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In case you're not back from the trip get these connecting covers!

On 3/19/2018 at 11:22 PM, comicquant said:

Looks like SCS to me (Shaken Comic Syndrome).  If the comic has movement within the holder and gets jolted it very easily could've folded up on the inner well corner.  You're probably right about trying to sell the book.  If it were me I would send this to CFP comics (cfpcomics.com) ( @joeypost - board member who owns/operates ) and have him prescreen the book for a 9.8 resub.  If he thinks it has a chance he'll work on it (press/clean) but if not he'll send it back to you.  PM him and he'll walk you through the details.  I hope this helps.   

I'd love to know what happened here? That was the op's only post & he hasn't visited the site since the day after. If the book was moving it's almost a certainty it was SCS. A moving book would be a great reason for a return.

5 hours ago, amazingspiderfan said:

My long rambling point being, ASM is stronger then ever, and some issues the die hard ASM collector's all know they had better overspend or lose out. And stock up on those known issues. If I had to suggest an issue for you to invest in I would go after that 2 and 11.  

 

Curious what effect if any do you think the latest ASM Harry Osborne red goblin storyline will have on notable silver bronze goblin issues? 

1 hour ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

If and when I get one I promise to post it here.  

The mega-key I really want is JIM #83.  The one that part of me (but only part) feels I should be chasing before it gets even further out of hand is FF #1.  But ASM #1 is definitely in the mix as well.

 

 

If I had that kind of disposable dough I'd have an epic (Ali Frazier style) inner struggle between IH 181/ASM 129 9.8 combination along with 9.6 ASM 14 vs a single high grade ASM 1!

1 hour ago, comicquant said:

Look at @Sweet Lou 14 registry and you’ll see he’s more likely to get a 9.0 asm 1 than an 8.0!  And I’m not talking about the GRR!

Woah that sounds like some heavy artillery! If it's unrestored I'll fall off my freaken chair!!!

I would guess ASM 796 to 800. Normally I don't ever give a thought to buying anything modern age but these F. Mattina variant connecting covers are tempting! 

On 3/29/2018 at 12:43 AM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

This is the grade I'm targeting ... someday soon I hope.

I'm pretty sure you mean the GRR & not the original unless you plan on dishing out 30k at some point?

12 hours ago, amazingspiderfan said:

How many 9.4's/9.6's have you seen sell of 28? I would wager that you have seen many more 14's sell in that grade.  And 9.4 14's are rising , last copy sold for $15k."Key" yes...Rare no. #14 is the most overvalued ASM imho. When it hits 20k , 28 will be 25k. High grade early ASM'S are never priced justly, are they? 

 

 

Lou if you are looking for current price points I think these are fair

9.0 $2000

9.2 $4500

Prettttty big jump going upward from here. And as JimJum stated , be cautious about an over graded 9.4. I would look out for an under graded 9.2 

 

ASM like many titles has a few issues that you can throw the guide out on, 28 is one of them. Along with 2,4,11,13,20,31...........I think you get my point  

Okay so if I'm not mistaken you believe a 28 9.4 would be worth paying 20-22k. I would definitely disagree! Comic collecting is very subjective however and to each their own. 

Personally I would value a first green goblin over a first molten by a mile! Granted there are 12 more (unrestored) 9.4 14's than 28's but census #'s are just one factor in my view. Demand and popularity of the character would be other factors. The last 28 9.4 (white pages) sold for 7450 four years ago. That was it's highest ever GPA price. I would see 20k as grossly overpriced. I may agree with you on 13 being one of those to throw out the guide on but not 28.

Now if we're talking about 9.6's that's a different story since there's only (7) 28s in 9.6. in that case census would weigh heavier. But again I'd always value a 13 or 14 way over a 28 in all grades. That's my on it

1 hour ago, mattn792 said:

All of my books get delivered to the office. A couple weeks ago FedEx told me that FCOBB signed for my 9.0 Hulk 181 around 6:15 pm.  No FCOBB exists at my office, and my supervisor was still there at the time.  No book in sight.

While I was writing criminal complaints in my head and deciding who to sue, FedEx told me it was a mistake and my book would be delivered the next day.  Luckily it was.

Its scary to think what carrier incompetence could potentially cost one of us.

I once saw the FedEx guy dropping my delivery box as he was walking down the steps of the truck. It wasn't a book or marked fragile but damn... still gives me the heebie-jeebies!

1 minute ago, greggy said:

Only one.  Pretty well only book I was disappointed in with respect to the grade. 

Definitely a surprise but I bet that DD soothed any disappointment there!

@greggy I was waiting for this one! I could have sworn it was a 9.6 or a 9.8 from the raw scan. Was this your only one or did you have more copies? Congrats on the DD 131! 

Bump 

4 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I'm just going to summarize what everybody else has already stated in the hope that you fully understand. The damage is quite clearly from SCS, damage that happened inside the slab, after the fact. It was not graded with this flaw. It probably happened during shipping. If the books was already a 9.6 and it now has this tear, I think you will very likely get a lower grade if resubmitted as oppossed to a 9.8 . This book will never get a 9.8 with a tear. If pressed, it is possible the book will remain a 9.6 but again, it will never get a 9.8 . I am sorry this happened to you. If you just got it, return it. There was a fairly recent post about a Hulk 181 with an identical situation. I hope you did not buy the same book.I think he bought it from Metropolis and they agreed to accept a return.

