I just got royally screwed by Silver Acre Comics!

[nearmint]

I was a little surprised to find that Darryl had replied to my email, I didn't think he'd bother. He basically said why should I believe Jeff over him and also sent a copy of the post he made in gold section. He didn't address CK59's OA deal gone awry, which I had mentioned in the email.

Anyway, I advised him to respond to the post Jeff made with the whole communication over the deal, between them which shows with no doubt in my mind that a deal was reached between them.

Maybe he's cut and pasting the same email to everyone and that's why he didn't address the specifics of your email. I'll be surprised if he posts again, but if he does, it'll be interesting to hear what he has to say.

[gaz973]

There were two emails actually. The first one was directly to me and the second one was a copy of his post on the boards which I assume everybody who emailed got.

I'll be suprised if he posts again too but then again I didn't think he'd post at all.

[szelim]

So we have Silver Age scamming people and Silver Acre screwing people.

 

Memo to file: avoid vendors with Silver in their names.

 

[nearmint]

So we have Silver Age scamming people and Silver Acre screwing people.

 

Memo to file: avoid vendors with Silver in their names.

Unless it's board member Silver, who is a most awesome dude.

[Aces]

So we have Silver Age scamming people and Silver Acre screwing people.

 

Memo to file: avoid vendors with Silver in their names.

But people with a name starting with A are A-OK!

[THE_BEYONDER]

Silver Acre response from the GA section:

 

Wow Jeff! Unreal! I've been dealing for over 25 years selling hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of stock every year and one posted letter from you and these guys believe you. I never really look at or read comic forums, too busy in the warehouse and any time i'm not working I like to spend the time with my family. This is actually the first time ever I have posted on a site ever ,and to be honest with you I have heard they existed but had never looked at one before. I came in this morning to have received multiple emails about this item and your letter, some from long term customers and one from a good friend of mine who said I should reply so here I am. The facts as I see it are: you requested scans of the book, approximately ten days ago and so did another potential buyer. I actually sent the scans out on the same day. You both came back and started to haggle over the price. The haggle was over a few days. Your actual offer came back first, the person who purchased the actual comic came back 8 hours after yours. I did tell you that there had been other interest and also I always sell on a first come first served basis, I have to because alot of times people promise more than they can actually afford and I had never known or dealt with you before. You said that you had to wait for money to come in and in the meantime the other guy paid and made good. As soon as his payment arrived I informed you and feel I have been totally transparent in this deal and your email, may I say very well written and appears to be going for the honest collector whose had his heart broken and been totally messed around by this wicked dealer, this is simply sour grapes over your disappointment in relation to not getting an item you wanted. Anyway there are always two sides to a story and they nearly always sound different when another person tells them.

 

Darryl

Silveracre, Chester, England.

 

This part really gets under my skin:

 

this is simply sour grapes over your disappointment in relation to not getting an item you wanted.

 

What a '

[arexcrooke]

So we have Silver Age scamming people and Silver Acre screwing people.

 

Memo to file: avoid vendors with Silver in their names.

But people with a name starting with A are A-OK!

I agree :thumbsup:

[herc2000]

I had a rare poster I sold a few years back. I made a deal with a person to sell it for £50, someone else wanted it, I told them I had sold it already (they had not paid though) for £50, they said "I will give you £100 and I will pay you straight away." I replied, "I'm sorry, I have to make good of this, but you can offer them £100, they might flip it." So I gave them the persons email to try there luck, a day or so later they paid the £50, not sure if they flipped it or not.

 

If he offered it to you now nearmint, I hope you would not take it. You'll get another one, you have waited this long, patience is a virtue ;-)

[sterlingcomics]

patience is a virue ;-)

 

Cue in Golden Consignment...

[Ares]

Buy from me!

They way you wont have to send your money so far to get crewed over by an unethical seller..

 

 

Support North American unethical sellers

[kidcolt]

I get PO when my LCS sells my modern pull list comics from my box but a Batman #1.....yikes!!

 

I agree with you, the moment you agreed on a price then comic should be off the market. If the regular customer wanted the comic he should have been emailing you. Due to your post on here I am sure it will cost him more then the extra he made off the sale. Its obvious from the correspondence that a deal/agreement was reached between both parties.

[PokerKid]

I get PO when my LCS sells my modern pull list comics from my box but a Batman #1.....yikes!!

 

I agree with you, the moment you agreed on a price then comic should be off the market. If the regular customer wanted the comic he should have been emailing you. Due to your post on here I am sure it will cost him more then the extra he made off the sale. Its obvious from the correspondence that a deal/agreement was reached between both parties.

