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[Silverdream]

My understanding is that the bagged packs where excess comics and are the 2nd printings. They should all have black spidey on front cover.

 

Just realize that the black spidey is not rule of thumb since issues 23-68 have black spidey as first prints since while that period all comics had black spidey.

 

What everyone must realize here is that the black costume Spiderman did not exist Prior to May 1984. Starting at issue 23 of G.I. Joe ( May 1984 ) the white webbed Spidey head was replaced with the black Spidey head for 1st printings.

 

What this means is all 2nd printings of G.I. Joe prior to issue 23 that have the Black spiderman head were printed AFTER ( timeframe wise ) the first printing of issue 23, which is why they have the black spiderman head.

 

All G.I. Joe issues numbered 22 and under with a black spiderman head are 2nd printings. They have to be, because it didnt exist before that.

 

Not true, GI Joe 21 is a 3rd print.

 

You completely ignored what I was saying so you could say " not true"

 

I am 100% correct. yes true. Any book prior to issue 23, with a black spiderman face is a reprint, a 2nd or later printing that was produced after issue 23. Maybe I should have made sure to put in " 2nd OR LATER printing " But I would hope you could figure that out from the context of what I was saying. I was saying any book prior to issue 23 with a black spiderman face is not a first print copy of Gi Joe.

 

On a side note, lets talk about that Gi Joe 21 3rd print.

 

Has anyone ever found a 2nd print copy of 21? I thought there was a concensus in the Joe community that it doesnt exist. If that is the case, the only logical conclusion would be that it was mislabled as a third print, and is actually a 2nd printing, which would then ... technically... make me correct without any clarification.

[Theskunk33-migration]

On a side note, lets talk about that Gi Joe 21 3rd print.

 

Has anyone ever found a 2nd print copy of 21? I thought there was a concensus in the Joe community that it doesnt exist. If that is the case, the only logical conclusion would be that it was mislabled as a third print, and is actually a 2nd printing, which would then ... technically... make me correct without any clarification.

 

There was a discussion here a few months ago about the #21 second print- the consensus was that it doesn't exist, at least not a printed issue with "second print" on the indicia.

Of all the collectors here, like silent master who has essentially every GI Joe ever printed, no one has apparently even seen one.

 

So it looks like there is none, but the confusion as to why it's printed as a third print is unclear.

 

It is interesting that I have recently seen a rare 3-pack of #21,22,23 showing up on EBay. The #21 cover looks the same, but I wonder if this is somehow the "second print"?

[maloney414]

It is interesting that I have recently seen a rare 3-pack of #21,22,23 showing up on EBay. The #21 cover looks the same, but I wonder if this is somehow the "second print"?

 

 

You can find out for $162.00. eBay link

[Silverdream]

On a side note, lets talk about that Gi Joe 21 3rd print.

 

Has anyone ever found a 2nd print copy of 21? I thought there was a concensus in the Joe community that it doesnt exist. If that is the case, the only logical conclusion would be that it was mislabled as a third print, and is actually a 2nd printing, which would then ... technically... make me correct without any clarification.

 

There was a discussion here a few months ago about the #21 second print- the consensus was that it doesn't exist, at least not a printed issue with "second print" on the indicia.

Of all the collectors here, like silent master who has essentially every GI Joe ever printed, no one has apparently even seen one.

 

So it looks like there is none, but the confusion as to why it's printed as a third print is unclear.

 

It is interesting that I have recently seen a rare 3-pack of #21,22,23 showing up on EBay. The #21 cover looks the same, but I wonder if this is somehow the "second print"?

 

I would have to assume that someone would have found a loose copy of those 3-pack 21's by now, whether they knew it was from a 3-pack or not, and we would know by now if it was listed as a 2nd printing or not in the indicia.

 

With that said:

 

If there is a second printing of G.I. Joe 21, It is not listed in the indicia, and there are no differences in the printing, and it has a white spiderman face. Also, if there is a second printing it would have to have been printed BEFORE issue 23 ( within 45 days of the release of the 1st printing of 21 ). Otherwise it would have a black spiderman face in the UPC as well.

