nriccijr Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Nice Lawson cover! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadH Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Thanks guys! So who is going to bid on this bad boy? Any guesses on how high it gets? Gobbledygook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamiknight3434 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Thanks guys! So who is going to bid on this bad boy? Any guesses on how high it gets? Gobbledygook I was just looking at that book. Looks real nice but I have no clue what it will go for.. Hopefully someone with more of and idea of the FMV of this book could chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadH Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I have two questions though. 1) Can CGC not grade this book(I don't know the actual size of it.) 2) How are we sure this isn't rigged? I for some reason don't trust this book being graded PGX. Color touch not being recognized and we all know it won't grade a 9.0 with CGC, if they can or could grade it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamiknight3434 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 My understanding is that cgc won't grade this book because it was never published. I could be wrong on this... As to your second question you bring very good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I have two questions though. 1) Can CGC not grade this book(I don't know the actual size of it.) 2) How are we sure this isn't rigged? I for some reason don't trust this book being graded PGX. Color touch not being recognized and we all know it won't grade a 9.0 with CGC, if they can or could grade it. It was a pleasure working with you, too. I'll be sure to keep you posted if I do any other TMNT-related signings in the future. (thumbs u As for Gobbledygook, CGC won't grade it because there's a general rule that the company won't grade books that are 100% black and white due to the fact that without color, books are much easier to counterfeit. Add in the fact that these were copied on a Xerox machine on non-glossy paper and then hand-stapled and without solid provenance, it's tough to authenticate them. As such, CGC doesn't deal with them. PGX has a bad track record. I wouldn't put it past them to take the book, slab a fake one and send it back to the owner. They were questioned a few years back for receiving a TMNT #1 1st print and sending back a slabbed 3rd print. PGX is not worth the risk on high value books. My Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadH Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 It was a pleasure working with you, too. I'll be sure to keep you posted if I do any other TMNT-related signings in the future. (thumbs u As for Gobbledygook, CGC won't grade it because there's a general rule that the company won't grade books that are 100% black and white due to the fact that without color, books are much easier to counterfeit. Add in the fact that these were copied on a Xerox machine on non-glossy paper and then hand-stapled and without solid provenance, it's tough to authenticate them. As such, CGC doesn't deal with them. PGX has a bad track record. I wouldn't put it past them to take the book, slab a fake one and send it back to the owner. They were questioned a few years back for receiving a TMNT #1 1st print and sending back a slabbed 3rd print. PGX is not worth the risk on high value books. My Thanks! I only said that about PGX because a few years back I bought a DimePress first appearance of HellBoy graded at 8.5 for higher than I should have. Later sent it in to CGC and it came back a purple label and a 7.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamiknight3434 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I guess I was wrong. Thank you Adam for the explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_TMNT Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 CGC won't grade Gobbledygook. I've asked and, even with documented provenance, they refuse to grade my two sets of raw Gobbledygooks. As far as PGX goes, I'm not a fan. I own the only other graded set of Gobbledygook #1 & Gobbledygook #2 . They were already graded when I bought them. They are both 8.0 but I can't see how in the world they got such a high grade. In my opinion they are probably closer to 5.0 or 6.0. Will be interesting to see what this goes for. Wonder why the #2 isn't also being sold...I know I've seen it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadH Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Any guesses on what it goes for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_TMNT Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Any guesses on what it goes for? No clue really. A set of ungraded #1 & #2 went for $6,500 recently which, in my opinion, was a steal. I'll say $4K when it's all said and done...assuming the seller doesn't take it down early (which seems to happen a lot with these rare books). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybuck43 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Rwhorn the only thing is, the raw 1&2 had the amazing provenance with them, the fact that they were owned by Eastman, two letters detailing the provenance, sketches, photos etc. I think this book will end closer to 3k, maybe even 2500. The PGX worries the hell out of me. Also look at all the spine ticks. That book is so over graded it isn't even funny ;( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon_Turtle Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 FWIW The copier fade I would expect to see on an authentic book appears to be there . When an original is photocopied again, that copier fade goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Eastman is doing an AMA on Reddit today. Someone ask him if he thinks the set is authentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybuck43 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ryan, the fact that its PGX doesn't make me question the authenticity. I am sure it is a legit copy. My point about the authenticity was to explain the value of the set going for 6K. I would totally pay more for a book that has a letter from Eastman explaining it was his personal copy. What worries me about PGX is missed color touch and the ridiculous overgrade, I mean look at the spine ticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadH Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ryan, the fact that its PGX doesn't make me question the authenticity. I am sure it is a legit copy. My point about the authenticity was to explain the value of the set going for 6K. I would totally pay more for a book that has a letter from Eastman explaining it was his personal copy. What worries me about PGX is missed color touch and the ridiculous overgrade, I mean look at the spine ticks Exactly, honestly if I knew 110% that this book had no restoration done at all and was a legit copy then I'd go after it. It doesn't bother me about that grade. I can look at that book in the slab and know it's about a 5.5 or 6. I'm just worried it's had restoration done or a counterfeit. What to do..what to do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I would question everything about PGX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadH Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I would question everything about PGX. Yep, it's not as much about the money as it is the authenticity of the item in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_TMNT Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Rwhorn the only thing is, the raw 1&2 had the amazing provenance with them, the fact that they were owned by Eastman, two letters detailing the provenance, sketches, photos etc. I think this book will end closer to 3k, maybe even 2500. The PGX worries the hell out of me. Also look at all the spine ticks. That book is so over graded it isn't even funny ;( Great points...and I'm with you regarding provenance as the main selling point to the other set. But these pretty much never get graded so, although it's PGX, that could be key to a potential buyer. A rare book that rarely gets graded...regardless of actual condition. Will be interesting to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadH Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Anybody know that this is? I've never seen one. Looks cool though. Independent Comic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