But guys at the LCS who rip off people for small amounts will rip them off for big if they get an opportunity. Years ago, I had pre-ordered the Dark Knight as I had done with many books. When I came to pick it up, the hype had already caused it to sell out before hitting shelves. The dealer pulled all the books, including pre-orders, which ended up being priced at $25 less than two weeks later. Years later, the same dealer takes $5,000 in cash and $15k or so in toys in a business partnership with my dad, who of course never gets anything in return. At the San Diego con I find more people mentioning how this guy manages to take advantage of everyone. He has had at least three LCSs close up on him, but his practices don't change. It's like the crooked mechanics: They rip you off and make more money on a repair, but in the long run they go out of business. The honest ones can stay around for ever. A dishonest dealer just can't be as successful in the long run, and with a deal this public, it will have a very real effect on Darryl's bottom line for a very long time to come.

[herc2000]

I bought some Cap 25's from buldog collectibles, always seemed a nice guy, anyway, I hit the checkout on his site and the order went through, thought no more of it. About a few days later Cap 25 was selling for big bucks, I and some other people I know got emails from him saying that if we wanted them now they would be a extra $10 or $15 extra each (was a while back cant remember exact figures) I remember a few people being angry about that and refusing to deal with him again, a short while after that biz went down and one of the people who was not happy at what happened bought him out!

[Silveracre-migration]

Deve,

 

I appreciate what you are saying is basically true but you are not telling the whole story, you asked me to cancel the auction and I agreed. It had been listed once on eBay before and never sold so I thought why not. Save myself the fees. You also said you would pay by bank transfer so brilliant, job done. Within a few hours of receiving your email I agreed and emailed you my bank details saying as soon as the payment is sent let us know and I will cancel the auction. You then came back and said you were going on holiday and could not pay until the 6th September, I rarely cancel auctions, the only reason that I agreed to cancel this one was because the page had only been listed for a day or so, there were no bids and it had been listed before and hadn't sold. But to cancel an auction for someone I had never dealt with before and wanted to pay me in a months time was a big no no so I said contact me when you get back off holiday and if I still have the page we can do the deal then. Without going back and checking the exact wording of the emails I think you then offered to pay me by credit card or Paypal which is not the same as a bank transfer because I lose 4% fees. So I said if you want to pay by Paypal i'd want more money, I don't feel there is anything wrong with that. The emailing backwards and forwards between us ran from Monday to Thursday. By this time you did not want to pay the additional money which I have your emails confirming and another two people had emailed me and showed an interest so I don't feel it is unethical then to say to the three people: the first person to come up with £1200 gets the page. I gave you first refusal and you declined before I got a chance to go to the other interested people I got a bid on the auction so decided to let it run. The bank details were sent to you on the 4th August, if you had made payment you would have got the book for the original asking price. I have also copied in below a reply I sent to another member in relation to this.

 

Due to time restrictions I will not be responding to comments on either subject again.

 

Regards,

Darryl

 

Wow it really is a week for having a dig at Darryl. I probably don't blame you if you don't believe me, on the first guy Jeff it's as I wrote it, on the guy from France he sent me an email and asked me to cancel the auction. The email was about 3 and a half inches long, if you get as many email as I get you just tend to scan through. The book had been listed on eBay before and hadn't sold so when he made me an offer for the full asking price and said he would pay by bank transfer so I would not incur the fees I said yes great and I forwarded him my bank details to make payment. The next day I emailed him to confirm payment had been sent as I wanted to make sure he wasn't wasting my time before I cancelled the auction. He then said he had to go into a bank and couldn't do that until he came back off holiday on September 6th I think. Well this was a big no way! I didn't want to wait a month so he said he could pay by card, the problem is that's 4% charge and I said to him if he can't pay now by bank transfer i'd want £1200 to cancel the auction as the page had cost me £1000. I then said as a good will gesture after a bit of haggling I think the final price was about £1075 so at least if I took a card I would cover my card fees and still get a straight grand plus. All this talking took the best part of four days and then someone else bid on it so it was never going to happen. Anyway I give up on replying on the forum as it just gives people more meat to chew on. I haven't had time to check his first email to confirm he did say the 4th September, obviously there was no point of me agreeing to it and then the next day chasing him for payment. Anyway you decide.

 

Regards,

Darryl

 

[bronze_rules]

[Subliminal]

Wow it really is a week for having a dig at Darryl

 

Don't worry Darryl because at the rate your off customers they will all be leaving you alone soon and the only Spidey's seen in your shop will be the ones spinning cobwebs in your rarely opened front entrance.

 

 

[whomerjay]

Jeez it's deja vu all over again. Has anyone ever seen Darryl and bluechip at the same time?

 

Why even bother addressing cryptkeeper when your issue with nearmint has buried you?

[Rainet]

I like his comment on time restrictions. For what? Time restricted to dealing with your customers and future buyers? He's ruining this huge chance to set things right and salvage whatever repuation he has insted of driving around the issue. I personally never bought from him but my brother has. And needless to say, never again will he or nor i will.