 

There are only two options here. 1.) Marvel did indeed print a 2nd print of 21, and did not include it in the indicia, whether on purpose or accidentally, and it would have had to have been a nearly immediate reprint. 2.) There was no 3rd print, and the printer accidentally marked the 2nd print as 3rd.

 

Both options are possible, option 2 is the most probable.

 

You would think with all these avid Joe collectors someone would have noticed something different in the covers of the white spiderman UPC copies if some of them were printed at differrent times. ( color, tone, font, staples, paper, cut...something )

 

Edited March 17, 2014 by Silverdream

[whisp]

My understanding is that the bagged packs where excess comics and are the 2nd printings. They should all have black spidey on front cover.

 

Just realize that the black spidey is not rule of thumb since issues 23-68 have black spidey as first prints since while that period all comics had black spidey.

 

What everyone must realize here is that the black costume Spiderman did not exist Prior to May 1984. Starting at issue 23 of G.I. Joe ( May 1984 ) the white webbed Spidey head was replaced with the black Spidey head for 1st printings.

 

What this means is all 2nd printings of G.I. Joe prior to issue 23 that have the Black spiderman head were printed AFTER ( timeframe wise ) the first printing of issue 23, which is why they have the black spiderman head.

 

All G.I. Joe issues numbered 22 and under with a black spiderman head are 2nd printings. They have to be, because it didnt exist before that.

 

Basically what I said.

[whisp]

On a side note, lets talk about that Gi Joe 21 3rd print.

 

Has anyone ever found a 2nd print copy of 21? I thought there was a concensus in the Joe community that it doesnt exist. If that is the case, the only logical conclusion would be that it was mislabled as a third print, and is actually a 2nd printing, which would then ... technically... make me correct without any clarification.

 

There was a discussion here a few months ago about the #21 second print- the consensus was that it doesn't exist, at least not a printed issue with "second print" on the indicia.

Of all the collectors here, like silent master who has essentially every GI Joe ever printed, no one has apparently even seen one.

 

So it looks like there is none, but the confusion as to why it's printed as a third print is unclear.

 

It is interesting that I have recently seen a rare 3-pack of #21,22,23 showing up on EBay. The #21 cover looks the same, but I wonder if this is somehow the "second print"?

 

I would have to assume that someone would have found a loose copy of those 3-pack 21's by now, whether they knew it was from a 3-pack or not, and we would know by now if it was listed as a 2nd printing or not in the indicia.

 

With that said:

 

If there is a second printing of G.I. Joe 21, It is not listed in the indicia, and there are no differences in the printing, and it has a white spiderman face. Also, if there is a second printing it would have to have been printed BEFORE issue 23 ( within 45 days of the release of the 1st printing of 21 ). Otherwise it would have a black spiderman face in the UPC as well.

 

There are only two options here. 1.) Marvel did indeed print a 2nd print of 21, and did not include it in the indicia, whether on purpose or accidentally, and it would have had to have been a nearly immediate reprint. 2.) There was no 3rd print, and the printer accidentally marked the 2nd print as 3rd.

 

Both options are possible, option 2 is the most probable.

 

You would think with all these avid Joe collectors someone would have noticed something different in the covers of the white spiderman UPC copies if some of them were printed at differrent times. ( color, tone, font, staples, paper, cut...something )

 

Doubt their would be any difference in staples, and paper. Also the cut wouldn't matter either. As for colour I don't think that would matter either since I can show 3 copies of some books that all have different shades that are all the same book (special missions #1 for example). While the process of mixing inks they may have ran out of a colour and such and made a new batch while the process. See this happen all the time with toys as well.

[whisp]

I would think a second printing and a reprint are two different things.

 

For example since we are talking about GI Joe # 2 you would have white spidey/upc as first print, black spidey as second print and Tales of GI Joe #2 as the reprint. Also any of the books like marvel magazines or volume books that reprint the original stories.

 

first print

 

second print

 

Reprint

 

It's funny that I just had this conversation in another thread, here is my take.

