslab a book because the way it was put in the case the entire bottom was a series of ripples. (In case folks are wondering I have already documented them on these boards and sent the S/Ns to Mike a while back. Never heard back about them but I honestly am afraid of submitting any more books right now.)

I was thinking ASM 238!

I can't see that getting any kind of Blue label (Universal or Conserved.) You did not mention color touch or inpainting. I assume there is also some CT?

Felt the same about not really digging into Jack or the WWBN mythos. But still tremendous fun, great b&w (LOVE b&w) with a German Expressionist feel reflecting, too, the old Universal Monster films with the impressive sets, moody lighting and shooting angles. Quite a surprise that got my old heart beating. I cannot add any more to what has already been said about Man-Thing. Now THAT was quite a surprising and remarkably effective rendition. Ted came across perfectly in b&w. Loved the humor between Jack and Ted as well. My only regret being it is a one-shot. Hopefully the critical and audience response will encourage a follow-up.

Again, let me make this clear. I am not debating the use of silver over the centuries to ward off evil. Siodmak did extensive research into folklore before writing The Wolf Man. I'm sure he came across references to silver vs evil. BUT until The Wolf Man, the werewolf had no particular vulnerability and could be killed by the same means as killing a person. Could a silver bullet kill a werewolf? Sure. So could a lead bullet. A steel knife. A wood baseball bat. Siodmak introduced the lore that only silver can kill a werewolf. As I cited above, Maleva the old woman said to Larry "A werewolf can only be killed by a silver bullet, or a silver knife or a stick with a silver handle." That level of specificity simple did not exist before then and its influence can be felt in almost every werewolf film since then.

I said Siodmak introduced the concept of silver to kill a werewolf. Before Siodmak, werewolves have always been vulnerable to any ordinary weapon. A lead bullet. A steel knife. Etc. No silver needed. With Siodmak silver was required, and not just a bullet but any silver weapon. As the old woman Maleva said in the movie "A werewolf can only be killed by a silver bullet, or a silver knife or a stick with a silver handle." This simply did not exist before Siodmak's screenplay. The Wolf Man in the 1941 film was killed by being beaten with the now legendary walking stick with a silver wolf head handle.

Just an intriguing tidbit for those into "panelogical history". As many of us, especially PCH fans, know, Al Feldstein and Bill Gaines and others in the EC "Bullpen" used to brainstorm stories for EC Comics. During that time a couple of Ray Bradbury stories "unconsciously" made their way into the mix and Feldstein merged the two into a single story ("Home to Stay") in Weird Fantasy #13. Author Ray Bradbury saw this and sent a very polite letter to Gaines thanking him for using his story and reminding him he had forgotten to send Bradbury a check for using his story. Gaines paid and this began a very successful relationship between EC and Bradbury. No fool, Gaines would boldly announce an issue with a Bradbury story, billing him as either "America's Top Horror Writer!" or "America's Top Science Fiction Writer!" Fast forward twenty or so years to Marvel Spotlight #2, introducing Jack Russel as the Werewolf By Night. On page thee of this book is a poem with the attribution "Old Folk Poem": Even a man who's pure in heart, And says his prayers at night, May become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms, And the moon is full and bright. ... Old Folk Poem In actuality the poem was written by Curt Siodmak when he wrote the screenplay to Universal's 1941 movie The Wolf Man movie. There the poem originally ended with "And the Autumn Moon is Bright". For subsequent Universal Monster films which Siodmak wrote the screenplays for such as Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man or House of Frankenstein, Siodmak changed the poem's last line to "And the moon is Full and Bright". Siodmak also created the concepts of silver to kill a werewolf and the werewolf's aversion to the plant wolfsbane. Prior to Siodmak's screenplay neither existed in Werewolf Lore. (You can see in Universal's first werewolf movie, the 1935 Werewolf of London, the werewolf was killed by an ordinary bullet). I think it would have been fascinating had Siodmak written to Stan Lee and mentioned attributing his work to an "Old Folk Poem"! Just a fun factoid in the midst of the current WWBN showing.

I shall watch this tonight with headphones and my graded 8.0 copy of Spotlight 2 next to me. Psyched. Werewolves are my favorite monsters.

Uh-huh. Dang I was not thinking of your posts or including you in the unrecognizable boardies. Some of our opinions differ and some align. That makes for conversation. Being involved in film for a few years (was an AP, wrote for a film magazine and was sometimes consulted by writers of film books) your contributions to the board’s Movie/TV threads are invaluable. As far as my using misogynist, I was looking for an antonym to feminist and that was the one that came up. Felt it was too negative but better than chauvinist. Still dislike it but made me realize a true antonym does not exist, I guess because it is the norm already. It is interesting to see similar kinds of backlash in the Cap Marvel thread, probably because so many “men” were offended by Brie and it became contagious. One disturbing thing for me is I am getting increasingly bored with the MCU after Phase 1. Some have been good and some disappointing and I STILL cannot get past the halfway mark of BLACK WIDOW, despite loving her in the Avengers movies (yes I am capable of disliking female led comic book films/shows. Could not get into the current Ms Marvel show. Kept getting CW flashbacks. Could not get into that Hawkeye series despite my really enjoying THE EDGE OF SEVENTEEN. For years I have been posting they should do a Doc Strange film and I thought the first was a mess despite being a Doc fan and the second far superior. Deadpool 2 was kind of ‘meh’ for me in comparison to 1, which I rank in my top five favorites. For me She-Hulk is just a real joy to watch. It is funny, dialogue is snappy, love Jen’s 4th Wall breaks. IS it sometimes over the top or in your face with a message? Yeah, but at least for me it gives me something to think about. People obviously have different tastes. It is a sad thing when that results in conflict.

Just FTR I enjoyed Ep 8. Loved the way Matt was portrayed and the dynamic with Jen/She-Hulk. Leapfrog was a bit weak as he was treated similarly to Donnie Blaze in Ep 4. Have to take a wait-see on the whole Intelligensia arc. It tends to bore me and is being used in pretty obvious ways. Have to wonder if Hulk V2#15 and #16 will feel an impact.

Much of this has a truly bizarre and telling take. To paraphrase cause the quote function sucketh here: "Men don't want a garden tool to have their children." I guess men just want to have relations with a garden tool. How tooled up is that? Men are the arbiter on what is and is not? Well historically that has been so for ages and look at the state of our world now. "The show was written by feminist writers." What the hell is a.feminist writer? Stepford Wives with a shared programmed perspective? That has to be one of the most revealingly uninformed statements. And how about the misogynistic writers? I guess they are either ok or non existent because they are men. All the blather about a woman having frequent relations with various men. These posts literally make me feel like I am back in ancient times where a garden tool could be stoned to death. I am having a difficult time even recognizing some boardies here. And for other boardies my respect has dramatically increased. Not that my respect really means anything. But these have been among the most blatantly revealing posts where the male dominated society continues to be taken not only for granted but for a standard that must be adhered to. It literally makes me feel slightly ill to be a member of a group with a common interest such as comic books and read how unenlightened and even hateful many are.

I need one for my brain!

Just got my Deadman, Furys and Ms Marvel. At Scott's suggestion leaving feedback here. Got the books today. Great packing. Books themselves quite stunning with beautiful PQ! Super clean. Looking forward to more!

This She-Hulk episode was right back on track. Really fun storyline and characters. It really DOES have that 2001 THE TICK feel. An excellent entry in the series. Tim Roth always brings it!

That has a kind of later seasons GAME OF THRONES feel.