[Sal]

Deve,

 

I appreciate what you are saying is basically true but you are not telling the whole story, you asked me to cancel the auction and I agreed. It had been listed once on eBay before and never sold so I thought why not. Save myself the fees. You also said you would pay by bank transfer so brilliant, job done. Within a few hours of receiving your email I agreed and emailed you my bank details saying as soon as the payment is sent let us know and I will cancel the auction. You then came back and said you were going on holiday and could not pay until the 6th September, I rarely cancel auctions, the only reason that I agreed to cancel this one was because the page had only been listed for a day or so, there were no bids and it had been listed before and hadn't sold. But to cancel an auction for someone I had never dealt with before and wanted to pay me in a months time was a big no no so I said contact me when you get back off holiday and if I still have the page we can do the deal then. Without going back and checking the exact wording of the emails I think you then offered to pay me by credit card or Paypal which is not the same as a bank transfer because I lose 4% fees. So I said if you want to pay by Paypal i'd want more money, I don't feel there is anything wrong with that. The emailing backwards and forwards between us ran from Monday to Thursday. By this time you did not want to pay the additional money which I have your emails confirming and another two people had emailed me and showed an interest so I don't feel it is unethical then to say to the three people: the first person to come up with £1200 gets the page. I gave you first refusal and you declined before I got a chance to go to the other interested people I got a bid on the auction so decided to let it run. The bank details were sent to you on the 4th August, if you had made payment you would have got the book for the original asking price. I have also copied in below a reply I sent to another member in relation to this.

 

Due to time restrictions I will not be responding to comments on either subject again.

 

Regards,

Darryl

 

Wow it really is a week for having a dig at Darryl. I probably don't blame you if you don't believe me, on the first guy Jeff it's as I wrote it, on the guy from France he sent me an email and asked me to cancel the auction. The email was about 3 and a half inches long, if you get as many email as I get you just tend to scan through. The book had been listed on eBay before and hadn't sold so when he made me an offer for the full asking price and said he would pay by bank transfer so I would not incur the fees I said yes great and I forwarded him my bank details to make payment. The next day I emailed him to confirm payment had been sent as I wanted to make sure he wasn't wasting my time before I cancelled the auction. He then said he had to go into a bank and couldn't do that until he came back off holiday on September 6th I think. Well this was a big no way! I didn't want to wait a month so he said he could pay by card, the problem is that's 4% charge and I said to him if he can't pay now by bank transfer i'd want £1200 to cancel the auction as the page had cost me £1000. I then said as a good will gesture after a bit of haggling I think the final price was about £1075 so at least if I took a card I would cover my card fees and still get a straight grand plus. All this talking took the best part of four days and then someone else bid on it so it was never going to happen. Anyway I give up on replying on the forum as it just gives people more meat to chew on. I haven't had time to check his first email to confirm he did say the 4th September, obviously there was no point of me agreeing to it and then the next day chasing him for payment. Anyway you decide.

 

Regards,

Darryl

 

I just wanted to save this for posterity's sake. Looking forward to the rebuttal, as there are things in there which don't make sense.

 

[Sal]

cryptkeeper59 is being a bit too kind in his explanation .. I was with him all the way and I know what went down, basically Silver Acre lied to him throughout the whole deal trying to squeeze as much money out of him as possible.

 

I saw Silveracre had a piece of art for sale on eBay and alerted Deve as I knew he was looking for that kind of piece.

Piece had been up for a few days with a starting price of £995 and no bids.

Trouble was that Darryl didn't want paypal over a certain amount because this would eat into his profit.

cryptkeeper59 contacted Darryl to ask about alternative payment questions and they agreed that the page would be sold off-ebay for £1000, but Darryl didn't pull the ebay auction

When cryptkeeper59 asked him to do so he asked for a downpayment (which I understand). This time he was willing to accept paypal (just for the downpayment)

Before the downpayment ever went through Darryl sent out another email telling cryptkeeper59 that the price of their deal had just gone up as he had "two other interested parties". All of a sudden paypal was good and cryptkeeper59 had a small window to quickly pay £1200 (nearly $400 more than what they agreed upon) or he would offer the page to the "other customers". There still were no bids on ebay and the auction had less than 24 hours to go.

cryptkeeper59 decided NOT to bend over and declined, but did send Darryl an email telling him how unethical he was going back on a deal and asking 20% more.

 

Strangely enough the two other parties that were so interested and offered more must have changed their minds as well, because after cryptkeeper59 declined, the auction still kept running on eBay for another 20 hours or so.

In the end it did get a bid and sold for £1050 or something.

 

I'm staying far, far away from Silveracre and their throw-ethics-out-of-the-window-for-the-sake-of-a-lousy-buck way of doing business

 

Sorry to hear the same happened to you Jeff

 

Please read this and see if there's any way in h-e-double-hockey-sticks you can make it jibe with what Darryl just wrote, because I sure as hell can't.

 

And for the record, I would trust a Chromium post over a deposition from Darryl