 

Tales of G.I. Joe # 2 is a first printing..... It's a first printing of " Tales of G.I. Joe # 2 ". It has a completly different title on the cover and indicia. Yes, it re-presents material from G.I. Joe # 2, but in my world, and overstreets, and any other comic database, it's a completely different title/ book.

 

Think Marvel Tales. Marvel Tales represents Amazing spiderman in order, but they are not second printings, nor are they reprints. They are first printings of " Marvel Tales" which happens to re-present material from Amazing Spiderman, and sometimes not in their entirety.

 

In my world, a 2nd printing and a reprint mean the same thing. A second printing is a reprint of the exact book, with the same title and idicia. Some are noted, some are not. Thats why they are hard to figure out at times, because the title and Indicia are the same ( see where im going here? ) That makes us look for other differences like prices, font sizes, Upcs and ads... So we can find signs if it came from the original print run, or a.... Second print run...a reprint...

 

I think 2nd and later printings are the same thing as saying reprints and I think when the material from these books are put in other titles or collected volumes they should be considered a Re-presenting of.. I think the term reprint has been used wrong for decades.

 

Thats just my take on it, anyhow. Proceed how you wish. There is no right or wrong here, just crazy fun comic book opinions.

 

Yep people can look at it whatever way.

 

I say reprint since it was later in the 80's era regardless if it had different indica and cover title due to the story and art inside is exact same.

 

I look at print runs be it first, second or third being in the same era while reprints are usually years later.

 

For GI Joe they reprinted these stories in multiple ways being the comic magazine and the tales of which where all released in 1988. Then as of late they have done reprints of these original stories in the GI Joe toyline in their comic packs with figures. These all have the exact story and art inside just the style they where brought out be it magazine form or thicker paper stock.

 

 

 

 

[Silent Master]

Thanks! Out of all the GI Joe episodes I must have seen when I was 12, I really just remember three things:

 

1) this fabulous serpentor story arc with the raiding of the tombs of famous leaders to get all the DNA to make the perfect cobra leader - what a badazz story and so far ahead of its time

2) that knowing was half the battle

3) that zartan was kickspoon

 

I really loved the Serpentor story line in the comic. I thought the whole gathering DNA and even using Storm Shadows DNA to "freshen the stew" (I believed they called it) was a really cool idea back in the day! Of course I loved about every story line from issue 24 up to the 60's...

 

The sunbow series had some memorable moments but having everyone using laser guns use to drive me nuts!

[Silent Master]

Also GI Joe 2nd print threads give me a headache, but...

 

What about the Treasury Edition? reprint?

 

Digest sized magazines... mini tpb or reprints??

 

Foreign prints... considered reprints?

 

It's all too confusing - just give me one of each please .

 

 

[whisp]

Also GI Joe 2nd print threads give me a headache, but...

 

What about the Treasury Edition? reprint?

 

Digest sized magazines... mini tpb or reprints??

 

Foreign prints... considered reprints?

 

It's all too confusing - just give me one of each please .

 

 

Treasury I would consider reprints of original stories in a multiple book format same as trades.

 

Digests are the comic magazines I am talking about which where a later reprint of multiple stories in which also contain action force in them as well which where printed later in the era.

 

Foreign I wouldn't since they where printed while the same time just for that country.

 

Hoarder

 

Anyways its up to the collectors discretion when it come to this and I am sure people have all different opinions on it.

 

I try and get all the marvel ones personally from the 80's but focus only on Arah, special missions, and European missions.

 

30 marvel ARAH

9 europe

4 3-d

9 tales

2 mini mags

1 special #1

 

List above is how many I need to complete what I a looking for.

 

After I get those then I will worry about 2nd printings and such. Sometimes I grab action force stuff if its cheap enough but not my focus.

[Crimebuster]

So it looks like the small 75s were in the bagged packs

 

Here's the thing, I've seen both versions in the 3-pack bags. So I don't know the history of why there are two different types.

 

Great...so now I've got to start looking for 3and 5pack bags with big 75s...just to add more crazy rare items to my neurotic searching...

 

From a couple pages ago:

 

 

I've got three of these and they all have the large numbers.

[Silent Master]

So it looks like the small 75s were in the bagged packs

 

Here's the thing, I've seen both versions in the 3-pack bags. So I don't know the history of why there are two different types.