Appreciate the feedback. No this is not the Metropolis book. I got a clearer picture of it now thanks

On 3/28/2018 at 4:59 PM, shadroch said:

Except for a few indies, most newsstand comics prior to the mid 1990s don't bring much of a premium over the DM versions, if any. 

High grade ASM 300?

USPS is not exactly known for their smooth efficiency! 

Probably half of my packages get sent to the wrong post office from the sorting facility. I wouldn't be surprised if I have a similar incident one day. Couple of months ago I had to return a slabbed book with them & it took over 3 weeks to get there. The package looked like it was run over a few times but luckily I packed it securely enough that it wasn't damaged.

23 minutes ago, joeypost said:

A tear can be improved, not removed. Will the damage look better..yes. Was the damage there before the book was graded initially...probably not. So even if it was pressed there is no guarantee of a grade bump. If a tear was added due to SCS, the possibility of a downgrade exists. A detailed evaluation of the whole book would be needed in order to ascertain if it is worth a CPR. 

 

Objective enough for you?

Excuse my ignorance but what is SCS? How could it possibly have happened after encapsulation (if that's what you meant)? It's not moving in the slab. I don't want to show the book because I don't want it to affect anyone's view. The corners are sharp with no wear at all. Spine has no ticks or marks at all & edges are flat. Staples look good. Colors bright, no matting or anything else on back cover. Just the defect I'm pointing out. I have a number of 9.4s and they all clearly have more wear than this.

Thanks for the feedback!

This is slightly over a quarter inch in length on top edge. I'm not sure what to call it but It looks like a slight bend. I've included the pictures from top, bottom, side & direct angles.The bottom angle looks like it has a small tear but it's so small I can't be sure that it is even with a magnifying glass. The book is a 9.6. The rest of it looks fine other than what I'm pointing out. Wondering if this is what's keeping it from a 9.8? Unfortunately there are no grader's notes

I included a wider image as the last one to show how small the defect is.

I'm going to send this out for a press & clean then for grading. 

14 hours ago, SECollector said:

I would suggest to wait until one comes up to an auction and go for it in its real market value. Yes, its a tough book in high grades because of the black cover, but is really a black cover worth THAT much money when you can purchase so many other big keys for that? In my opinion no, but then again there may probably be others out there that would think so.

Yeah if you're prepared to spend that kind of money you can find a #129 9.8 for much less. Heck even an IH 181 9.8 for somewhere between 20 - 28k

3 hours ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

So ... can we talk about Amazing Spider-Man #28?

I've never owned a copy and it's sitting on my want list.  In theory, I'm trying to put together a run that would include 9.4 copies of all issues from #16 up, and when I first set about doing this I glanced at GPA and saw $7,450 as the amount of the last sale.  Sure, that last sale was in 2014, but I figured that couldn't be too far off from where the market is today, given that the Molten Man isn't a top-tier villain in Spidey's rogues gallery.

Over the past year I hadn't seen any 9.4 copies surface online, but then a dealer I trust put one up at the whopping asking price of $22,000.  More recently, another highly respected dealer listed one for $20,000.  I have no idea if this book has ever actually sold anywhere in this ballpark, but these are very knowledgeable guys who wouldn't be pricing the book like this if they didn't believe in their prices.

And yet, the fact remains that $20,000+ for a 9.4 would (I think -- someone correct me if I'm wrong) make #28 the most valuable issue in the entire ASM run, with the obvious exception of #1 and possibly #2.  I don't believe any of the other big keys (#3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 31, 50 ...) come anywhere close to $20,000 for a 9.4.  And while this book is scarce in high grade (15 in 9.4 and 7 in 9.6), other books in the run are even more scarce.

So my first reaction is, I'd better start looking for 9.0 copies of this book because I can't justify paying that kind of money for this issue.  (By which I don't mean to question the validity of the price ... I simply mean that I can think of lots better ways to spend $20,000 on a real key.)

And my second reaction is, we all know that GPA data is incomplete but this seems like a potentially egregious example.  I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any recent sales of high-grade copies of ASM #28 (9.0+) that would help paint a picture of where the market is on this book and how that may have changed in recent years.

Is issue #28 really the second- or third-most valuable book in the entire ASM run?

#3 sold highest for 17.5k in '04 & #4 for ~ 29k in 2015 but it was an outlier per GPA 

That price is a joke for a 28. It's wildly off base In my view! If #14 isn't anywhere near that then there's no justification for a 28 being 20k. I'd just sit tight & keep my powder dry. I had given up on searching for that #55 until out of the blue it popped up for auction. I found it while searching for something else. 

Maybe attempting to reach out to these sellers for a price adjustment? Otherwise patience is probably the answer

20 minutes ago, comicquant said:

Shooooooo mama!!!  One of my favorite romita covers!  Outstanding copy!

Thanx. That 50 9.4 you posted is a masterpiece! Carson, McMahon and David Brinkley appearances LoL!

On 3/23/2018 at 9:45 AM, FlyingDonut said:

I staggeringly overpaid for this, but whatever. Good to know that I will hold the GPA record for this issue forever . Down to 19.

Don't be so sure about "forever". All it takes is 1 auction. I was just involved in a staggering bidding war for a high grade low census book. It wasn't even as low census as your FF. I prevailed but my wallet is on life support. It hasn't sold in years in it's grade but I'm still bewildered at that final number! It ended up around 4x the highest GPA including pedigrees. 

If someone wants it bad enough they'll surpass your number