 

Great...so now I've got to start looking for 3and 5pack bags with big 75s...just to add more crazy rare items to my neurotic searching...

 

From a couple pages ago:

 

 

I've got three of these and they all have the large numbers.

 

Those are the 2nd print reprint variants! - I love this hobby!!

[Theskunk33-migration]

Definitely off topic...But...

 

I was reminded the other day while I was rereading some of the early issues as to why I was so enamored with GI Joe as a kid...

 

I grew up on Staten Island, and I can pretty much remember the first time I opened issue #1 and saw that it was set there...I was beyond excited.

When I see some of the panels now, these nonspecific backgrounds of suburban staten island, I can remember thinking that this was actually occuring on my street.

 

There is an issue, I don't recall which, set at the mall...there are backgrounds of kids running around the mall, and I was so excited to think that it could have been me.

 

I was 8-9 years old, and these issues were real... it was like it was really happening down the street....

 

Again, totally off topic, but when I read these now, I am very quickly reminded of how happy I was reading them back then...

[Shotgun Stallion-migration]

On a side note, lets talk about that Gi Joe 21 3rd print.

 

Has anyone ever found a 2nd print copy of 21? I thought there was a concensus in the Joe community that it doesnt exist. If that is the case, the only logical conclusion would be that it was mislabled as a third print, and is actually a 2nd printing, which would then ... technically... make me correct without any clarification.

 

There was a discussion here a few months ago about the #21 second print- the consensus was that it doesn't exist, at least not a printed issue with "second print" on the indicia.

Of all the collectors here, like silent master who has essentially every GI Joe ever printed, no one has apparently even seen one.

 

So it looks like there is none, but the confusion as to why it's printed as a third print is unclear.

 

It is interesting that I have recently seen a rare 3-pack of #21,22,23 showing up on EBay. The #21 cover looks the same, but I wonder if this is somehow the "second print"?

 

I would have to assume that someone would have found a loose copy of those 3-pack 21's by now, whether they knew it was from a 3-pack or not, and we would know by now if it was listed as a 2nd printing or not in the indicia.

 

With that said:

 

If there is a second printing of G.I. Joe 21, It is not listed in the indicia, and there are no differences in the printing, and it has a white spiderman face. Also, if there is a second printing it would have to have been printed BEFORE issue 23 ( within 45 days of the release of the 1st printing of 21 ). Otherwise it would have a black spiderman face in the UPC as well.

 

There are only two options here. 1.) Marvel did indeed print a 2nd print of 21, and did not include it in the indicia, whether on purpose or accidentally, and it would have had to have been a nearly immediate reprint. 2.) There was no 3rd print, and the printer accidentally marked the 2nd print as 3rd.

 

Both options are possible, option 2 is the most probable.

 

You would think with all these avid Joe collectors someone would have noticed something different in the covers of the white spiderman UPC copies if some of them were printed at differrent times. ( color, tone, font, staples, paper, cut...something )

Brand new member here. I'm so glad I've found you guys!

 

My journey to completism began when my grandmother bought me the bagged 21-22-23 set! I still have my well-worn copy of 21 and, sorry, but there's nothing different about it. I've compared it to my better copies, and it looks exactly the same as the first printing -- same exact front and back cover and indicia. And yes, even the staples and the little "roller rips" (don't know the exact term for those) at the bottoms of the interior pages all match. It's so exactly the same that there's no way to prove it even came from a 3-pack. Doing research in the past, I've had people on the yojoe forums and in comic shops tell me I was crazy and had imagined the whole 21-22-23 3-pack idea. I'm thrilled to find out they exist. Anyway, no indication of the mysterious second printing in this set.

 

Something I just thought of: when I sold my 22 and 23 a few years ago, there was no indication that they were 2nd prints (or 3rd). It looks like these 3-packs were all first prints.

 

I'll step back and lurk awhile. Sorry to jump right in, but I knew I had important info! And I finally know I'm not crazy. Maybe.

[maloney414]

On a side note, lets talk about that Gi Joe 21 3rd print.

 

Has anyone ever found a 2nd print copy of 21? I thought there was a concensus in the Joe community that it doesnt exist. If that is the case, the only logical conclusion would be that it was mislabled as a third print, and is actually a 2nd printing, which would then ... technically... make me correct without any clarification.

 

There was a discussion here a few months ago about the #21 second print- the consensus was that it doesn't exist, at least not a printed issue with "second print" on the indicia.

Of all the collectors here, like silent master who has essentially every GI Joe ever printed, no one has apparently even seen one.

 

So it looks like there is none, but the confusion as to why it's printed as a third print is unclear.

 

It is interesting that I have recently seen a rare 3-pack of #21,22,23 showing up on EBay. The #21 cover looks the same, but I wonder if this is somehow the "second print"?

 

I would have to assume that someone would have found a loose copy of those 3-pack 21's by now, whether they knew it was from a 3-pack or not, and we would know by now if it was listed as a 2nd printing or not in the indicia.

 

With that said:

 

If there is a second printing of G.I. Joe 21, It is not listed in the indicia, and there are no differences in the printing, and it has a white spiderman face. Also, if there is a second printing it would have to have been printed BEFORE issue 23 ( within 45 days of the release of the 1st printing of 21 ). Otherwise it would have a black spiderman face in the UPC as well.

 

There are only two options here. 1.) Marvel did indeed print a 2nd print of 21, and did not include it in the indicia, whether on purpose or accidentally, and it would have had to have been a nearly immediate reprint. 2.) There was no 3rd print, and the printer accidentally marked the 2nd print as 3rd.

 

Both options are possible, option 2 is the most probable.

 

You would think with all these avid Joe collectors someone would have noticed something different in the covers of the white spiderman UPC copies if some of them were printed at differrent times. ( color, tone, font, staples, paper, cut...something )

Brand new member here. I'm so glad I've found you guys!

 

My journey to completism began when my grandmother bought me the bagged 21-22-23 set! I still have my well-worn copy of 21 and, sorry, but there's nothing different about it. I've compared it to my better copies, and it looks exactly the same as the first printing -- same exact front and back cover and indicia. And yes, even the staples and the little "roller rips" (don't know the exact term for those) at the bottoms of the interior pages all match. It's so exactly the same that there's no way to prove it even came from a 3-pack. Doing research in the past, I've had people on the yojoe forums and in comic shops tell me I was crazy and had imagined the whole 21-22-23 3-pack idea. I'm thrilled to find out they exist. Anyway, no indication of the mysterious second printing in this set.

 

Something I just thought of: when I sold my 22 and 23 a few years ago, there was no indication that they were 2nd prints (or 3rd). It looks like these 3-packs were all first prints.

 

I'll step back and lurk awhile. Sorry to jump right in, but I knew I had important info! And I finally know I'm not crazy. Maybe.

 

Welcome to the boards!!! (thumbs u

 

That's great you know for sure you have a 21 that came from the 3-pack with 22 and 23.

 

I have another question for you about your copy. Another place to identify later printings is the "checklist" page. At that time Marvel listed a checklist of the other books for sale that month. Can you check that particular page to see if there are any differences?? The checklist is on the page right before the story page when Storm Shadow throws the sword at Scarlett and SE catches it.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

[Shotgun Stallion-migration]

Yes, the checklist pages are exactly the same. Even more telling is the fact that all of the subtle little differences in the pink rectangles at the tops of the pages match exactly. For instance, both issues have the same notch out of the bottom left corner of the pink rectangle on the Scarlett "hairpin" page.

[maloney414]

Thanks! (thumbs u

[OV]

Got this back from Wizard World Sac. By Michael Golden! Does anyone else have sketch covers of Joe characters?

 

[Silent Master]

Got this back from Wizard World Sac. By Michael Golden! Does anyone else have sketch covers of Joe characters?

 

 

SWEET!!! That is awesome!!!!

[Silent Master]

I have a dozen or so GI Joe sketched blank covers. Here are my latest 2:

 

 

 

Storm Shadow (by Blanks) came in a 9.6 - the Baroness (by Kurth) a 9.8